Rooney not signing a new contract?

Mitch Connor

If Rooney signed for Man City, it would freaking kill me. I'd find it very hard to watch United being torn apart by the debt (in terms of the actual team suffering) and I'd find it very hard to watch the premiership in general with Rooney playing for another side.

jaykay74

rarnes1 wrote: »

Most papers reporting he's off to City :eek:



springs to mind

I guess that would be the Glazers preferred choice as it means the highest transfer fee available out there.

Personally I think even without Rooney Utd have easily the strongest first 11 and squad in the PL so there no need to reinvest any of the transfer fee received especially as theres no value these days in the transfer market. No, its better to either service the debt for another few months or else give the shareholders the dividend they richly deserve for all the inward investment they have pumped into the club. I would also recommend you all invest in Anglo.

Xavi6

jaykay74 wrote: »

I guess that would be the Glazers preferred choice as it means the highest transfer fee available out there.

Personally I think even without Rooney Utd have easily the strongest first 11 and squad in the PL so there no need to reinvest any of the transfer fee received especially as theres no value these days in the transfer market. No, its better to either service the debt for another few months or else give the shareholders the dividend they richly deserve for all the inward investment they have pumped into the club. I would also recommend you all invest in Anglo.

Chelsea and City say hello

folan

jaykay74 wrote: »

I would also recommend you all invest in Anglo.

Sarcasm, our old friend!

Mitch Connor

Xavi6 wrote: »

Chelsea and City say hello

Sarcasm is saying 'Hi' to you.

jaykay74

Xavi6 wrote: »

Chelsea and City say hello

Wut :pac:

DOC09UNAM

Wow I know it's early, but the sarcasm was practically screaming out when he mentioned anglo, and investment from the owners.

Mr Alan

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Sarcasm is saying 'Hi' to you.

I know my sarcasm, there is no way that person was being sarcastic.

Iago

Mr Alan wrote: »

If he goes it'll be the summer IMO. No ones gonna buy him in jan when he is cup tied and coming off/still on a horrendous run of form. So it'd be the summer, and I sense a fair few Utd fans would be very disappointed at the fee at that time too, one year left on his deal, tarnished reputation for marketing purposes, refusing to sign a new deal.... I think the price could be 'relatively' cheap.

With the exception of Ronaldo, every player we've sold in the Ferguson era has that attached unfortunately.

folan

Rooney has had a torrid start to the season, a very underwhelming World Cup before that, but a great season before that. its been 6 months at least since I've thought he could hold up any team single handedly.

I'm not so sure I'd like to take the risk he will come back to form. But the way SAF, MU and Rooney himself have handled this, it has some parallels with Ronaldo.

Is it a case of him being too greedy? is he holding out for more? F knows, but this could be a blessing in disguise for Utd if they can spend the money he generates.

The Rooster

jaykay74 wrote: »

I guess that would be the Glazers preferred choice as it means the highest transfer fee available out there.

Personally I think even without Rooney Utd have easily the strongest first 11 and squad in the PL so there no need to reinvest any of the transfer fee received especially as theres no value these days in the transfer market. No, its better to either service the debt for another few months or else give the shareholders the dividend they richly deserve for all the inward investment they have pumped into the club. I would also recommend you all invest in Anglo.

Very good

Ironically, I wouldnt be surprised to hear Ferguson use that exact speech - and a lot of fans will believe him!

folan

yeah, but if SAF says it, tbh i always think hes got a plan noone else sees. or knows about. or could imagine.

I hate him for that, but he can get the best out of what I see as in general, a very average bunch with a few top class players.

Iago

folan wrote: »

Rooney has had a torrid start to the season, a very underwhelming World Cup before that, but a great season before that. its been 6 months at least since I've thought he could hold up any team single handedly.

I'm not so sure I'd like to take the risk he will come back to form. But the way SAF, MU and Rooney himself have handled this, it has some parallels with Ronaldo.

Is it a case of him being too greedy? is he holding out for more? F knows, but this could be a blessing in disguise for Utd if they can spend the money he generates.

Even if they could spend all the money he generates it would be a disaster.

In reality what will happen is that he will be sold, the money will disappear into a black hole, Scholes & Giggs will retire and we'll be, to use the scientific term, fúcked.

I'm hoping that this is all just bluster and hard blowing, but I'm worried that it's not.

The Muppet

Iago wrote: »

Even if they could spend all the money he generates it would be a disaster.

In reality what will happen is that he will be sold, the money will disappear into a black hole, Scholes & Giggs will retire and we'll be, to use the scientific term, fúcked.

I'm hoping that this is all just bluster and hard blowing, but I'm worried that it's not.

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They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
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Mister men

Le King wrote: »

What's the point in trying to debate this with you guys when clearly you haven't an clue what your talking about.


Manchester United is the best run business in the Premier League and we have been for 20+ years now.

There is not a chance we will go bust.

You really refuse to face reality don't you.

Mitch Connor

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know my sarcasm, there is no way that person was being sarcastic.

Yeah, cause the bit about investing in Anglo wasn't a hint.... or the dividend the owners are clearly entitled too following all their inward investment.

adox

My tuppence worth is this:

Rooney wont be moving. Sure there is a bit of tension between him and Ferguson, but its been picked up and run by the papers to an unbelieveable extent. I`m sure this has been fueled by Rooneys agent as he tries to negotiate a huge pay day for Rooney with a new contract. In fact I would say that his agent is most to blame for the hysteria in the media over it.

Of course I could be completely wrong, as most on here seem to believe the story. We may find out more at 2pm with Fergies press conference, but as it stands I dont think theres an ounce of truth in the story that he wants to/will move.

Mitch Connor

The reporters may ask during the press conference today, but Fergie will not give a proper answer. imo.

thegen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The reporters may ask during the press conference today, but Fergie will not give a proper answer. imo.

I think Ferguson will start the conference with "No questions about Wayne please" or words to that effect.

Necronomicon

I always did like that Wenger chap.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6453341,00.html

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is convinced Wayne Rooney will remain at Manchester United.

Speculation has surfaced in recent days that the 24-year-old England striker is poised for an Old Trafford exit in January after his negotiations over a new contract broke down.

Rooney, whose relationship with Red Devils manager Sir Alex Ferguson is said to have turned sour, has been linked with a move to United's fierce local rivals Manchester City or Spanish giants Real Madrid.

Gunners boss Wenger, however, feels Ferguson's decision to leave Rooney out of his starting line-up against West Brom on Saturday has been blown out of proportion, and is confident the former Everton man will not be moving on.

Quoted in the Daily Star, Wenger said: "Rooney is a great player. I am convinced he will stay at Manchester United because it is his club.

"They have the power to keep him. When you give a great player a rest, you have a story. Rooney is Rooney. He will stay where he is."
Surprised

Rooney's existing United contract expires in 2012 and Wenger added: "I am surprised his contract has been allowed to run.

"But, basically, I don't know why. It can happen many times.

"What I know for players like Rooney today only three or four clubs can buy him. For Rooney, it will not be a financial choice.

"He will decide if he stays. He would say, 'Old Trafford is my home, I will stay there'. And Manchester United would turn up with the right number. He knows that. They know that."

CorkMan

I wouldn't count of Wenger ATM TBH. He said Fabregas will be staying, but he is definitely going to go next summer.

LuckyLloyd

This is pantomime stuff tbh. Simply put, the story has broken too far away from the realistic transfer window he can move in. Moving to City would be cartoon villain stuff.

He'll eventually come back into form, sign a new contract, and the media will **** themselves silly over Ferguson's "man management" skills.

CorkMan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This is pantomime stuff tbh. Simply put, the story has broken too far away from the realistic transfer window he can move in. Moving to City would be cartoon villain stuff.

He'll eventually come back into form, sign a new contract, and the media will **** themselves silly over Ferguson's "man management" skills.

How do you know he might not follow Tevez? Billboard and everything for him :pac:

SlickRic

CorkMan wrote: »

How do you know he might not follow Tevez? Billboard and everything for him :pac:

he doesn't, but it's just highly highly unlikely.

us football supporters will never learn to wait for the facts, ever. the speculation is just too fun.

LL has it spot on. he'll find his feet again. he's just having a bad few months, personally and professionally, so unless the press really hound him out (it would have to be monumental stuff IMO), then he ain't go anywhere.

i just can't see him going to City. i really can't.

i know he'll be haunted by his 'once a blue, always a blue' line, but he was never really going to stay at Everton. it wasn't a risk to leave. leaving now would be an almighty gamble.

although, i would have to chuckle at a frontline of Tevez and Rooney for City. who'd have ever even dreamed of that possibility 2 years ago?

mike65

He'll leave.

Mitch Connor

SlickRic wrote: »

he doesn't, but it's just highly highly unlikely.

us football supporters will never learn to wait for the facts, ever. the speculation is just too fun.

LL has it spot on. he'll find his feet again. he's just having a bad few months, personally and professionally, so unless the press really hound him out (it would have to be monumental stuff IMO), then he ain't go anywhere.

i just can't see him going to City. i really can't.

i know he'll be haunted by his 'once a blue, always a blue' line, but he was never really going to stay at Everton. it wasn't a risk to leave. leaving now would be an almighty gamble.

although, i would have to chuckle at a frontline of Tevez and Rooney for City. who'd have ever even dreamed of that possibility 2 years ago?

Who'd have thought United would go from having a forward line of Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov to Berbatov, Macheda, Welbeck and Hernandez in just two years.

mike65

No Owen?

Xavi6

FourFourTwo says Fergie will be fielding questions on Rooney in his 2pm press conference.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who'd have thought United would go from having a forward line of Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov to Berbatov, Macheda, Welbeck and Hernandez in just two years.

I know the feeling.

Masherano and Alonso to Pucas

Mitch Connor

Xavi6 wrote: »

FourFourTwo says Fergie will be fielding questions on Rooney in his 2pm press conference.

loads of people are saying he will, but no one actually knows except Fergie himself.

I don't know that he can stop people from asking questions, but he doesn't have to answer them.

mike65

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

SlickRic

rarnes1 wrote: »

I know the feeling.

Masherano and Alonso to Pucas

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who'd have thought United would go from having a forward line of Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov to Berbatov, Macheda, Welbeck and Hernandez in just two years.

it's only when you take a step back that you realise just what is happening at the clubs.

Liverpool obviously at a far more alarming rate mind you.

Mitch Connor

mike65 wrote: »

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

Generalizations make the baby jesus cry.

How about you stick to the topic and quit with cheap shots?

thebullkf

Liam O wrote: »

it's in the bank actually, know what you're talking about before you start running your mouth.

really, and you know that for a fact do you??

lessof the smart arse remarks please... seeems like you're the only person who knows "the moneys in the bank".

*sighs*

This sort of story is akin to porn for SSN

Iago

mike65 wrote: »

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

I think there's very few, miniscule in % terms, that would say the club isn't in decline.

Decline is relative though, I don't believe the entire club is in decline, or that we'll go 10+ years without winning any significant trophies. I do believe that we need to rebuild and I think Fergie has tried to start that with the players he's bought over the last few years.

I think (as I've said before here) we're going to have 3-4 rocky years ahead, where we compete but aren't as competitive. Hopefully at the end of that though we'll be back with a squad that's genuinely capable of winning both the PL & the CL.

These things always tend to be cylical, the key is not falling off the edge of a cliff while you're on the downward cycle.

ntlbell

mike65 wrote: »

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

worst start for fifty odd years sitting on the bottom of the PL, that would be decline.

Rooney using his agent to get a few $$ != club in decline :rolleyes:

IBTL

mike65

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Generalizations make the baby jesus cry.

How about you stick to the topic and quit with cheap shots?

See below

Iago wrote: »

I think there's very few, miniscule in % terms, that would say the club isn't in decline.

Decline is relative though, I don't believe the entire club is in decline, or that we'll go 10+ years without winning any significant trophies. I do believe that we need to rebuild and I think Fergie has tried to start that with the players he's bought over the last few years.

I think (as I've said before here) we're going to have 3-4 rocky years ahead, where we compete but aren't as competitive. Hopefully at the end of that though we'll be back with a squad that's genuinely capable of winning both the PL & the CL.

These things always tend to be cylical, the key is not falling off the edge of a cliff while you're on the downward cycle.

Indeed, I'm not suggesting some sort of disaster, just a relative decline. Which clearly will still hurt that generation of supporters who have known little other than a conveyer belt of trophies.

cremeegg

I think arsenal could do a one off deal for rooney... i know they have pay ceilings and wages and all that... but a "one off deal" could be thrashed out... 150K and captaincy.. certainly arsenal can afford it... and there team is heading for the top....

watch this space!

Mitch Connor

SlickRic wrote: »

it's only when you take a step back that you realise just what is happening at the clubs.

Liverpool obviously at a far more alarming rate mind you.

At least with Liverpool, and the new owners, there is potential for it to be turned around. I know the new owner has said they won't be ploughing money into the club but as long as they aren't taking fistfulls out to service debt Liverpool are alrady in a much better financial position than they were a couple of weeks ago. United, on the other, have no real end in sight for the debt and financial problems that are, i feel, affecting the club badly.

However, I would also say that the debt at United is probably not the overriding factor of this current Rooney situation.

There are two reasons being thrown about for the current mess.

1. Rooney wants 200k a week, which United won't offer, and his agent is playing the club and the media to get what he wants.

2. Rooney was dropped for poor form due to, and possibly punished for, his whoring around, and is now reacting like a spoiled child.

In the case of 1 - United can't afford to be attempting to match the likes of City or Real in wages game, if all that matters to Rooney is money and he wants 200k a week, he'll likely need to go elsewhere. That would likely have been the case with or without the Glazers; United have never been as crazy as others when it comes to wages. If Rooney got 200k a week, how long before other players start demanding that at United?

In the case of 2 - Grow the fúck up Rooney, to be honest. Sort your game out and you'll likely not have been dropped - you've been terrible for 6 months.

With regards to, potentially, being punished for his extra-marital shenanigans... I'm not so sure on that one. I don't know whether it is Fergie's, or United's, place to punish players for stuff they do outside of club hours.

SlickRic

cremeegg wrote: »

I think arsenal could do a one off deal for rooney... i know they have pay ceilings and wages and all that... but a "one off deal" could be thrashed out... 150K and captaincy.. certainly arsenal can afford it... and there team is heading for the top....

watch this space!

if it happens, i'll give you the money myself.

Mitch Connor

mike65 wrote: »

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

Iago wrote: »

I think there's very few, miniscule in % terms, that would say the club isn't in decline.

mike65 wrote: »

See below

What?

RandolphEsq

cremeegg wrote: »

I think arsenal could do a one off deal for rooney... i know they have pay ceilings and wages and all that... but a "one off deal" could be thrashed out... 150K and captaincy.. certainly arsenal can afford it... and there team is heading for the top....

watch this space!

Cesc for Rooney and I would not hate that deal. Possibility .00001/10

mike65

Mitch Connor, read Iagos comment carefully. I said the club is in decline, Iago said

I think there's very few...that would say the club isn't in decline

Mitch Connor

mike65 wrote: »

Mitch Connor, read Iagos comment carefully. I said the club is in decline, Iago said

You said United supporters say United is not in decline.

Iago says he reckons there are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY few that would say that.

You state United fans, not some, not a small amount, not a portion of - you state "United fans", which implies all.

ROCKMAN

If and its a big IF IMO that Rooney leaves Utd ,there no way I could see Utd sell to another English club and as for City buying Rooney just one word for ye " Tevez " Why would City be interested in buy a very similar player when their own version is on fire at the moment ,

mike65

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You said United supporters say United is not in decline.

Iago says he reckons there are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY few that would say that.

Read the following carefully

I think there's very few...that would say the club isn't in decline

I think Iago is saying most Utd supporters agree the club is in decline (the measure of decline is not relevent to this clarification) but he has phrased it as a negative.

Had he said -

I think most would say the club is in decline

it would have been clearer. Unless Iago actually misrepresented is own feelings (possible)

gandalf

cremeegg wrote: »

I think arsenal could do a one off deal for rooney... i know they have pay ceilings and wages and all that... but a "one off deal" could be thrashed out... 150K and captaincy.. certainly arsenal can afford it... and there team is heading for the top....

watch this space!

Unless Wayne is a good Goalie we don't need him.

TBH I would suspect that he is gone. As with any previous player that has crossed Alex they then to be shifted very quickly aka Stam, van Nistelrooy, Roy Keane. I suspect it will be the same with Rooney and unless City come up with some outrageous offer I do not think he will go to them.

I can't understand Rooneys logic beyond playing games to get a better deal which is a very dangerous game to play with Uniteds Manager. It's obvious to me that the manager is trying to protect him and instead of realising this Rooney is contradicting him and on a collision course with him. He is obviously letting the media get to him and affect his decision making.

PHB

mike65 wrote: »

and Utd supporters say the club in not in decline.

And all Liverpool fans make silly generalisations?