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18-10-2010 5:15pm#1
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the case includes the psu. it will be adequite for your system as its spec'd. if u want to add a lot of hard drives or more powerfull graphics or many other devices then id advise a higher rated psu.
if u want advise on overclocking send me a PM when u have the system built, u can run this at 3.6ghz comfortably and it blazes along
the method of payment is by bank transfer but u only need to go to the bank once to set it up and in future you can do the transfer online through your online banking. the delivery time is usually a week from when they recieve the funds which is usually the next day.
u will need case fans back and front, forgot to add.0 -
You've been very helpful, appreciate it man
Would this case (http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=29636&agid=631)
be compatible with this graphics card (http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=36566&agid=707)
and two of these cooler fans (http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=27107&agid=288)
along with the other components that you mentioned above???0 -
its a nice case, it doesnt come with a PSU but it does come with fans already, the graphics card should fit fine. this graphics card will draw 300watts on full load so u will need at least a 600w psu and better off getting a 750w one to be sure to be sure. it will give probably double your frames per second in games also which is nice 0
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Curry Addict wrote: »nice build but if i was spending that amount I would go for this
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PSU is a bit cheapy (not the worst cheapy though but would always recommend quality, e.g. Corsair, on such an important part of the PC)
Ram is off?
Noticed the retro recommendation for the 9800GT earlier.. which is really an 8800GT.. which came out about 20 years ago 0 -
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for the ram i guess i shouldnt build pcs in the middle of the night
the guys was on a 700e budget and considering power loads a 9800gt would be ok on 500w and cheap ass psu was not such a bad idea.
id risk that psu no problem in fact its running grand in my system
i dont qite get the paranoia about psus here0 -
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ive never had an issue with these integrated psus and ive built over 15 gaming sytems over the past few years. i have ensured that the max power usable is below the psu spec. also the potential failure mode is passive to the rest of the system so a risk well worth taking imho to save a few bob
if i ever suspected an issue with peak continuous max output i would test and send it back and kick up a stink.0 -
Curry Addict wrote: »ive never had an issue with these integrated psus and ive built over 15 gaming sytems over the past few years. i have ensured that the max power usable is below the psu spec. also the potential failure mode is passive to the rest of the system so a risk well worth taking imho to save a few bob
if i ever suspected an issue with peak continuous max output i would test and send it back and kick up a stink.
We all secretly believe this too.. 600watt PSUs for only 30 quid mmm.. but we dare not speak of such things when Solitaire is around0 -
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A good, efficient PSU will save you in the long run with electricity bills.
Poorly regulated power will put strain on your components shortening their life (sometimes outside the useful life, but I've seen threads appearing on forums where people had a different component failing every month).
Also, every component relies upon the PSU. There's cases where people's entire systems have gone kaput over a bad PSU. Then there's also the hazzard of fire - There's a good chance you'll be away from your PC for a while - poor soldering/cooling/whatever poses a greater risk.
When you add all these up, it's very much worthwhile spending a bit extra. There's plenty of evidence around that an "über g4am3r brand" rated at 700W crashes before it reaches 700W. Maybe even before 400 or 500W. The good quality PSUs will usually shutdown neatly when it reaches it's limit (sometimes above the rated maximum); things can go horribly wrong with the cheapos.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&file=print&reid=123
You don't need an engineering degree to make sense of some of the tables.
It really depends on the circumstance. If you have an office PC with no essential parts and you wouldn't be that bothered in it's condition, then it might be more appropriate to cut back.
sorry but i have to correct u there, most of what you say there is a myth.
and i do have a degree in electronics and 16 years experience
power supplies dont cause components to burn out, it may cause them to operate incorrectly but this is almost always recoverable. components fail when their gates draw power beyond their current tolerance, usually dependent on how thick the gates are and almost always, due to a component further down the line drawing too much power.
when u consider this, its a good idea to save your money when buying a power supply but be carefull how u load them and make sure they can handle the power expected. components nowadays are very reliable and its highly unlikely your power supply will fail (unless u overload it or experience component failure in the supply or in your system) and if it does, it wont cause any other parts of your sytem to fail. like all things in life
some manufacturers will skimp on the spec. anything outside of 10% is totally unacceptable and most will stay within this.
i had a quick look at the article, its a very nicely crafted scare story.
a couple of quick calculations using the first table in my head tell me its written by someone who has no clue about power electronics.0 -
marco_polo wrote: »Probably because in most cases no name PSUs turn out to be nowhere remotely near capable of the supplying and or sustaining the claimed output wattage.
In the case of the PSU bundled with that JCP case there are no specifications available at all as they won't even supply amodel number, so the Peak / continuous maximum outputs (especially for the all important 12V rail) are complete unknowns. I would run a mile from it in any gaming build.
this psu has overcurrent protection.
power factor correction 0.9 as per EU standards.
the continuous max out for 12v line is 340watts so careful how u load it, as i pointed out it will run a lower powered graphics card like a 9800gt grand but i wouldnt put a more modern card in it is deceptive tho imho and probaly why people get caught out. 0 -
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Looks good, and I would second the switch in motherboard, iirc the LX had a few things crippled.Curry Addict wrote: »sorry but i have to correct u there, most of what you say there is a myth.
and i do have a degree in electronics and 16 years experience
power supplies dont cause components to burn out, it may cause them to operate incorrectly but this is almost always recoverable. components fail when their gates draw power beyond their current tolerance, usually dependent on how thick the gates are and almost always, due to a component further down the line drawing too much power.
when u consider this, its a good idea to save your money when buying a power supply but be carefull how u load them and make sure they can handle the power expected. components nowadays are very reliable and its highly unlikely your power supply will fail (unless u overload it or experience component failure in the supply or in your system) and if it does, it wont cause any other parts of your sytem to fail. like all things in life
some manufacturers will skimp on the spec. anything outside of 10% is totally unacceptable and most will stay within this.
i had a quick look at the article, its a very nicely crafted scare story.
a couple of quick calculations using the first table in my head tell me its written by someone who has no clue about power electronics.
Well I'm definitely not an expert and still learning, so I appreciate any comments.
It could be possible that the big PSU manufacturers would be going around bribing/infiltrating forums and review sites to promote their products/knock down others. However, to me it seems quite likely that some people would sell anything and call it a what they want to make a few euro.
So should we not be worried about voltage noise/ripple?
Even if all PSUs were perfectly safe, efficiencies would still come into play. You're not going to notice it on your bill, but it could be €10-20 per year, depending on your machine and how often you're using it.
Have a read of this article and tell me what you think.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/How-Much-Power-Can-a-Generic-500-W-Power-Supply-Really-Deliver/534/6
If you have specific observations on either articles, I would be glad to hear them.0 -
Curry Addict wrote: »this psu has overcurrent protection.
power factor correction 0.9 as per EU standards.
the continuous max out for 12v line is 340watts so careful how u load it, as i pointed out it will run a lower powered graphics card like a 9800gt grand but i wouldnt put a more modern card init is deceptive tho imho and probaly why people get caught out.
See that is the thing right there though, that sort of reading in no way qualifies it as a 500W PSU in any way which makes the label have any meaning. Just as two random examples the continuous 12V maximum for a 500W Seasonic S12 is 480W, even the Corsair CX400W can output 360w on the 12V rail. So anyone who buys in the expectation that they are actually getting a true 500W PSU is going to be sorely disappointed.
You may understand the limitations of the PSU you are getting, but that is not nescessarly true for everyone. Although I would completely do agree that people often go way over the top compared to what they actually need.0 -
Would a cheap fan do or would i need to fork out more than €30?
Uhh... if I wasn't clear, you wont need another fan unless you're sticking in a second graphics card in there. If you really want one though, a decent 120mm fan could be got for round €10, and high end for no more than €20. But don't bother at this stage, better things to spend your money on.Ok, will do, I'm just happier this way saved me a few bob.
And yeah the case is awesome. Seein' as i will be looking at it for quite some time it may as well be one i like
Case is pretty good all right, great for air flow and keeping stuff cool and loads of room so installation is a breeze for a first time builder. Just beware though the HAF series has nothing in terms of noise insulation. Stock fans are pretty quiet, but if you've a loud GPU or CPU in there some people might find it grating after a while. Not too loud mind, be like having an electric blow heater in the room, but some people unaccustomed to gaming hardware might find it grates after a while.0 -
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Looks good, and I would second the switch in motherboard, iirc the LX had a few things crippled.
Well I'm definitely not an expert and still learning, so I appreciate any comments.
It could be possible that the big PSU manufacturers would be going around bribing/infiltrating forums and review sites to promote their products/knock down others. However, to me it seems quite likely that some people would sell anything and call it a what they want to make a few euro.
So should we not be worried about voltage noise/ripple?
Even if all PSUs were perfectly safe, efficiencies would still come into play. You're not going to notice it on your bill, but it could be €10-20 per year, depending on your machine and how often you're using it.
Have a read of this article and tell me what you think.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/How-Much-Power-Can-a-Generic-500-W-Power-Supply-Really-Deliver/534/6
If you have specific observations on either articles, I would be glad to hear them.
the article is good for the power supply they are disecting but it is an american based article.
we in europe are pretty much protected by this...
In 2001, the European Union put into effect the standard IEC/EN61000-3-2 to set limits on the harmonics of the AC input current up to the 40th harmonic for equipment above 75 W. The standard defines four classes of equipment depending on its type and current waveform. The most rigorous limits (class D) are established for personal computers, computer monitors, and TV receivers. In order to comply with these requirements modern switched-mode power supplies normally include an additional power factor correction (PFC) stage.
Putting a current regulated boost chopper stage after the off-line rectifier (to charge the storage capacitor) can correct the power factor, but increases the complexity (and any cost).
this means that the power factor correction should be .9 which basically means that 90% of the power input to a supply is outputted which is pretty good. this will leave very little room for voltage noise ripple.
it also means that even cheap ass psus are energy efficient.
here is a nice article from wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_mode_power_supply0
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