Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Landlord charging tenants different prices for similar room

Options
2

Comments

  • Options
    #32
    Giblet
    Registered Users Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Who said he was under obligation. He might be obliged to when his tenant asks and he either has to accept or get a new tenant for the current Market rate. Or he can just keep it empty and not let it for less than it's worth.

    And the kind people on the thread have suggested he do talk to the landlord.


  • Options
    #33
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Who said he was under obligation. He might be obliged to when his tenant asks and he either has to accept or get a new tenant for the current Market rate. Or he can just keep it empty and not let it for less than it's worth.
    But the OP cannot insist the LL reduce his rate. He can threaten to move out if he doesn't, but that's the only card he can play. And yes, it will be hassle for the LL to go to the market and try and get a new tenant, but it's also a hassle for the OP to move out and try and find somewhere cheaper

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #34
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Who said he was under obligation. He might be obliged to when his tenant asks and he either has to accept or get a new tenant for the current Market rate. Or he can just keep it empty and not let it for less than it's worth.

    Grown adults dont take to well to people throwing their toys out of the pram. If the OP goes to the landlord with the attitude of "lower my rent now or Ill walk" Id imagine the landlord will tell him where to go; I know I would if it was me.


  • Options
    #35
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    djimi wrote: »
    Grown adults dont take to well to people throwing their toys out of the pram. If the OP goes to the landlord with the attitude of "lower my rent now or Ill walk" Id imagine the landlord will tell him where to go; I know I would if it was me.


    haha what an attitude. Massively inconvenience yourself, and lose out financially just to save face. Good idea.

    It's a business and that's how any decent landlord will approach it.


  • Options
    #36
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    I would have said its a greater inconvenience to the OP to have to find somewhere new to live for the same/less money and have to move their stuff to the new place rather than for the landlord to find someone new to move into the room if Im being honest.

    Its not about what the OP is saying, its about how they are saying it. If they are reasonable it then Im sure the landlord would be prepared to listen to them and consider what they are saying. However if they go to the landlord all guns blazing and basically offer an ultimatum of lower the rent or they will walk then I can imagine it would get the landlords back up and they will not get much joy.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #37
    convert
    Registered Users Posts: 9,338 ✭✭✭convert


    Scambuster wrote: »
    No he is paying above the market rate. The landlord went to the market and thats what he got.

    No, the OP is not paying more than the market rate. According to the PRTB
    MARKET RENTS
    The maximum rent payable by a tenant may not be greater
    than the open market rent, which is defined as the rent that a
    willing tenant would give and a willing landlord     would take for
    vacant possession having regard to the tenancy terms and the
    letting values of dwellings of a similar size, type and character
    and located in a similar area.

    The OP was willing to pay the rent for the room and agreed to that amount, therefore they paid the market rent.

    Does it seem fair to the OP that another tenant is paying a lower rent for the same/similar room? No. But the OP has to remember that they were initially happy with that rent (if they weren't they probably wouldn't have taken the room), and is only complaining now because they've discovered that a new tenant is paying a lower rent.


  • Options
    #38
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    convert wrote: »

    The OP was willing to pay the rent for the room and agreed to that amount, therefore they paid the market rent.

    Wrong. You can't have two market rates for the same room which we will have to take the ops word on. The market rate is what the latest person pays. If hte market rate was what the OP was paying then why didn't the landlord get that amount when he took it to the market? Now you have it. Good boy.


  • Options
    #39
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Wrong. You can't have two market rates for the same room which we will have to take the ops word on. The market rate is what the latest person pays. If hte market rate was what the OP was paying then why didn't the landlord get that amount when he took it to the market? Now you have it. Good boy.
    First of all, it's a different room. Even if everything in it is identical, it's a different room. A room being rented has no effect on the market rate of a different room. So the market rate of the OP's room is what the OP and the LL agreed on. The OP can ask for a rent review. The OP cannot demand a rent change. The LL is under no legal constraint to lower the rent.

    If the OP wants to survey every tenant in the country and find out if every single one of them would pay less than what he's paying, then he would have a legal right to a rent decrease.

    Do you understand that? Good boy :rolleyes:

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #40
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    Wrong. We are agreed it is the same standard of room. For you to change that bit shows you have lost the argument.


  • Options
    #41
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Wrong. We are agreed it is the same standard of room. For you to change that bit shows you have lost the argument.
    Lol. Just fuckin' lol :pac:

    Where exactly have I agreed it is the same standard? And even if it was, how is the fact that the 'standard' is the same relevant? Where in the legislation does it say anything about the 'standard' of other rooms?

    My position is exactly the same as it's always been (across all 2 posts of mine in this thread). The OP can ask for a rent review. If he is refused, he can leave. At no stage is the LL legally required to drop the rent

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #42
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    28064212 wrote: »
    leave. At no stage is the LL legally required to drop the rent

    Yes legally. That is the impoartant point. Legally. Because not one person has mentioned or gives a **** about any legal requirement because there is none.


  • Options
    #43
    convert
    Registered Users Posts: 9,338 ✭✭✭convert


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Wrong. You can't have two market rates for the same room which we will have to take the ops word on. The market rate is what the latest person pays. If hte market rate was what the OP was paying then why didn't the landlord get that amount when he took it to the market? Now you have it. Good boy.
    Scambuster wrote: »
    Yes legally. That is the impoartant point. Legally. Because not one person has mentioned or gives a **** about any legal requirement because there is none.

    Can you provide relevant links/documentation to back up your claims, please?


    Oh, and I'd advise you to do a little research before assuming all posters on the forum are 'boys'.


  • Options
    #44
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Yes legally. That is the impoartant point. Legally. Because not one person has mentioned or gives a **** about any legal requirement because there is none.
    So we're in complete agreement? The landlord does not have to drop the rent, but the OP can ask?

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #45
    ztoical
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Wrong. We are agreed it is the same standard of room. For you to change that bit shows you have lost the argument.

    Even the OP didn't say it was the same standard room, they said it was similar - similar does not mean equal. They might be the same in sqaure footage but there could be a hundred things different that makes it of lesser value then the room the OP is renting. Smaller window, less storgage, located in a nosier part of the house etc etc The OP never said why they don't have a lease so maybe the other guy got a lower rent by agreeing to sign up to a lease, OP won't know unless they go ask.

    As half a dozen people have said already they can ask and frankly if they ask nice I can't see why the LL won't lower it unless they point out some reason for the rent difference to the OP but LL has not done anything illegal by renting two different rooms at two different prices.


  • Options
    #46
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    op everyone who says you can't havev the same lower price is likley a landlord

    so ignore them

    renters market make new offer leave if its not met


  • Options
    #47
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Tigger wrote: »
    op everyone who says you can't havev the same lower price is likley a landlord

    so ignore them

    renters market make new offer leave if its not met

    No one is saying that the op can't have it. They're saying that the landlord is within his rights to tell the op that he won't change the rent (although he might drop it) and if so, the op is not being cheated. The op can move too, and no one is saying he can't do that.

    Reading comprehension is our friend.


  • Options
    #48
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    28064212 wrote: »
    So we're in complete agreement? The landlord does not have to drop the rent, but the OP can ask?

    He can be forced to drop the rent fairly easily.


  • Options
    #49
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    He can be forced to drop the rent fairly easily.
    No, as stated over and over, he can't. It might be a choice between drop the rent or no tenant (or spend a little longer looking for one who is willing to pay), but he cannot be forced to drop the rent

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #50
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    28064212 wrote: »
    No, as stated over and over, he can't. It might be a choice between drop the rent or no tenant (or spend a little longer looking for one who is willing to pay), but he cannot be forced to drop the rent

    Yes he can. Try and follow.

    'drop the rent or I'm gone'

    Results.
    1. Landlord drops rent.
    2. Landlord let's tenant go. Room empty for two weeks before he secures a tenant on lower rent.
    3. Loses tenant and keeps room empty, the biggest of drops.


  • Options
    #51
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Yes he can. Try and follow.

    'drop the rent or I'm gone'

    Results.
    1. Landlord drops rent.
    2. Landlord let's tenant go. Room empty for two weeks before he secures a tenant on lower rent.
    3. Loses tenant and keeps room empty, the biggest of drops.
    So anyone can get any landlord to drop the rent at any time? No, you've listed some of the possible results. You're missing (at least):
    • Landlord refuses, tenant realises it's too much hassle to actually go searching for a new place for cheaper that suits him as well or better than where he currently is (or can't find a better place than he currently is), and doesn't follow through with the threat
    • Landlord refuses, tenant leaves, and the Landlord gets someone else in at the same rate

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #52
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    The tenant is in control so they can force the issue so disregard your first point. Your second point is pure fantasy. Maybe he will get a lovely tenant to sign a 5 year lease at twice the previous tenant.


  • Options
    #53
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    The tenant is in control so they can force the issue so disregard your first point. Your second point is pure fantasy. Maybe he will get a lovely tenant to sign a 5 year lease at twice the previous tenant.
    The tenant is not in control, that's pure fantasy on your part. They can try and force the issue, and the landlord can say no until either the tenant leaves or gives up. The final decision lies with the landlord. If the landlord doesn't want to drop the rent, he doesn't have to. He can decide that based on a thousand and one factors that neither you nor I have any idea about. But he is the one who decides

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #54
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    So he decides the Market rate for his room?


  • Options
    #55
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Scambuster wrote: »
    So he decides the Market rate for his room?
    A room doesn't have a market rate until it is rented. The Landlord sets the rent price. When/if a tenant accepts that price, that is the market rate. Of course, that's irrelevant, since we're talking about the rent price, not the rate, and the landlord can set the rent at whatever he likes.

    Boardsie Enhancement Suite - a browser extension to make using Boards on desktop a better experience (includes full-width display, keyboard shortcuts, dark mode, and more). Now available through your browser's extension store.

    Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/boardsie-enhancement-suite/

    Chrome/Edge/Opera: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/boardsie-enhancement-suit/bbgnmnfagihoohjkofdnofcfmkpdmmce



  • Options
    #56
    Bob Z
    Registered Users Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    This is going on too long its just the same points over and over.:confused:


  • Options
    #57
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    Bob, that is the approach you have to take when teaching remedial students.


  • Options
    #58
    ztoical
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Bob, that is the approach you have to take when teaching remedial students.

    Says the guy who doesn't under economics 101 and seems pretty obessed with this concept of 'market rate' without understanding it.

    The OP in this case doesn't have a lease so they are free to feck off when ever they like depending on the exact conditions that they are renting under [is it a rent a room scheme or is it a 4 part tennacny etc] Is this agressive attitude evil LL and go tell the LL do this or else really called for? The LL has done nothing wrong, they advertisted the room for a price, the OP was happy to pay that price. I assume they advertisted the other room for the same price and others felt it was not worth the price being asked.

    The OP can go ask and frankly depending the situation [are the rooms really 100% the same etc etc] the LL most likely will just lower the rent if they feel the OP is a good tenant worth keeping but this idea that the OP should be demanding back dated rent to when the other guy moved in and all this overly agressive attitude is uncalled for. If the LL lowers the rent, grand, if they don't the OP can stay paying the rent he agreed to and felt was a fair rent for the room when he rented it or he can leave.


  • Options
    #59
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    Fairness has nothing to do with it. You don't have a clue. If the rent was fair and acceptable 12 months ago then why did a new tenant pay less?


  • Options
    #60
    ztoical
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    Scambuster wrote: »
    Fairness has nothing to do with it. You don't have a clue. If the rent was fair and acceptable 12 months ago then why did a new tenant pay less?

    Where are you getting 12 months from...the OP does not state how long they have been renting the room before the other room was rented.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #61
    Scambuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Scambuster


    5 months then. Or 20 because it doesn't matter. Go back and read my little time equation. Rents rise and fall over time.

    If I was renting the sane place for the last ten years in Dublin should u continue renting at the same price because it was fair at the time? No dunce, because I would be getting ripped off.


Advertisement