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High Court action to have bye election in South Donegal

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  • #52
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Turned over on appeal you reckon?
    I honestly don't know. I'm quite surprised it succeeded in the High Court. I'll hang fire until I've seen the grounds on which the state lodge the SC appeal.

    I'm not unhappy to see the government given a rap on the knuckles - using their majority to repeatedly block any attempt to fill the vacant seats was quite possibly the most cynical ploy by this government to date - but I still reckon there's a SoP issue here, and that we really need a constitutional amendment to force a time limit on by-elections.


  • #53
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    They're holding the bye election and appealing to the Supreme court.

    What a way to waste tax payers money.

    I'm in shock.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1103/byeelection.html


    Dirty rotten scoundrels.


  • #54
    gleep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭gleep


    Heard Pearse Doherty on Newstalk earlier, he said the only reason FF are appealing is to stop SF taking them to court to call the other 3 bye elections. Apparently, once they lodged their appeal, SF can't take another action.

    And 18% of the population would STILL vote for them in a General Election. Am I the only person who is disheartened by that? 18% (and they would probably get closer to 22%) could be enough to see them in government as a minority partner.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • #55
    tennessee time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭tennessee time


    murphaph wrote: »
    Totally agree.


    The Dail should be elected from a national list to eliminate the poxy parish pump influence of STV once and for all. (The netherlands elects its MPs from a national list and it's a bigger country in economic and population terms)

    .


    a national list?? and what if it emerges that everyone elected is from munster or cavan?? what happens to the rest of the country?


  • #56
    hallelujajordan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭hallelujajordan


    gleep wrote: »
    Heard Pearse Doherty on Newstalk earlier, he said the only reason FF are appealing is to stop SF taking them to court to call the other 3 bye elections. Apparently, once they lodged their appeal, SF can't take another action.

    And 18% of the population would STILL vote for them in a General Election. Am I the only person who is disheartened by that? 18% (and they would probably get closer to 22%) could be enough to see them in government as a minority partner.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    You really should not believe everything SF say. It is important that the government appeal to clarify the Separation of Powers issue and it is a side effect that the other actions cannot currently be taken. Legally,it's actually irrelevant. The governments move to call the bye election today is a political decision. Nothing in yesterdays judgement forced them to do so

    I believe the high court have acted incorrectly here and I think the SC will reverse the declaration. I also think that following the SC ruling the government of the day should move a referendum to put in place a time limit for future bye elections.


  • #57
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    gleep wrote: »
    Heard Pearse Doherty on Newstalk earlier, he said the only reason FF are appealing is to stop SF taking them to court to call the other 3 bye elections. Apparently, once they lodged their appeal, SF can't take another action.
    Labour should take one and FG the other.


  • #58
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Biggins wrote: »
    Labour should take one and FG the other.

    That would imply that either party has a backbone.


  • #59
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    FG have indeed taken an action for both:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1104/breaking38.html


  • #60
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    That would imply that either party has a backbone.
    True.
    bleg wrote: »
    FG have indeed taken an action for both:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1104/breaking38.html
    Cheers.
    In reality, they should have done this before now and not possibly be shamed into doing it now that they have seen such an effort being successful by SF.


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  • #61
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I actually support the govt appealing as I want it clarified once and for all.


  • #62
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I actually support the govt appealing as I want it clarified once and for all.

    This so called Government is not interested in clarification but purely to delay any future bye- elections if it gets a long protracted legal case or a favourable ruling.


  • #63
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    This so called Government is not interested in clarification but purely to delay any future bye- elections if it gets a long protracted legal case or a favourable ruling.
    Oh I know that, I am intrested in clarification however, hence I, for my own reasons, think this appeal is a good thing.


  • #64
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Oh I know that, I am intrested in clarification however, hence I, for my own reasons, think this appeal is a good thing.
    It is a good thing indeed.
    FF know anyway that FG or Labour intend or promise to bring in electoral changes anyway in regards to this so its somewhat a mute miserable excuse by FF anyway.


  • #65
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    murphaph wrote: »
    ...or better yet insist on PR List being introduced so that when someone pops their clogs, we don't need to waste money on bye elections, we just replace them with someone from the same party. PRSTV has never been good for Ireland in IMO.

    Why someone from the same party ?

    Just because the "dead" candidate might (possibly) be the best and have gotten themselves elected doesn't mean that the same party had a decent second candidate that's worthy of the seat.

    I would suggest that whoever was the first beaten candidate be deemed elected.


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