Deauville or Varadero

srt

I'm just wondering what you would recommend.
A deauville 700 or a varadero 125
I got the A licence last year but have no experience really.
I'm getting mixed advice.
Would a novice really need the experience on a 125 first?
The varadero is only available from the uk at €6800 with duty with a few options which is dear but apparently a great bike.
The deauville is €10800 which is better value but maybe more experience is needed first?

P.C.

If it was me, I would go for a restricted Deauville.

How old are you?
The reason I ask that, is that some young people find it difficult to get reasonable insurance on a bigger bike.

Crasp

They are 2 very different bikes!

I'd go for the deauville myself, I actually quite like them (despite bing <50 years old). Grand bike to go and plenty of power for what they are.


The varadero would be dead to the world, but much better in town than the deauville and more economical, probably mildly cheaper insurance (though the deauville isn't all that big).

jayok

Well I am biased as I've a NT700 Deauville. Nice bike easy to ride and doesn't really suffer from the restriction. I use it to commute into town and never have had an issue filtering, etc. Can speak for the varadero, but a 125cc versus a 680cc isn't a fair comparison.

I've a restricted license and only passed my A 10 months ago, so still learning.

Tigger

srt wrote: »

I'm just wondering what you would recommend.
A deauville 700 or a varadero 125
I got the A licence last year but have no experience really.
I'm getting mixed advice.
Would a novice really need the experience on a 125 first?
The varadero is only available from the uk at €6800 with duty with a few options which is dear but apparently a great bike.
The deauville is €10800 which is better value but maybe more experience is needed first?

thats insane money to spenf id you don't know enough to decide between a 125 and a 700

buy an oil cooled 600 bandit for 1500 get it restricted and get the shocks seals and bearings checked/done and you'll have a bullet proof bike with loads of umph


loads of othjer ways to go but don't do what you posted
in two years you'll need yer money saved to buy something good with the money you didn't spend on a deauville

Agent_47

I am going to come at this from two angles. I had a Varadero from new. I believe the price you quote is for the 1000 cc as a UK import because the 125cc version I had was 5,700€. It could not be 6800?
It was a great novice bike but very underpowered.
The Deauville is nice and refined but I steered away from it when I heard how much time was required to get the fairings off for servicing thus adding to cost.

Got an ER6 f Kawasaki when I got the probation up on the A licence. Bulletproof bike, 67 MPG and fair poke not to mention street cred. Will be changing it after 5 years and geting a 12D from the same dealer at some stage, thats how much I rate it.:D

Tigger

this one

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1594733


this looks very good; nice mods show a bit of maturity



http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1442230

this is an s and is restricted

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1502224

yogidc26

Tigger wrote: »

this one

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1594733


this looks very good; nice mods show a bit of maturity



http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1442230

this is an s and is restricted

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1502224

That second one is class Id like that myself

Tigger

i know
its v tempting and he might take a good bit less

goldie fish

Deauville.
Varadero are overrated and underpowered.
Gardai use deauville. They use them fast. You can drive them unrestricted, as far as I know, as the power to weight ratio fits the bill. Great for long distance, you won't get that on a vara.
Also, if you are unsure if you are experienced, again go DV. The army use them. Novices learn everything on them in the 2 cavalry squadron. They have handy crash protector pods that protect the bodywork in an off, and are far cheaper to replace, if you so desire. Plenty of good second hand ones out there.

After a while you'll get bored on the 125, and need to change, but 125s depreciate more than "full size". However you could find you only want to replace the dv with another dv.

srt

That's sound advice by all.
29 is my age and the duty price for the Varadero I quoted included a few options but I may have calculated the Vat/Vrt wrong.
I'll check out the kawasaki and bandit option and scrap the Varadero one.
The DV sounds very suitable.
Thanks for the help

Irishcrx

To be honest, I think novice riders are mad to go spending that kind of money on their first bike without 1. Really knowing what each type of bike is like. 2. Having the expierience to ride it without dropping it. Just like when you first start driving a car, there are always going to be a few close scrapes and bumps much better to take them on a bike that didn't stand you a few grand.

I would look at the 125 - 400cc range of bikes between 1k - 2k max for your first bike and learn on it. Another advantage is that you are more likely to do some of the work on the bike yourself and learn.

Obviously not for everyone but i've recently started biking and bought a Virago 250, within a week I had to trace an electrical fault, replace the battery and both headlamps, spend a weekend going through the manual and electrical systems, fuses and I now know the electrical system nearly inside out and i'm confident if theres ever a problem again I can handle it myself!...Just some food for thought, BTW you will love biking.

arybvtcw0eolkf

goldie fish wrote: »

Deauville.
Varadero are overrated and underpowered.
Gardai use deauville. They use them fast. You can drive them unrestricted, as far as I know, as the power to weight ratio fits the bill. Great for long distance, you won't get that on a vara.
Also, if you are unsure if you are experienced, again go DV. The army use them. Novices learn everything on them in the 2 cavalry squadron. They have handy crash protector pods that protect the bodywork in an off, and are far cheaper to replace, if you so desire. Plenty of good second hand ones out there.

After a while you'll get bored on the 125, and need to change, but 125s depreciate more than "full size". However you could find you only want to replace the dv with another dv.

Thats good advice, btw the Defence Forces are also using Bandits however I'd go with the DV over the Bandit any day.

goldie fish

Harlow Curved Sternum wrote: »

Thats good advice, btw the Defence Forces are also using Bandits however I'd go with the DV over the Bandit any day.

True, the DF(specifically the MPs) aren't having much success with the Bandits though. Try to find one that hasn't been "down the road".
That's what happens when you ignore expert advice.

arybvtcw0eolkf

goldie fish wrote: »

True, the DF(specifically the MPs) aren't having much success with the Bandits though. Try to find one that hasn't been "down the road".
That's what happens when you ignore expert advice.

Well mechanically they're a fine bike, just awful to ride. The old Kawasaki GT550's were a much nicer bike to ride and mechanically just as sound as the Bandit.

goldie fish

Harlow Curved Sternum wrote: »

Well mechanically they're a fine bike, just awful to ride. The old Kawasaki GT550's were a much nicer bike to ride and mechanically just as sound as the Bandit.

Agree, the shaft drive is a huge advantage though. Also, the Bandit was never designed to have loads of unbalanced weight and a lolipop stick stuck behind the rear axle

arybvtcw0eolkf

goldie fish wrote: »

Agree, the shaft drive is a huge advantage though. Also, the Bandit was never designed to have loads of unbalanced weight and a lolipop stick stuck behind the rear axle

+1.

The Bandit is pretty unbalanced as it is without adding those Givi boxes.

Another disadvantage with the Bandit is its dire lack of torque, makes it awful for city traffic compared to the GT's.

The DV's don't have that problem and are a far superior bike all round.

goldie fish

Harlow Curved Sternum wrote: »

+1.

The Bandit is pretty unbalanced as it is without adding those Givi boxes.

Another disadvantage with the Bandit is its dire lack of torque, makes it awful for city traffic compared to the GT's.

The DV's don't have that problem and are a far superior bike all round.

Ah but the MPs(who up to then got whatever the Cav got) knew best and decided to go their own way.
Hopefully they have learnt their lesson and will take what they are given from now on.

arybvtcw0eolkf

goldie fish wrote: »

Ah but the MPs(who up to then got whatever the Cav got) knew best and decided to go their own way.
Hopefully they have learnt their lesson and will take what they are given from now on.

Tbh, the MP's weren't the first to get the Bandits.