The Print discussion thread

cython

leopoldbloom wrote: »

The SU sent out an all student email last week, and heavily used facebook for that entire week to get people to walk home in groups. Reporting incidents is best for a paper. Warning and counselling caution is what we did, to avoid any repeats if at all possible.

Furthermore, if we said Bond Bridge and Parsons Street are dodgy - what's to make someone in Lawrence Avenue think twice about walking home alone?

Ok, you sent an email, but to be honest, I've just looked at that mail, and as funky penguin said, it was item 2, on a list of 6 or 7 items - easy to get lost in the middle, tbh. I also notice that two versions of that mail were sent to me, the second because item 7 had been omitted. Surely, since the limits on the number of these emails seems to be flexible, this issue could have been given its own mail, or at least made more obvious in the last one? People have already said on here that they missed it where it was.

Also, while I see facebook as useful for getting information out there, I don't believe it should be relied on so heavily as it seems to be, seeing as it's not a site that the computer centre are fond of, and as I recall, it is not to be accessed from certain computer facilities on campus. The SU have recently put up posters warning students not to engage in anti-social behaviour, in some cases 2 of the same poster beside each other - why not replace one of these with a poster warning of the assaults?

And as for your comment on specifying Bond Bridge and Parsons Street, the paper mentions other localities, and as I pointed out, the variety and separation between those areas, in most people I know, would mean more than the same vague blanket warning as was issued last year, and as has gone out on other occasions in the past. It is perfectly possible to mention cite examples while clarifying that they are not exclusively the locations where attacks took place.

This is my 8th year here, and I know plenty of people who have heard that blanket warning, both this year and in the past, and (wrongly, I admit, but it still happens) they jump to the conclusions of it being the usual areas. Pointing out any example that shakes that notion as early as possible would be a good thing, IMHO.

mickstupp

I can't quite see how item 2 is "easy to get lost in the middle, tbh", unless of course you just don't bother reading the mail. And the headings were in Bold, said 'Safety Warning', why would you skip that? No, I don't think lack of communication is a valid complaint in this instance. They sent a mail, they used Facebook. Do people expect someone to verbally announce a thing in every single class? I wonder if we could get a kind of Town Crier, with a bell, Hear Ye Hear Ye! Walk through the various buildings on the hour every hour for a few weeks shouting out the news.

Or you could just read the mails they send out...

lemansky

mickstupp wrote: »

Do people expect someone to verbally announce a thing in every single class?

Not every single class, no. In years gone by though, when it suited them, they were well able to have people talk in enough/a wide enough variety of classes to have the word spread. I'm not saying that people haven't gotten up in front of classes regarding this issue, I don't know, just that it IS possible because it has been done many times before. Failing that, class reps could be encouraged to have a quick word at the start of a lecture.

irish_goat

mickstupp wrote: »

I wonder if we could get a kind of Town Crier, with a bell, Hear Ye Hear Ye! Walk through the various buildings on the hour every hour for a few weeks shouting out the news.

That would fall under Banquo's remit.

banquo

Sigh.

/puts on sandwichboard.

squishykins

On a lighter but related note, SPACE INVADER STEPS ROCK

Effluo

Any word on the online version, yet?

Is it something ye actually plan to do or, have things just got very busy of late?

The NUIM SU facebook page has nearly 5k friends + I'm sure using that the print would reach far more people if it was posted on-line.

banquo

Effluo wrote: »

Is it something ye actually plan to do or, have things just got very busy of late?

DEFINITELY THE SECOND ONE.

Also, I can't ftp from my office, which is a more-than-slight hindrance. Do you think putting the content up as one normally would on a website or putting up a PDF would be better?

Ms. Koi

I think because you can't ftp from the office, put up pdf's for the interim. I will still reach more people. When you can, ftp!

funky penguin

YEAH!!!!

**** THE POLICE!!!

Seren_

bbbbbamp

Didn't think it was necessary to start a new thread, maybe Monsieur Funky can edit the title? >_>

Got the new edition of The Print today, lookin' good Borders at the top of pages! <333 Also very useful clubs & socs timetable on the last page.

Easily the longest Letters to the Editors bit in my 4 years in Maynooth too, mostly to do with the protest. I'm in the picture on the front page, OH GOD

PrivateEye

Dying to see it Rob. Well done on getting another one out on time. Some man for one man.

XxMCRxBabyxX

Rob, we told you not to use flah with notGill's costume!
P.S. Passing off DCU students as Maynooth ones. Tut tut :P

banquo

Due to some last minute preposterousness, there are far too many problems with this issue for me to be happy with it tbh.

The next issue is the one we'll be submitting for paper of the year, so all hands on deck for anyone who wants to help! This will be my full time job for the next three weeks (as opposed to the ridiculous, ridiculous shift that usually is necessary before the deadline because all the stuff comes in within 24 hours).

XxMCRxBabyxX

banquo wrote: »

Due to some last minute preposterousness, there are far too many problems with this issue for me to be happy with it tbh.

The next issue is the one we'll be submitting for paper of the year, so all hands on deck for anyone who wants to help! This will be my full time job for the next three weeks (as opposed to the ridiculous, ridiculous shift that usually is necessary before the deadline because all the stuff comes in within 24 hours).

What date do you need articles in by? If I ever get this one written....

PrivateEye

Rob, I've a few little interesting bits I'll pass onto you. Get on the Facebook for a sec broseph.

Seren_

Pictorial evidence of someone dressed as Pedobear at the Halloween Ball ILUVIT!

I've been thinking of writing an article, gonna send an email about it...

XxMCRxBabyxX

Your Text Here wrote: »

Pictorial evidence of someone dressed as Pedobear at the Halloween Ball ILUVIT!

Ha ha! That was moggins! he looked pretty awesome too!

banquo

A good number of the articles are misattributed too, which is infuriating.

Ostrom

Where are these papers? I couldn't find the last issue either, didn't see any in the arts block or JH this morning, are they only available in the SU?

MoyVilla9

Papers were being handed out in the SU and the Arts Block.

Some good articles, but try and have page numbers on the next issue!

MoyVilla9

banquo wrote: »

Due to some last minute preposterousness, there are far too many problems with this issue for me to be happy with it tbh.

Well, looking on the bright side some of the last minute problems are just brilliant.

Articles on Spurs-Inter game.
Headline: Spurs Trounce European Champions
Sub-headline: Maynooth dominated possession for game
:P

banquo

Yoga are planning a trip to the Dáil too, which makes perfect sense.

banquo

MoyVilla9 wrote: »

Papers were being handed out in the SU and the Arts Block.

Some good articles, but try and have page numbers on the next issue!

The page numbers are technically on it (we used the template from the last issue which had them) but, because the files had to be moved to another computer at the 11th hour, are completely invisible. If anyone really, really wants an explanation for the lack of page numbers I could do a really technical YouTube video

banquo

efla wrote: »

Where are these papers? I couldn't find the last issue either, didn't see any in the arts block or JH this morning, are they only available in the SU?

A load got distributed yesterday and I'll be doing a few more later, few things to get out of the way first. This morning I've to:

*Organise receipts for student photographer we used during protest (few quid for a roll as a teeny reward)
*Finish a poster for the Londis
*Arrange a meeting for all The Print writers
*Put together an invoice
*Meet Broni for some planning
*Help a student with her laptop
*Get photos from David O' Doherty gig
*Phone XBox Ireland again to get some XBoxes for the bar
*Phone Apple to get an AppleTV for the bar

And then I'm off in my delivery boy hat

LeixlipRed

I hear the front page of this issue is quite controversial. I fear the words of the hack, quack, quack

PrivateEye

The letter on the bottom left hand side, praising former UCD SU President Paul Dillon on his letter to The Irish Times, is mine. The other letter is not mine. It has my name on it. Just to clarify this.

banquo

I'll post a full list of clarifications tomorrow.

Edit: And, time allowing, a corrected version online.

LeixlipRed

PrivateEye wrote: »

The letter on the bottom left hand side, praising former UCD SU President Paul Dillon on his letter to The Irish Times, is mine. The other letter is not mine. It has my name on it. Just to clarify this.

My post wasn't directed at you, just in case you thought it was. It's directed at yer wan as I'm now going to call her. Great work tonight, you give a fine speech. Next SU pres in the making Show up all the hacks for what they're worth, nada.

PrivateEye

Knew that LeixlipRed, no worries :cool: As I said, letter on the left is mine, and the opinion piece on Joeeeeee Duffy paintgate is mine too.

Next SU pres in the making

Bah! Decent speech is nothing if there's nobody to deliver it to too. It's the folks who poster that make those demos. Irish Times figure of 500 is excellent. Someone should do a piece for it for the next paper.

irish_goat

I'm sorry but what the heck is the Aidan Rowe tribute page/Lit and Debating soc "history"/injoke of the year about?

LeixlipRed

The opinion piece on the front page that continues on the page 4 by a poster on here and SU hack is a complete and utter disgrace. Rob, you should be ashamed that your name was put to that, that you allowed that take prominence in the paper.

I await the "digitisation" of this footage though :rolleyes:

XxMCRxBabyxX

LeixlipRed wrote: »

The opinion piece on the front page that continues on the page 4 by a poster on here and SU hack is a complete and utter disgrace. Rob, you should be ashamed that your name was put to that, that you allowed that take prominence in the paper.

I await the "digitisation" of this footage though :rolleyes:

Personally I thought it was very good and well done for printing it

LeixlipRed

How can you think someone's opinion is good? The front of any paper should contain factual pieces not some rant from someone who clearly has an issue with the direct action taken on Wednesday. Stick in the letters section at the back where it belongs.

XxMCRxBabyxX

LeixlipRed wrote: »

How can you think someone's opinion is good? The front of any paper should contain factual pieces not some rant from someone who clearly has an issue with the direct action taken on Wednesday. Stick in the letters section at the back where it belongs.

So opinion pieces aren't allowed in papers now?
And what's wrong with agreeing with a person's opinion? Of course I can think it's good if i want

LeixlipRed

That part was a joke. I just said it belonged in the back of the paper with the other opinion pieces.

mp3guy

My feedback on the second issue;

Obvious things, the text missing spaces and the lack of page numbers.
Pixelated photos of any sort look bad, at least when resizing use some cubic/bilinear filter.
"Kids' Corner" - There are no kids in the university and if some kids were reading it I don't think the xkcd comic at the end of the page is really targetted at children. Also on this page - Doodle Space, seems like a cop out to me.

Other than that it's grand, managed to distract me for a while.

PrivateEye

So opinion pieces aren't allowed in papers now?

Wasn't going to comment again on The Print, but just to give my view on the opinion/news debate.

The piece I wrote on Louise Minihan and Mary Harney was not a 'news' piece. It was an opinion piece. As such, it went into the opinion section. It is vitally important in any newspaper, student or otherwise, news coverage and opinion pieces are kept clearly seperated and distinguished.

The piece on page 4 was in a section clearly marked 'news'. There was little in the way of news reporting there. As an opinion piece, while I disagreed with it, it was perfectly fine and had as much right to go into the paper as anything else. It should have been ran in the same way Neil Frazer's piece was. Both should have been printed in the opinion section of the paper.

There is a fine line between news and opinion. Most of what I write for the paper is opinion. It also bears the name of the editor on page 4, and not the writer. By all accounts that appears to have been a mistake however.

I think passionate opinion pieces are good. There's a few people I'd have very different opinions to (Stephen Staines comes to mind last year) who were still great writers and whose pieces I read. I go to the opinion section to read them. Had they placed the piece on page 4 in the opinion section, it'd be a non-issue. I'll commend anyone who'll write as many words as Louise did for the thing. It's our paper, fill it up.

**scrap the rest of it, I'll go talk to Rob. I think it's a blip. If you've been in his office, you'll see his passion for this thing. There's a few things I'm peeved over (my name on another persons letter is a real howler I've been hearing about since Tuesday). The Print for college paper of the year 2010/11. Bring on issue 3. Once some of these issues are acknowledged openly in the next one I'm happy.

Seren_

mp3guy wrote: »

"Kids' Corner" - There are no kids in the university and if some kids were reading it I don't think the xkcd comic at the end of the page is really targetted at children.

Tbf, I assume the name Kids' Corner is meant to be ironic.

XxMCRxBabyxX

Your Text Here wrote: »

Tbf, I assume the name Kids' Corner is meant to be ironic.

I thought the same!

funky penguin

Thread title changed, PrivateEye's suggestion.

BarryDoodles

Printed in manchester? Outsourcing the paper aswell as tshirts?

banquo

They were the only ones that sold the product I wanted. Basically.

CnaG

When is the next one due out? As in, when is its deadline?

banquo

This coming Wednesday

funky penguin

Did you get my email Rob?

banquo

Not to communications@nuimsu? Did you send it to theprint@nuimsu?

funky penguin

Thought I sent it to com one.....I'll try again.

Norrdeth

Hey Rob, will the poems be going in the latest one?
Also did you get mine?

Ostrom

Still cant find them anywhere, any in the SU?