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Hodgson hasn't quit. Not Yet. Not Ever!
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If this forum had a whoosh smiley i would respond with it, lol.
Who considered managing you in the summer ? I even know the answer.Nobody would even look at the job with the current owners lol.Now is not then.Why does who i support matter when i say Hodgson shouldn't be your manager.
/whoosh smiley lol.
as i said, check out the pool forum.
i dinna care really who you support, twas just asking-your refusal to answer speaks volumes.
majority of pool fans ain't in a whooshy,smiley mood currently.:P0 -
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If this forum had a whoosh smiley i would respond with it, lol.
Who considered managing you in the summer ? I even know the answer.Nobody would even look at the job with the current owners lol.Now is not then.Why does who i support matter when i say Hodgson shouldn't be your manager.
/whoosh smiley lol.
The stupidity was changing manager at that time. We were never going to get a top class manager at that time. I think the Board actually thought they could, which explains a lot of what Rafa was up against, people with delusions of grandeur and a lot of fans suffered it too, Mourinho being touted by a few! LOL
We are now in a different scenario as you say. We don't need a caretaker, safe pair of hands owner now.
The next 5 games, if he gets that long, will be the final nail in his coffin. I'd be surprised if we get more than 7 points.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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gonzovision wrote: »That's a pretty broad sweeping statement in all fairness and I'm not sure I'd agree with that. There are plenty of English players that perform extremely well for their club, but perhaps not for their country, but that might have a lot to do with the current managerial situation of the national team.
You are a chelsea fan so if i said Cole was the only world class English player you have then you would respond with drivel which would get me banned if i responded so i will leave you in your world of quality english world class players.
The stupidity was changing manager at that time. We were never going to get a top class manager at that time. I think the Board actually thought they could, which explains a lot of what Rafa was up against, people with delusions of grandeur and a lot of fans suffered it too, Mourinho being touted by a few! LOL
We are now in a different scenario as you say. We don't need a caretaker, safe pair of hands owner now.
The next 5 games, if he gets that long, will be the final nail in his coffin. I'd be surprised if we get more than 7 points.
I think Masch was going regardless of who was manager so i really think you are over estimating the influence Rafa would have swayed regarding his previous seasons standing.Maybe Torres would have wanted out too if the style of play stayed the same ???So Rafa would have the same financial backing but lost another 2 world class players.
Your league standing would be how much higher ?Top 4 was easy until a challenge presented itself then you finished 7th...
Maybe just maybe he wasn't capable of the challenge ?0 -
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none of those jobs have any real expectation at all attached to them.
we don't know yet, for definite, how much of it is his fault. we can only go on what we've seen. and what we've seen is a style of football that is stunted, passive, lacking urgency and quality, and most importantly, a losing style of football. we've been outplayed by every team we've played this year, in the League anyway, bar Arsenal.
You don't know is right but Roy is getting the blame, How different is your performances this year compared to the end of last year.contrary to what many rival fans would have us believe, the team Rafa left us, while not the best team he had while in charge of us, is still a team and squad that should comfortably be top 8, and realistically should be top 6 if we don't get decimated by injuries..
But Roy doesn't have the Squad Rafa left does he, it's even weaker because a few left and were replaced with lesser players, is that Roys Fault or is it an indication of the resouces that were made available to him?
You are 6 points off sixth place thats two wins, I know that mathamatically thats not correct but you get my point, it's not a huge gap., I think Roy will close that gap and will get you up to mid table which realistically is where that squad should be.
BTW being a rival fan doesn't mean I am incapable of looking at a situation at any club and forming an unbiased opinion.City, Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal and Spurs are the only squads I see as definitively better than ours, and ones who it would be a bonus if we finished above them.
so for us to be 19th, while not a shining representation of Rafa's tenure, is far more of an inditement on Hodgson's approach IMO.
I agree but as I said earlier Roy is not working with the same quality Rafa had even at the end. Sacking him without giving him a fair chance to prove himself would be the wrong thing to do. I'm sure when he took the job he expected a fair crack of the whip . What message will sacking him send to other managers interested in the job, It certainly wouldn't encourage them to move from a secure enviroment .Considering he is the manager, am pretty sure all of it is.Isn't that how it works? No ?
No that's not how it works when starting out at a club with a poor squad inherited from his predecessor.He hasn't improved a poor squad who may have over achieved recently, who on selling a world class player had slumped to 7th with an almost identical squad.Then they sell another world class player and expectations are somewhat similar...So they have gone from 4 world class players performing somewhat to 3 world class players with only 1 performing to 2 world class players with neither performing...Am not counting Reina as keepers generally perform 95% of the time.Am saying none this season as the general consensus is Gerrard is still playing shíte ?
Thats rather unfair on him. None of those situations /players leaving is down to him plus he hasn't been given the money to replace these players with players of similar quality.So the club loses 50% of it's world class players and the other 2 are off form even more so now than then and yet you still have this expectation of what here ?I know Rafa is a lovechild around here but what could he do if Torres and Gerrard were as bad now as last season without Masch there ? I mean he finished 7th with all 3,why are the expectations so high ?
AgreedThat is rather silly tbh.
Of course the legacy matters. Why else did they pay £300 Million for the club?
They paid £300 million for the club because they were getting it on the cheap. It was a good investment on which they will make a very tasty profit at some stage down the road.0 -
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The Muppet wrote: »I dont want ye to keep him, I'd prefer if ye got someone else in because I'd like to see if they can do better with the current squad, I don't believe they would.
I don't think calling for him to be sacked after a few games is a senisble approach. Ye aren't going to win anything this year so why not give him a season to find his feet?
He'll never be good enough for Liverpool, so why waste time giving him until the end of the season. At least if we get rid now we still have a chance of EL.i dont get what youre asking?
both mid table premiership clubs
maybe sunderland have a bit more money to spend, but we dont know how much liverpool's new owners will invest. im honestly not sure what youre trying to get at? liverpools legacy doesnt count for much right now, so i wish people would stop talking about it
its the here and now that matters, ask notts forest supporters
Of course it matters. I'm pretty sure top players and top managers would pick Liverpool 100% of the time if they had to choose between us or Sunderland.The Muppet wrote: »You don't know is right but Roy is getting the blame, How different is your performances this year compared to the end of last year.
lol, end of last year we beat West ham 3-0, Burnley 4-0 and only lost to the 2 best teams in England. This year we've only beaten WBA by 1 goal, lost to Blackpool, Everton, United and City. Yep, no difference at all really.But Roy doesn't have the Squad Rafa left does he, it's even weaker because a few left and were replaced with lesser players, is that Roys Fault or is it an indication of the resouces that were made available to him?
Of course it's Roy's fault, he's the manager. Even still, a under-performing that finished 7th and loses Mascherano should not suddenly turn into relegation material.You are 6 points off sixth place thats two wins, I know that mathamatically thats not correct but you get my point, it's not a huge gap., I think Roy will close that gap and will get you up to mid table which realistically is where that squad should be.
We should be challenging for EL spots, easily.BTW being a rival fan doesn't mean I am incapable of looking at a situation at any club and forming an unbiased opinion.
Being the Muppet does though.I agree but as I said earlier Roy is not working with the same quality Rafa had even at the end. Sacking him without giving him a fair chance to prove himself would be the wrong thing to do. I'm sure when he took the job he expected a fair crack of the whip . What message will sacking him send to other managers interested in the job, It certainly wouldn't encourage them to move from a secure enviroment .
It will send the message don't apply for the job if you don't think your up to it. I don't want anybody managing Liverpool who has the attitude "Not sure If i should take this job, I mean if I'm in relegation after 8 games I might get sacked" :rolleyes:No that's not how it works when starting out at a club with a poor squad inherited from his predecessor.
A poor squad who finished 7th which was deemed unacceptable and he was sacked for it?Thats rather unfair on him. None of those situations /players leaving is down to him plus he hasn't been given the money to replace these players with players of similar quality.
All the players he has brought in have been lolbad though.0 -
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steelcityblues wrote: »Lou Macari, the useless former manager and die hard Utd fan, defending Roy Hodgson, the useless current manager of Liverpool FC on the Today FM phone-in earlier!
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Chucky the tree wrote: »
Of course it's Roy's fault, he's the manager. Even still, a under-performing that finished 7th and loses Mascherano should not suddenly turn into relegation material.
Just to Claify this Point, Rafa had a poor squad because the owners would not give him enough money in the last few years to improve it. Rafa is sacked and Roy inherits his squad minus a fee players who were leaving anyway and the poor squad is Roys fault.
I think this highlights how pool fans are being unfair to Roy, It's really an illogical argument.
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