Hodgson hasn't quit. Not Yet. Not Ever!

It's win-win really.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

I don't get what's funny about that?

I wouldn't pay much attention tbh, he was bragging about singing Hysel songs yesterday, enough said.

The Muppet

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Anyway, lol at all the Utd fans coming in to tell us what's what. This will be resolved soon. Hodgson will earn his P45 without any help from the fans.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They'll bring in someone different in the summer. Unless Hodgson keeps winning like this. Which I don't see. But hey, would have no problem being wrong on that score!

Anyone fancy a spot the difference competition?

Mr Alan

Jesus, you suck at posting The Muppet.

I would have thought someone of your reputation would have it down after all these years of hard work.

But thats awful stuff from you.

There is no contradiction.

LL said in post one that Roy will earn his P45 himself ie: with **** performances & results.

Then in post 2 he says he thinks he will be gone in the summer (presumably the introduction of someone to oversee transfers at the club means the urgency to remove him asap rather than risk him signing more Poulsons is gone and it quite likely that NESV will be "quite" patient).

He then goes onto clarify that'll only change if we keep winning & playing well like we did yesterday. And if we do, he will be happy to admit he was wrong.

There is no contradiction there whatsoever.

****s sake. Try harder.

The Muppet

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They'll bring in someone different in the summer. Unless Hodgson keeps winning like this. Which I don't see. But hey, would have no problem being wrong on that score!

Mr Alan wrote: »

Jesus, you suck at posting The Muppet.

I would have thought someone of your reputation would have it down after all these years of hard work.

But thats awful stuff from you.

There is no contradiction.

LL said in post one that Roy will earn his P45 himself ie: with **** performances & results.

Then in post 2 he says he thinks he will be gone in the summer (presumably the introduction of someone to oversee transfers at the club means the urgency to remove him asap rather than risk him signing more Poulsons means it quite likely that NESV will be "quite" patient).

He then goes onto clarify that'll only change if we keep winning & playing well like we did yesterday. And if we do, he will be happy to admit he was wrong.

There is no contradiction there whatsoever.

****s sake. Try harder.

Being called by you AL is like being mauled by a big cuddly St Bernard.:p

eagle eye

So 13 PL games down and you are 2 points off of 7th place which is what most people were saying they hoped for and expected. A steadying of the ship if you will.

Mr Alan

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Comical.

The Recliner

eagle eye wrote: »

So 13 PL games down and you are 2 points off of 7th place which is what most people were saying they hoped for and expected. A steadying of the ship if you will.

Have you watched any of our games this season?

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

So 13 PL games down and you are 2 points off of 7th place which is what most people were saying they hoped for and expected. A steadying of the ship if you will.

Is that the best you can do??

Very disappointing tbh

eagle eye

The Recliner wrote: »

Have you watched any of our games this season?

Yes, too many of them tbh. Including your last six which iirc were 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss. And included a win over Chelsea last weekend.

mike65

eagle eye is Roy your dad?

herbieflowers

Why is it that when a team wins, the majority of the credit goes to the players? (Chelsea)

Yet when a team underperforms, the manager bears the brunt of the stick? (Stoke)

The Recliner

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, too many of them tbh. Including your last six which iirc were 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss. And included a win over Chelsea last weekend.

And would you deem the performances in those games as acceptable?

K-9

We had 20 points at this stage last season and were 7th but that isn't the point.

We'd scored 29 goals but conceded 20.

It's scored 13 and conceded 17 now.

Says it all really.

Mr Alan

herbieflowers wrote: »

Why is it that when a team wins, the majority of the credit goes to the players? (Chelsea)

Yet when a team underperforms, the manager bears the brunt of the stick? (Stoke)

In fairness a lot of Roys biggest critics gave him credit for setting the team up the right way against Chelsea, while also admitting we were lucky to keep a clean sheet after we sat back off them and allowed them all of the ball.

d22ontour

mike65 wrote: »

eagle eye is Roy your dad?

His dad ? Fook that...

Either he is Roy on an alt or his surgically removed conjoined twin.

eagle eye

The Recliner wrote: »

And would you deem the performances in those games as acceptable?

Its about results not performances.

If a team gains 10 points from every 5 games they are going to have a very good season.

K-9

eagle eye wrote: »

Its about results not performances.

If a team gains 10 points from every 5 games they are going to have a very good season.

Kind of stating the obvious, but we haven't being doing that bar the last 5!

I'd say the next 5 will seal his fate either way, like Ince.

Blackhorse Slim

This season we have averaged 1.23 pts per game.

Extrapolated over 38 games that makes 46 points, 47 if you round up.

That's not even a good season for Fulham.

The Recliner

eagle eye wrote: »

Its about results not performances.

If a team gains 10 points from every 5 games they are going to have a very good season.

It is about both and neither have been good enough

10 points from every 5 games my arse, very selective, we have 16 points from 13 games and have been muck to watch

mike65

http://twitter.com/paul_tomkins is certainly aggitating against RH

Mr.Nice Guy

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

This season we have averaged 1.23 pts per game.

Extrapolated over 38 games that makes 46 points, 47 if you round up.

That's not even a good season for Fulham.

There's so many flaws in that argument one doesn't know where to begin. Bolton have averaged 1.46 points per game so far and extrapolated over 38 games that would make 55 points. I guess Bolton are therefore dead certs to be fighting for the European places by the end of the season?

Sack Hodgson and get Coyle in pronto!

d22ontour

I just hope this thread offers as much humour as the Rafa one did and doesn't get locked before it ends in tears of joy/sadness, depending on your viewpoint on the subject.

eagle eye

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Sack Hodgson and get Coyle in pronto!

Personally I'd do that. I think Owen Coyle is the best young manager in the league.

K-9

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

There's so many flaws in that argument one doesn't know where to begin. Bolton have averaged 1.46 points per game so far and extrapolated over 38 games that would make 55 points. I guess Bolton are therefore dead certs to be fighting for the European places by the end of the season?

Sack Hodgson and get Coyle in pronto!

He'd be an upgrade tbh!

At least it would be reasonably attractive football I'd be watching!

Hail 2 Da Thief

mike65 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/paul_tomkins is certainly aggitating against RH

He's followed on twitter by John Henry too!

Mr Alan

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

He's followed on twitter by John Henry too!

He's also one of the fans Henry has met with, he's a fan of Tomkins statistical analysis of the game.

K-9

Mr Alan wrote: »

He's also one of the fans Henry has met with, he's a fan of Tomkins statistical analysis of the game.

His new book would be right up Henry's street!

Tomkins is very pro Rafa but speaks some sense too!

d22ontour

K-9 wrote: »

Tomkins is very pro Rafa but speaks some sense too!

Having read some of his articles, he seems to come across as a mainstream brian reade, full of shíte that the rawk masses soak up.Having the voice of the silent owners indulging his twitter comes across as what exactly ? Their understanding of the club at heart or a mere publicity stunt to show they 'get' what the club used to be about ?
I think some of you go beyond belief at times with the daily soap offerings your club gives.

ShamoBuc

d22ontour wrote: »

I think some of you go beyond belief at times with the daily soap offerings your club gives.

Thats the problem! Time for change!

K-9

d22ontour wrote: »

Having read some of his articles, he seems to come across as a mainstream brian reade, full of shíte that the rawk masses soak up.Having the voice of the silent owners indulging his twitter comes across as what exactly ? Their understanding of the club at heart or a mere publicity stunt to show they 'get' what the club used to be about ?
I think some of you go beyond belief at times with the daily soap offerings your club gives.

Huh, I criticised Tomkins!

steelcityblues

The guy seems to actually rate Maxi Rodriguez!:eek:

Liam O

steelcityblues wrote: »

The guy seems to actually rate Maxi Rodriguez!:eek:

who was a great player before he landed in Stevie's...oh sorry Hodgson's team.

Leiva

Roy ain't never gonna quit but I think it's obvious after the Stoke game that it's only a matter before that decision is taken out of his hands .


Sooner the better me thinks .

Handsome Bob

d22ontour wrote: »

Having read some of his articles, he seems to come across as a mainstream brian reade, full of shíte that the rawk masses soak up.Having the voice of the silent owners indulging his twitter comes across as what exactly ? Their understanding of the club at heart or a mere publicity stunt to show they 'get' what the club used to be about ?
I think some of you go beyond belief at times with the daily soap offerings your club gives.

I suggest that you read Lawrenson's piece in the same paper every Saturday to see an article that really IS full of ****e.

Reade and Tomkins have always put together very reasonable and convincing arguments in spite of their supposed bias.

Leiva

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I suggest that you read Lawrenson's piece in the same paper every Saturday to see an article that really IS full of ****e.

Reade and Tomkins have always put together very reasonable and convincing arguments in spite of their supposed bias.

What did Lawrenson write ?

Handsome Bob

mixednuts wrote: »

What did Lawrenson write ?

I just mean in general, he writes muck every week.

Nuri Sahin

Liam O wrote: »

who was a great player before he landed in Stevie's...oh sorry Hodgson's team.

Great player!?

He was a very good player on his day but highly inconsistent for the most part in his Atletico days. I say that as Maxi fan since I saw him in 2005 too.

Consistency has always been his biggest issue and still is.

Leiva

Link from Tomkins tweet...

A few weeks back, someone emailed me a list of Roy Hodgson’s PR gaffes, to put onto this site. I decided against using them, thinking it might be seen as unfair, but they do paint the picture of a man who underestimated the pressure at Liverpool FC, and who has looked hopelessly out of his depth.

There have been moments of good humour from the boss, but mostly it’s been spikiness and a desire to protect his own reputation before that of his players.

This is not intended as a personal attack, simply a demonstration of a man who appears to have bitten off more than he can chew.



I haven’t included his more recent gaffes; there appear to be enough here, in what was sent to me.

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/boss-we-ll-rise-to-challenge

29 July 2010 – “It’s a massive step up.”

(Describing the challenge facing the squad he took to Macedonia. A squad that included Cavalieri, Soto, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani, Lucas, Jovanovic and N’Gog.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-overhaul

30 July 2010 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said the squad is in need of a major overhaul,” said the boss. “We need to add one or two players to the team.

“It is important we keep the nucleus from last season and a nucleus of players who are maybe just behind the first team.”

Contrast with:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reflects-on-summer-deals

9 September 2010 – “We should be very happy [with summer dealings].” “We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are overstaffed.”

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6473926,00.html

29 October 2010 – “There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.”

and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8097807/Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-insists-Pepe-Reina-and-Fernando-Torres-will-not-be-sold.html

29 October 2010 – “I do not want to be taking people’s leftovers. We have got those type of players ourselves. If we are going to improve, we need better.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-no-striker-regrets

10 September 2010 – “I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.” “We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker.” “I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.” (Saying he didn’t regret not signing a striker in the summer.)

Contrast with:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/10/31/2191550/roy-hodgson-stresses-need-to-bring-in-strikers-in-january-as

31 October 2010 – “A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.”

“In training, I can’t have practice games where each team plays a 4-4-2 because I don’t have the front players to do that.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/forget-man-city-warns-hodgson

25 August 2010 – “I thought for long periods of the game it was fairly even and both teams passed the ball fairly well in the middle of the park. But the difference, as in all games, is goals.” (After Man City 3-0 loss. Simply not an accurate reflection of the game.)

* * *

Describing the Trabzonspor win as “a famous victory”.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2010/10/04/liverpool-boss-roy-hodgson-admits-current-relegation-battle/30690/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-01/liverpool-manager-roy-hodgson-hails-famous-win-to-end-barren-away-run.html

“Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010,”

* * *

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-claims-to-know-nothing-about-Loic-Remy-article528957.html

16 July 2010 – “He’s a player I know very little about.” (About French international striker, Loïc Rémy.)

* * *

4 October 2010 – “There are 31 games left, but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.” (After Blackpool defeat.)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/language_tips/bbc/offthepitch/2010-10/05/content_11378535.htm

“Unfortunately, when you give yourself an uphill task with a 0-2 you’ve got to expect it’s going to be very difficult in the second half against a team of Blackpool’s quality.”

Liverpool hadn’t lost a home game to a promoted side since 1999.

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-no-david-vs-goliath

16 September 2010 – “You don’t play in the Europa League to play against poor opponents.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-show-us-you-are-lfc-class

22 September 2010 – “They’ll be a formidable challenge – there’s no question about that.” (About Northampton Town. Who were at the time 17th in the 4th tier of English football.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-view-on-cup-defeat

23 September 2010 – “Northampton were clearly better than one would have expected from a team playing where they play.” And on 18-year-old Shelvey’s debut…. “He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-reaction-to-2-2-draw

26 September 2010 – “…in many ways it was the performance we wanted.”

“I think over the 90 minutes we were certainly more than worth the point we got.” (After dreadful Sunderland performance. A team we had dispatched 3-0 the previous year.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reacts-to-utrecht-draw

1 October – “So it’s a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It’s the first time we haven’t won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we’d won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result.” (After Utrecht 0-0. They’re not even in the top 100 European clubs by UEFA coefficient.)

* * *

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-left-raging-after-an-insulting-question-from-a-journalist-about-his-training-methods-article593189.html

2 October 2010 – “What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-everton-verdict-1

17 October 2010, after 2-0 defeat at Everton “This was always going to be a difficult game to win.” (It wasn’t for the previous two Reds’ managers.)

“To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia.”

“I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2010/10/21/liverpool-fc-manager-roy-hodgson-fears-man-utd-move-for-fernando-torres-100252-27515832/

21 October 2010, responding to alleged interest from Manchester United in Torres – “With Torres, I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” said Hodgson. “There will always be speculation.

“When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be a position to target a lot of players around the world.

“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted.

“I am not naive to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres.”

* * *

“I hope we don’t get beaten too heavily” … before the friendly with Al Hilal

“I hope we don’t get beaten 6-0” … before the Man City game.

* * *

Do you think, Torres is more suiteable to playing alone, or with a striking partner?

RH: “I don’t know.”

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SlickRic

Roy, Roy, Roy.

just fúcking well go.

that is all.

Pep despises your regime, which is enough for me to want you gone.

but there's so much more; all of which i've said before, and won't bother again.

the 'Gerrard Show' against Napoli bought you time off me. the Chelsea performance even more so.

but all of it just papers over enormous cracks.

you're still out of your depth. you're still a stopgap that hasn't succeeded. you still can't really get alongside Liverpool fans, and still manage to alienate them, probably without even realising it.

simply put, you're still not good enough, and if NESV can find that suitable manager who will start putting in place the pieces that will turn this club round, then you really need to go.

i have every faith that John Henry is not a stupid man, and can see that Hodgson is not the immediate future of this club, let alone anything close to a long-term future.

opr

mike65 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/paul_tomkins is certainly aggitating against RH

He is really gunning for him to go and trying to heap on the misery while its a good time to strike. Just posted an article called "The Unbearable Deepness of Defending"

He also just posted a load of Roy's media debacles with links on his site.

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/hodgson-putting-the-gaffe-in-gaffer/

Opr

herbieflowers

Mr Alan wrote: »

In fairness a lot of Roys biggest critics gave him credit for setting the team up the right way against Chelsea, while also admitting we were lucky to keep a clean sheet after we sat back off them and allowed them all of the ball.

Fair enough, I always find the criticims a bit disproportionate, irrespective of club. A team wins and it's all "x played well" more than "the manager got it right".

Heard the performance was woeful yesterday but saw the highlights. Tbh two avoidable goals, horrible individual errors, Roy can't be blamed for that (though I accept that he is responsible for perhaps getting the team / tactics wrong).

ricero

il give him another 3 games if we dont at least get 7 points from our next 3 he should walk

**** off Roy Hodgson.

mixednuts

mixednuts wrote: »

Link from Tomkins tweet...

http://bit.ly/a77pXr

He's actually quite dim when you read through all those.

ricero

im just thinking if city were to sack Mancini would you like him to take the lfc job ? being honest my dream manager would be the Gus hiddink

ricero

ricero wrote: »

im just thinking if city were to sack Mancini would you like him to take the lfc job ? being honest my dream manager would be the Gus hiddink

Mancini - no thanks.

Hiddink would be a fantastic choice alright

Dont be at yourself

ricero wrote: »

il give him another 3 games if we dont at least get 7 points from our next 3 he should walk

A lot of people said that before the Wigan game. Wigan-Stoke-West Ham, and the maximum we can take is 4 points.

LuckyLloyd

As always, the opinion of opposition fans / people not watching the games closely are utterly irrelevant. Just finished watching the full 90 minute horror show there.

We'll have a new manager by next summer at the very latest. Hodgson has been shown up for what he is: a journeyman with a patchy record lacking the necessary skills to succeed at the very highest levels of the game. Cool - like Staunton, I don't blame him for accepting the job offer.

At the risk of labouring the point: the disparity of the press reaction to Hodgson's performance in contrast to their assessment of Benitez is utterly disgraceful. The English football media are xenophobic fools.

Hodgson continues to dig his own hole.

TechnoPool

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

A lot of people said that before the Wigan game. Wigan-Stoke-West Ham, and the maximum we can take is 4 points.

just about to say that myself