Honda Accord Diesel Problems...

Gazza09

I own a 2004 Honda accord 2.2 Diesel, just had the turbo changed and now have to do the timing chain, injectors, VSA module and manifold...personally i think honda should cover the cost of the VSA module as its a fault THEY made with it...its a safety feature in the car which should work properly! Was at honda they sent away a claim to honda for the timing chain, injectors and the manifold but not for the module which costs around €1400, i was told that there was talk of them extending the warrenty and to hold on for a while...

Any advice or help anybody has would be much appreciated, Thanks!

Bjorn Bored.

cant offer any advice but only an observation, wasnt this the first honda diesel engine? i know its a cracking unit but maybe they hadnt the experience or refinement as say a toyota or a vw, in that regard i certainly would feel you should be entitled to some sort of a goodwill gesture towards the repairs,just my feeling on it. good luck.

ltdslipdiff

I do believe that in general Honda are being pretty good about contributing on the chain/injector problem even on cars well out of warranty, but they do insist (especially on UK imports) that there is a full Honda Service history.

Gazza09

Well the car has 4 honda service's and two from a mazda garage from the person that owned the car before me....from here on in tho i'll be puting honda services on it as I have done with my previous cars. thanks for the replys...

pajo1981

Gazz, did you create a new account just to give out about your honda?

Aren't honda engines supposed to be 'bullet proof' - as honda owners keep reminding me :rolleyes: ?

pajo1981

pajo1981 wrote: »

Gazz, did you create a new account just to give out about your honda?

Aren't honda engines supposed to be 'bullet proof' - as honda owners keep reminding me :rolleyes: ?

Petrol ones are, no such thing as a bullet proof modern diesel really, too much to go wrong. I'd take a direct injection, non DMF, non DPF diesel over a modern one anyday unless I had thousands stashed away for maintenance.

gibbon75

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd take a direct injection, non DMF, non DPF diesel over a modern one anyday unless I had thousands stashed away for maintenance.

+1

I'd say it is a good indication that Honda totally redesigned its diesel engine for 2009...
I recommend for the OP (and every Honda diesel owner)the get a new fanbelt as well.It has been modified by Honda and upon fitting the belt one of the pulleys needs to be left out (the new belt is shorter to compensate this).
The old setup is tend to be too tight and puts extreme tension on the alternator pulley.
This tension can wear out the freewheel pulley and the front bearing inside the alternator.

Topdeck

RoverJames wrote: »

Petrol ones are, no such thing as a bullet proof modern diesel really, too much to go wrong. I'd take a direct injection, non DMF, non DPF diesel over a modern one anyday unless I had thousands stashed away for maintenance.

I agree.I have an 03 petrol accord with 108,000 miles that never gives any trouble.would love to get a more economical diesel car but would probably work out more expensive to run keeping up with the maintenence.

Green Hornet

Topdeck wrote: »

I agree.I have an 03 petrol accord with 108,000 miles that never gives any trouble.would love to get a more economical diesel car but would probably work out more expensive to run keeping up with the maintenence.

I dont know about that. The Accord diesel rarely gives issues. A lot of the diesel issues seem to be Audi or VW related from what I can see.

Green Hornet

Green Hornet wrote: »

I dont know about that. The Accord diesel rarely gives issues. A lot of the diesel issues seem to be Audi or VW related from what I can see.

Early ones are not troublefree compared to their petrol siblings. Don't forget about Fords and any other crowd who have a DMF for diesel issues, the DMF will leave many families without a summer holiday in the coming years me thinks. Bit of an unexpected surprise for folk when they get a bill of over a grand for a clutch.

Zubeneschamali

Green Hornet wrote: »

The Accord diesel rarely gives issues

Have you noticed the title of this thread? :rolleyes:

run_Forrest_run

RoverJames wrote: »

Early ones are not troublefree compared to their petrol siblings. Don't forget about Fords and any other crowd who have a DMF for diesel issues, the DMF will leave many families without a summer holiday in the coming years me thinks. Bit of an unexpected surprise for folk when they get a bill of over a grand for a clutch.

sorry, I'm green to all of this, what's a DMF?

Zubeneschamali

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

sorry, I'm green to all of this, what's a DMF?

Dual Mass Flywheel.

To make a rattly diesel smoother, the flywheel is in two bits with rubber in between, to dampen vibration.

Only the rubber bits perish and disintegrate around 100,000 miles, and a replaceemnt costs €2500, or some mad number like that.

bladespin

RoverJames wrote: »

Early ones are not troublefree compared to their petrol siblings. Don't forget about Fords and any other crowd who have a DMF for diesel issues, the DMF will leave many families without a summer holiday in the coming years me thinks. Bit of an unexpected surprise for folk when they get a bill of over a grand for a clutch.

A grand??? That's incredibly steep don't you think, had one done for €400 in the not so distant past.

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

sorry, I'm green to all of this, what's a DMF?

Dual mass flywheel.

TBH I see no difference in the maintenance costs for one fuel type over another, serviceing costs are very similar, repairs are the same, for every horror story (either side) there's 10, 'never gave any trouble' testimonials.

run_Forrest_run

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Dual Mass Flywheel.

To make a rattly diesel smoother, the flywheel is in two bits with rubber in between, to dampen vibration.

Only the rubber bits perish and disintegrate around 100,000 miles, and a replaceemnt costs €2500, or some mad number like that.

ah I see. very clever on behalf of the manufacturers, keep the engine nice and quiet whilst ensuring future revenue from replacement DMF - do they just replace the rubber or the entire wheel?

OK, so that's DMF added to my list of things to watch out for in diesels, the other TLA (three letter acronym:)) being DPF.
I'm thinking of buying my first diesel but the more I hear about these things I may stick with petrol...who knows!

Green Hornet

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Have you noticed the title of this thread? :rolleyes:

Yes. I can read. I'm merely saying that it's unusual for the Accord diesel to give issues.

bladespin

bladespin wrote: »

A grand??? That's incredibly steep don't you think, had one done for €400 in the not so distant past.

What did you get done for €400 ? Also what make and model car was it for ?

BrianD3

The petrol Accord seems to be reliable but the Civic hatch has been doing badly in reliability statistics for a few years i.e. since the current model was introduced. The Jazz also has a patchy performance in the ADAC breakdown statistics and as few/no Jazzs are diesel, it can't fall back on the diesel excuse.

Then when you look at Honda's warranty - used to be one of the best around but a 3 year/100k kms warranty is nothing to shout about these days.

Anyone who pays a premium for a newish Honda because they think all Hondas are bulletproof is a bit misguided. In general I've found Honda owners tend to be smug but uninformed types who like to waffle about the "superior engineering" of their cars while looking down their noses at otehr marques.

G1032

RoverJames wrote: »

Bit of an unexpected surprise for folk when they get a bill of over a grand for a clutch.

bladespin wrote: »

A grand??? That's incredibly steep don't you think, had one done for €400 in the not so distant past.

€400??
The clutch kit alone for my Mondeo was over €900..................

bladespin

RoverJames wrote: »

What did you get done for €400 ? Also what make and model car was it for ?

ronaldochokes wrote: »

€400??
The clutch kit alone for my Mondeo was over €900..................

Ford Mondeo TDCI, friend in the UK done it.

BTW (not sure of these guys) but Ebay

bladespin

bladespin wrote: »

Ford Mondeo TDCI, friend in the UK done it.

BTW (not sure of these guys) but Ebay

400 sterling of parts and labour will come to a grand at least

bladespin

RoverJames wrote: »

400 sterling of parts and labour will come to a grand at least

€400, parts included, labour was free (did it himself).

Edit, he may have gotten a good deal as he was also buying a water pump, starter motor, belts new brake disks etc, done the complete job, that's why I bought it off him lol. He went off to buy a Mazda 6 diesel, I tried to warn him, at least he can fix it himself.

bladespin

bladespin wrote: »

€400, parts included, labour was free (did it himself).

Edit, he may have gotten a good deal as he was also buying a water pump, starter motor, belts new brake disks etc, done the complete job, that's why I bought it off him lol. He went off to buy a Mazda 6 diesel, I tried to warn him, at least he can fix it himself.

Sweet Jesus, you post a link to parts to the value of £400 and then mention that the labour was free as he did it himself. For Joe Soap wandering into a garage they will be charged €1000+.

G1032

RoverJames wrote: »

Sweet Jesus, you post a link to parts to the value of £400 and then mention that the labour was free as he did it himself. For Joe Soap wandering into a garage they will be charged €1000+.

Ya. Labour cost me €300 for a total clutch replacement bill of €1200.

A neighbour of mine got the same job done and it cost him €1600. But AFAIK he went through Ford.

Also, have met another lad at work since, who paid €1500 for his Mondeo clutch replacement.

My car was a 02 reg and the other guys both 03 regs.

bladespin

RoverJames wrote: »

Sweet Jesus, you post a link to parts to the value of £400 and then mention that the labour was free as he did it himself. For Joe Soap wandering into a garage they will be charged €1000+.

Sorry James but I only posted the link for an example, it wasn't where the parts in my car came from (that I know of). €600 to fit a clutch is TD type money IMO. I was usprised at the cost quoted, hence my reply, I was only asking if that was steep, maybe not but I've never heard of a DMF costing that much, I'm familiar with Mondeo, Alfa and VW. ( But I also wouldn't know too many who would go to a Main dealer for the work either). I've seen €650 supplied and fitted for an Isuzu trooper also (former company car, second hand part).

Zubeneschamali

bladespin wrote: »

I've seen €650 supplied and fitted for an Isuzu trooper also (former company car, second hand part).

Yes, you can save money buying second hand parts, doing the work yourself if you're a mechanic and so on, but the actual cost of paying a garage to fit a new clutch with DMF is going to be €1000+.

bladespin

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, you can save money buying second hand parts, doing the work yourself if you're a mechanic and so on, but the actual cost of paying a garage to fit a new clutch with DMF is going to be €1000+.

Not nesessarily, as stated, a new clutch for about €480 and the mechanics time after that, €520 would sound quite steep.

Again as I stated originally I don't see how that's so much more that getting the clutch replaced in a petrol car.

All in all, ye're making me feel quite smug about the deal I got (had no idea it was that good lol.) from what you're saying I got the rest of the car pretty much for free he he.

bladespin

bladespin wrote: »

Again as I stated originally I don't see how that's so much more that getting the clutch replaced in a petrol car.

they don't have DMFs

Green Hornet

Am I right in saying that it's rare for a DMF issue with the Accord? Seems to be mostly VAG?

bladespin

RoverJames wrote: »

they don't have DMFs

No but a clutch replacement is quite expensive all the same. :P

Leonard Hofstadter

Green Hornet wrote: »

Am I right in saying that it's rare for a DMF issue with the Accord? Seems to be mostly VAG?

DMFs are an issue with any modern diesel, though VAG(unsurprisingly) are more prone to DMF failure than others.

On any large sized car, the cure for this problem is called an automatic gearbox;)!