The lotterys fixed?

dimejinky9

ok, a mate just left KPMG and told me the lotto is rigged, this is how apparently,

the machines go around the country go off at 7 or 730 which gives them time to determine which combinations of numbers havent been played by anybody and which have been played, that then determines what numbers go into the drum.

its not filmed live, they have 2 different sets of balls, one set with magnets in and one with none, and the 7 numbers they want drawn are put in with the magnets inside, the rest obviously are ordinary balls, the sucker yoke that pulls the balls out actually has another magnet in it as well so they obviously get to choose which numbers come out and pretty much when its won or when to let it roll over...they 'fix' it in the run up to every bank holiday weekend especially, letting it roll over in the weeks prior, and using statistics, selecting the numbers that come up most often in effect choosing a winner.

it's simple when you look at it. I see it but i'm not sure i'm buying it?

iPlop

I would not like to believe this and I don't but you have to remember the "lottery" is a business and it has revenue targets to meet so i wouldn't be suprised ,but if that were the case I would believe that your mate would have to be the CEO or CFO to keep that quiet tbh.;)

amacachi

If they were going to cheat they'd change the weight of the balls to make the numbers 40 and up less likely to come out. It wouldn't rule out winners but would significantly disimprove the odds of winners as a lot of people do the same numbers they did when there were only 39 balls.

Yitzhak Rabin

I don't know whether or not this is true. But one thing is for sure... I am bloody sick of not winning the lottery! :mad:

antodeco

I strongly believe its fixed. Its the same with each bank holiday/holiday. It seems to be rolling over a hell of a lot more since the euromillions have come out. It also always rolls up to a bank holiday/public holiday so they add the million to it. Ive been saying to people that I expected the lotto to hit €20 million this year. If it hits €20 million, lotto get a revenue of around €80 - €100 million (they got €60 million when it hit €15 million last time).

Its also a way of getting more people playing it. Generally the same people always play the lotto, so the revenue generated is always around the same. By bringing it up more, more people "buy" into it, so revenue is increased. A certain percentage of these people will then continue to play, thus increasing the standard revenue they were always getting.

Carra23

I have been saying it's some how rigged for a long time but my theory is based on the fact that if you do a quick pick say of two lines , 9/10 times you will get at least one number on both lines. I know this wont gaurentee no winner but it just reduces the chances. If you've got 3 on both your lines and 3 doesn't come out your lines are dead. Coupled with the OP's theory it would be very easy to rig.

I'd say the government make a fortune from it brcause as it rolls over I'd say the money spent on it probably close to doubles yet they only add on 1.3 mill eache roll over ?

Not sure who said it but may have been some economist , that the lotto is just an extra tax on the poor people who play and he was spoton

gizmo

Rigged or not, some bloke just won €16,390,239 in tonight's Lotto.

Carra23

gizmo wrote: »

Rigged or not, some bloke just won €16,390,239 in tonight's Lotto.

Ah balls was hopin for another shot Wednesday !

mikemac

dimejinky9 wrote: »

ok, a mate just left KPMG and told me the lotto is rigged, this is how apparently,

the machines go around the country go off at 7 or 730 which gives them time to determine which combinations of numbers havent been played by anybody and which have been played, that then determines what numbers go into the drum.

7:45, so 15 minutes before the draw.
Does your mate even know what time they stop the draw? Any shop assistant could tell you. Your mate knows less about the lotto then most people.

its not filmed live, they have 2 different sets of balls, one set with magnets in and one with none, and the 7 numbers they want drawn are put in with the magnets inside, the rest obviously are ordinary balls, the sucker yoke that pulls the balls out actually has another magnet in it as well so they obviously get to choose which numbers come out and pretty much when its won or when to let it roll over...they 'fix' it in the run up to every bank holiday weekend especially, letting it roll over in the weeks prior, and using statistics, selecting the numbers that come up most often in effect choosing a winner.

You're saying they can organize all this in 15 minutes? You have from 7:45 until 8pm to get all this done.
And you say it's not filmed live so they need to sort the balls, record the entire draw and then submit it to RTÉ in less then 15 minutes? It would be easier to just film it live

todolist

I wouldn't be surprised if it was rigged.The old Irish Sweep turned out to be a total fraud and a fix.Most of the tickets sold in The United States were dumped and never entered into the draw.Maybe years from now there will be stories about how the Lotto was fixed.

Kernel

I remember the first time they did the limited ticket 'millionaire' draw at the Rose of Tralee. Turned out someone from Tralee who was in the crowd at the time won. I was like........"Damn?"

muincav

antodeco wrote: »

I strongly believe its fixed. Its the same with each bank holiday/holiday. It seems to be rolling over a hell of a lot more since the euromillions have come out. It also always rolls up to a bank holiday/public holiday so they add the million to it. Ive been saying to people that I expected the lotto to hit €20 million this year. If it hits €20 million, lotto get a revenue of around €80 - €100 million (they got €60 million when it hit €15 million last time).

Its also a way of getting more people playing it. Generally the same people always play the lotto, so the revenue generated is always around the same. By bringing it up more, more people "buy" into it, so revenue is increased. A certain percentage of these people will then continue to play, thus increasing the standard revenue they were always getting.

I totally agree with you-my mates and I have been saying for years that the Lottery allways rolls over for a few weeks prior to a bank holiday weekend, so as to draw in more and more money-take last week for instance, it was supposed to hit 15 mill no problem but was below it which meant the Lottery only added the bare 1.3 mill which makes you wonder what did they do with all the extra money that was gambled away last week..Im sure it wont all go to good causes...
Anybody with half a brain has noticed this roll over fix for the last few years and not just on this thread-:mad:

gizmo

Regarding the roll over issue, just throwing this out there but has anyone ever considered that there is simply less people playing in the weeks preceding the bank holiday jackpots in anticipation for the larger jackpot?

newmug

Of course its fixed. Every bank-hol weekend, Christmas time, at any big event, it always builds up. It cant be a coincidence. I believe the prize bonds are fixed too. Its sickening:mad:

MarkR

They covered this on the Ray D'Arcy show the other day, and seemingly proved it isn't fixed. There have been several wins before bank holidays.

deelite

Not sure about the lotto being fixed but that three stars thing imo is so fixed.

bullmccabe2010

I know 2 people who have had their 3 stars picked out on Winning Streak. How could it be fixed apart from the amounts people win which are generally the same apart from the wheel at the end?

deelite

bullmccabe2010 wrote: »

I know 2 people who have had their 3 stars picked out on Winning Streak. How could it be fixed apart from the amounts people win which are generally the same apart from the wheel at the end?

I too know people who've appeared on the show - I was referring (not very well btw) as to the picking of the 3 stars.

It's my understanding that firstly they're all shoved into a big bin and the garda is standing watching as they pick and check 500 of these tickets - that part is fine. But then it gets a bit iffy - apparently they need to have a variety of counties in the draw. So lets say there's 50 tickets from Meath and 100 tickets from Dublin - only 1 ticket will get picked from the Meath lot and 2 from the Dublin pile. And that's how they narrow it down - I can't remember where I've heard this but I have a strong feeling it was liveline although I can't be 100% certain on that.

humanji

I assumed that it's run the same way as some of the state lotteries in the US. They have three draws and the computers run the numbers and decide which draw will pay out the least. This is the draw that's shown. And occasionally they'll pay out the jackpot so people keep interested (and they've already more than made up for it in ticket sales).

Can't see why they wouldn't do the same here.

macshadow

If you do a search for the links between Gtech and the mafia you will find some interesting reading. and also a link between Gtech and an irish helicopter firm.

caseyann

I believe it completely,always said it.How odd it was when its not won for ages and then easter or what ever comes and huge win.:rolleyes:
I dont trust anyone in anyway,money, politics or loaded.

Oracle

Love this thread, it's fun, even if it's fantasy. Although I'm not quite understanding how the fixing saves them money, or works to their advantage, other than creating more rollovers. Also when you say 'fix' does that mean they are able to select the actual winning numbers beforehand, and who wins?

humanji

Oracle wrote: »

Love this thread, it's fun, even if it's fantasy. Although I'm not quite understanding how the fixing saves them money, or works to their advantage, other than creating more rollovers. Also when you say 'fix' does that mean they are able to select the actual winning numbers beforehand, and who wins?

Roll overs mean that the next jackpot is higher. A higher jackpot will have more people entering in order to win it. More people entering it means more profits for those who run it. And when they do pay out the jackpot, it's only a tiny amount of the total profits, so they make a fortune.

Oracle

Right yeah, so thats how that make extra cash. What about the jackpot? For example, do they decide the numbers in advance and buy that ticket themselves? Or is it that they don't care who gets it?

namloc1980

Why would KPMG get themselves involved in rigging the lotto? The reputational damage alone they would suffer if this were true would be incalculable. Sounds like the OPs mate is telling porkies - otherwise why doesn't he go to the papers etc. and make a fortune from exposing this scandal?? I smell BS.

Oracle

I'm not sure it's rigged but I've always been suspicious of those big back machines they used to have, far too much black for my liking, and it wasn't clear at all where the balls came from.

It always surprised me how quickly they announce the numbers. It's supposed to be live, so the announcer or director will only see the ball numbers when we see them. I know there's a camera on the draw line, but even so, they must have keen eyesight ..... or know the numbers already. If it is rigged they know the numbers before they're picked, and in the order they'll be drawn.

This is a good example of what I mean, from almost 10 years ago. Watch when the actual ball is drawn and stops on the line, within 1 second the announcer says the number: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxwkG4o1OWE

namloc1980

Oracle wrote: »

I'm not sure it's rigged but I've always been suspicious of those big back machines they used to have, far too much black for my liking, and it wasn't clear at all where the balls came from.

It always surprised me how quickly they announce the numbers. It's supposed to be live, so the announcer or director will only see the ball numbers when we see them. I know there's a camera on the draw line, but even so, they must have keen eyesight ..... or know the numbers already. If it is rigged they know the numbers before they're picked, and in the order they'll be drawn.

This is a good example of what I mean, from almost 10 years ago. Watch when the actual ball is drawn and stops on the line, within 1 second the announcer says the number: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxwkG4o1OWE

Are trying to tell us that the human can't recognise a number and say it in 1 second? Looking at the video I was able to recognise each of the numbers before the presenter even said them.

copacetic

humanji wrote: »

I assumed that it's run the same way as some of the state lotteries in the US. They have three draws and the computers run the numbers and decide which draw will pay out the least. This is the draw that's shown. And occasionally they'll pay out the jackpot so people keep interested (and they've already more than made up for it in ticket sales).

Can't see why they wouldn't do the same here.

So they pay off kpmg, all the 100s of broadcast staff/presenters who worked on it over the years etc? What about the various draws they do live from special events, do they pay off the public at these too to keep the big scam hush hush?

humanji

Oracle wrote: »

Right yeah, so thats how that make extra cash. What about the jackpot? For example, do they decide the numbers in advance and buy that ticket themselves? Or is it that they don't care who gets it?

Well the way I thought it was done doesn't decide who gets it, only which draws payout more or less. It's a case of getting a larger audience and making more money.

copacetic wrote: »

So they pay off kpmg, all the 100s of broadcast staff/presenters who worked on it over the years etc? What about the various draws they do live from special events, do they pay off the public at these too to keep the big scam hush hush?

Is it illegal for them to do it my way? It would be underhanded, but I'm not sure if it would be illegal if they never claimed they were doing anything else. So, they wouldn't have to pay off anyone. And not many people would give a sh*t anyway, they'd still try for their "free money".

Oracle

namloc1980 wrote: »

Are trying to tell us that the human can't recognise a number and say it in 1 second? Looking at the video I was able to recognise each of the numbers before the presenter even said them.

I'm saying, under a second is a very short time for the producer/director to recognise the number drawn (which can be facing any direction) and communicate it via earpiece to the presenter. Whereas if they already had the numbers, then that would account for the speed.

copacetic

Oracle wrote: »

I'm saying, under a second is a very short time for the producer/director to recognise the number drawn (which can be facing any direction) and communicate it via earpiece to the presenter. Whereas if they already had the numbers, then that would account for the speed.

The presenter is standing beside the machine, they just recognise the number drawn themselves. Which is pretty damn easy, since you can mostly read them long before them stop.

Oracle

copacetic wrote: »

The presenter is standing beside the machine, they just recognise the number drawn themselves. Which is pretty damn easy, since you can mostly read them long before them stop.

I doubt the presenter says the number without it being confirmed to them. If you can read the numbers before they stop on the draw line, thats good for you, I certainly can't.

fontanalis

What are the odds for winning again?

Yitzhak Rabin

fontanalis wrote: »

What are the odds for winning again?

I had a statistics lecturer who told us, that it is the equivalent of selecting the right number in the phonebook with a blindfold....


....except there are 88 phonebooks to choose from.

He also said it is like if you lined cigerette buts end to end from Cork to Belfast, and trying to pick the right one.

Galway K9

Are the odds of getting no numbers the same as gettign all the numbers?

Nozebleed

if its fixed somehow by using magnets...surely all the magnetic balls would stick to the other magnetic at the same time? it is fixed..how im not sure.

scully74

dimejinky9 wrote: »

ok, a mate just left KPMG and told me the lotto is rigged, this is how apparently,

the machines go around the country go off at 7 or 730 which gives them time to determine which combinations of numbers havent been played by anybody and which have been played, that then determines what numbers go into the drum.

its not filmed live, they have 2 different sets of balls, one set with magnets in and one with none, and the 7 numbers they want drawn are put in with the magnets inside, the rest obviously are ordinary balls, the sucker yoke that pulls the balls out actually has another magnet in it as well so they obviously get to choose which numbers come out and pretty much when its won or when to let it roll over...they 'fix' it in the run up to every bank holiday weekend especially, letting it roll over in the weeks prior, and using statistics, selecting the numbers that come up most often in effect choosing a winner.

it's simple when you look at it. I see it but i'm not sure i'm buying it?

I won it, My mate is in KPMG and told me it was my turn to win, cause everybody else in our New World Order has won, he asked how much I wanted, I told him to roll it on for a few more weeks till its about €16 million and that will do.......;)

Galway K9

Dont get me started on the New World Order!

copacetic

Oracle wrote: »

I doubt the presenter says the number without it being confirmed to them. If you can read the numbers before they stop on the draw line, thats good for you, I certainly can't.

You doubt that the presenter who is standing beside the drum says the number without it being confirmed by someone else? Therefore this other person has the numbers in advance and it is a fix, even though there is clearly plenty of time in between the number appearing and them saying it?

Sweet jebus.

Fighting Irish

antodeco wrote: »

I strongly believe its fixed. Its the same with each bank holiday/holiday. It seems to be rolling over a hell of a lot more since the euromillions have come out. It also always rolls up to a bank holiday/public holiday so they add the million to it. Ive been saying to people that I expected the lotto to hit €20 million this year. If it hits €20 million, lotto get a revenue of around €80 - €100 million (they got €60 million when it hit €15 million last time).

Its also a way of getting more people playing it. Generally the same people always play the lotto, so the revenue generated is always around the same. By bringing it up more, more people "buy" into it, so revenue is increased. A certain percentage of these people will then continue to play, thus increasing the standard revenue they were always getting.

There has been plenty of bank holidays that that hasn't happen. People think it always happens, it doesn't.

Fighting Irish

newmug wrote: »

Of course its fixed. Every bank-hol weekend, Christmas time, at any big event, it always builds up. It cant be a coincidence. I believe the prize bonds are fixed too. Its sickening:mad:

and the TV remote ALWAYS falls under the couch when you drop it :rolleyes:

newbie2

LoL @ everybody who thinks the lottery is fixed.

Op your mate is talking through his rear.

dimejinky9 wrote: »

the machines go around the country go off at 7 or 730

7.45pm

dimejinky9 wrote: »

which gives them time to determine which combinations of numbers havent been played by anybody and which have been played, that then determines what numbers go into the drum.

All number go into the drum. they are placed there by a person wearing white gloves and overseen by a person from KPMG

dimejinky9 wrote: »

its not filmed live,

yes it is.

dimejinky9 wrote: »

they have 2 different sets of balls, one set with magnets in and one with none, and the 7 numbers they want drawn are put in with the magnets inside, the rest obviously are ordinary balls, the sucker yoke that pulls the balls out actually has another magnet in it as well so they obviously get to choose which numbers come out and pretty much when its won or when to let it roll over...

Ahem no. the "sucker thing" is air. If the balls had magnets in them they would stick together in the drum

dimejinky9 wrote: »

they 'fix' it in the run up to every bank holiday weekend especially, letting it roll over in the weeks prior, and using statistics, selecting the numbers that come up most often in effect choosing a winner.?

there is no reason for the NL to do this - They are a non profit semi-state. Any profit has to go back into draws. that why you get the odd "1 million added" draws

dimejinky9 wrote: »

it's simple when you look at it. I see it but i'm not sure i'm buying it?

Not simple - stupid

humanji

Fighting Irish wrote: »

and the TV remote ALWAYS falls under the couch when you drop it :rolleyes:

So you're saying the remote control people are in on it too? :mad:

todolist

As I said in an earlier post,the old Irish Sweepstakes draw (precursor to todays Lotto) was revealed to be a total fraud.This should make people skeptical about the Lotto.People who laugh and poo poo skeptics should remember the Irish sweepstakes draw.

joebucks

Galway K9 wrote: »

Are the odds of getting no numbers the same as gettign all the numbers?

No.

What do ya'll make of Derren Brown's lotto scam?

Surely if he can do that, they can fake the draw on any given week.

Also check this out:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3970484,00.html

Lottery number combination repeats itself
Once in 10,000 years event: Combination of six numbers repeats itself twice, less than a month apart; 95 gamblers bet on unlikely event and win


Statisticians said the probability was abysmal, conspiracy theorists said the game was rigged, but some lucky gamblers believed this could happen: In an odds-defying incident, Saturday night's state lottery numbers were an almost identical repeat of the lottery numbers from September 21.

36, 33, 32, 26, 14, 13

And for any Lost fans, you must surely find this a bit weird

The winning numbers for the Irish Lottery's November 19, 2005 draw were:

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 24
Matching the mysterious numbers from Lost one-for-one, with the exception of the last number:

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
And the last number itself is just an inversion of the last number from Lost.

copacetic

todolist wrote: »

As I said in an earlier post,the old Irish Sweepstakes draw (precursor to todays Lotto) was revealed to be a total fraud.This should make people skeptical about the Lotto.People who laugh and poo poo skeptics should remember the Irish sweepstakes draw.

Really? Do tell. Someone has a conspiracy theory that the money didn't go to hospitals. I've never seen anyone claim that people didn't win before? or the draws themselves were fixed. Where is the proof, who 'revealed' it?

Besides despite all that, the sweepstakes draws wasn't made live on TV with an auditor present.

K-9

copacetic wrote: »

Really? Do tell. Someone has a conspiracy theory that the money didn't go to hospitals. I've never seen anyone claim that people didn't win before? or the draws themselves were fixed. Where is the proof, who 'revealed' it?

Besides despite all that, the sweepstakes draws wasn't made live on TV with an auditor present.

That was my understanding of the Sweepstakes too. There were huge questions over the running of it, the directors and what actually went to the hospitals, but not the draw itself.

caseyann

Winning streak for me is another i feel is fixed.They have sealed enevelopes and and when calling the names opened ones. That to me says they decide who gets into that barrel :mad:

Galway K9

Id say they mix it up so nto all dublin people. Also they all coincidentally get the exactsame amount fo money just diff forms, holiday,car...its comp rigged!

caseyann

Galway K9 wrote: »

Id say they mix it up so nto all dublin people. Also they all coincidentally get the exactsame amount fo money just diff forms, holiday,car...its comp rigged!

That shouldnt be allowed as then they are controlling who goes on and when.I mean the names pop up on screen before he even read it. Thats called choosing and blocking people from getting on who should have.

Galway K9

caseyann wrote: »

That shouldnt be allowed as then they are controlling who goes on and when.I mean the names pop up on screen before he even read it. Thats called choosing and blocking people from getting on who should have.

I noticed that ages ago. Obviously it is fixed. Even when he cant read it out, cause bad spelling, he gets prompted what it says. ha