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shocking ignorance of transsexuality.

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    #92
    Links234
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    Tomebagel wrote: »
    your born what you are,everything else is just in your head:rolleyes:

    yes, you are born what you are, and transgender people are born the gender they identify with.


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    #93
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    condescending much?

    In everything being equal, no! Otherwise, to drag myself down to the level of the masses and go from there, yes, but not to often remembering a quote very fitting of AH.


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    #94
    philologos
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Because you were reliably informed. If the person was born a man would you refer to that person as him?

    I personally would have very little option but to work with what seemed most obvious. Personally, I would hold that they are the gender that they were born with in a modified body. This isn't very pragmatic to use in speech.

    If one really wanted to be strict about it one could not use third-person pronouns.
    efb wrote: »
    But you advised earlier you were very defines, what's on the birth cert, would full sight of a transgender's psychologist's notes sway you?

    The birth cert is an account of the situation at the birth of the child. Link234 would have me believe that despite the child being born male, they are actually female inside in a male to female modification (I would hold this to be in appearance alone). I can't see this being too reasonable in practice.


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    #95
    philologos
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    efb wrote: »
    But you advised earlier you were very defines, what's on the birth cert, would full sight of a transgender's psychologist's notes sway you?

    I would need to know the criterion that they would be using to establish this. If the criterion was suspect, one would also question the findings.

    Many fields of learning, including anthropology and sociology as far as I am aware would encourage the viewpoint that sex and gender are two different things. As I would see it such a distinction is based purely on human constructs rather than anything else.
    Links234 wrote: »
    so guys, is your index finger longer than your ring finger? if so, you might be a transsexual. smile.gif

    So all guys who have a longer index finger than ring finger are transsexuals even if they actually don't want to change their gender?

    Sounds fairly absurd to me. One can only really transition if they want to, and if they don't transition they can hardly be referred to as transsexuals.


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    #96
    efb
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    Are homosexuals that don't act on it homosexuals?


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    #97
    philologos
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    efb wrote: »
    Are homosexuals that don't act on it homosexuals?

    A more prudent analogy would be homosexuals who act in all means as heterosexuals, including sexually.

    I'd doubt that they were homosexual, at the most they would be bisexual.

    As for sexuality, I'm not convinced that it is biologically determined. That's another thread though.


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    #98
    Links234
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    The birth cert is an account of the situation at the birth of the child.
    but in the case of gender testing in sports (a deplorable practice if you ask me) there are examples of women failing tests, being declared male and bring stripped of their awards. Santhi Soundarajan is an example. by the standards of the professional panel who carried out this test, her birth cert was wrong. so do you take the birth cert as fact or do you accept that it can be fallible?
    Jakkass wrote: »
    (I would hold this to be in appearance alone).
    you know that during hormone replacement therapy, the body changes and becomes female in every capacity bar reproductive

    also jakkass, you seemed to have overlooked this post


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    #99
    Links234
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    So all guys who have a longer index finger than ring finger are transsexuals even if they actually don't want to change their gender?

    I said might be transsexual
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Sounds fairly absurd to me. One can only really transition if they want to, and if they don't transition they can hardly be referred to as transsexuals.

    erm, you do know that I am a transsexual, but I have not yet transitioned? would you not consider me a transsexual?


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    #100
    starbelgrade
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    A more prudent analogy would be homosexuals who act in all means as heterosexuals, including sexually.

    I'd doubt that they were homosexual, at the most they would be bisexual.

    As for sexuality, I'm not convinced that it is biologically determined. That's another thread though.


    We're all a bit bi-sexual really.


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    #101
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    We're all a bit bi-sexual really.

    PM sent ;)


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    #102
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Oh look, it's this thread again.

    Think I'll go start a thread about religion, one about the dole being too high and one about taxi drivers being racist. And sure, nobody has started an abortion thread in ages.


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    #103
    philologos
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    Links234 wrote: »
    also jakkass, you seemed to have overlooked this post

    After I get through some philosophy I will find some time for this.


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    #104
    starbelgrade
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Oh look, it's this thread again.

    Think I'll go start a thread about religion, one about the dole being too high and one about taxi drivers being racist. And sure, nobody has started an abortion thread in ages.


    Just start a combined one about religious, racist taxi drivers getting so much dole money that they spend it all on abortions.


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    #105
    Max Power1
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    Is it just me, or does anyone else think of a sandwich when they hear the phrase LGBT?


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    #106
    gurramok
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    After I get through some philosophy I will find some time for this.

    Have you checked your index and ring fingers yet?:D


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    #107
    Micky Dolenz
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    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think of a sandwich when they hear the phrase LGBT?


    I bet you're fun at parties :pac:


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    #108
    TheZohanS
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    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think of a sandwich when they hear the phrase LGBT?


    Lettuce, Gouda, Bacon and tomato....sammiches...


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    #109
    Princess Peach
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    rainbowdrop wrote: »
    Laughing my head off at the tags for this thread.......:D:D:D

    Why did you draw my attention to this?? Ewwww


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    #110
    Max Power1
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I bet you're fun at parties :pac:
    lol:D

    I didnt notice the double entendre till after I posted it. I honestly meant the BLT similarity.


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    #111
    Noodleworm
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    In my opinion, the only reason you would call a transgender woman "him" is to irritate them.
    For all intent and purposes, they are female.
    Think like a woman,
    Act like one,
    Dress like one,
    Use womens bathrooms...

    after all that why would it have any use to call them male?

    I can liken this argument to changing your name...

    Imagine you have a really awful name, lets say 'Stupid-Face'.
    Its on your birth Cert, maybe you were brought up to use it, but you never accepted it, and instead tell people your name was Jim.
    Everyone then knows you as Jim, you feel this is your name, you get your name legally changed to Jim and it feels right, it is your identity you can finally be happy with.
    Then some idiot finds out and keeps calling you 'Stupid-face'.

    Is this fair? Shouldn't you be able to change your name when you were given one so very wrong?
    so shouldn't you be allowed to change gender in the same way if your born with the wrong one.


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    #112
    L.Jenkins
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    Agreed, pointless circular reasoning continually going no where. Another thread for the lock. Not quite the same as last night. Atleast people took something from it.


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    #113
    Gummy Panda
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    Links, would you stop your crusade to educate people of AH on trans-gender.

    If people don't agree with your views and won't accept a trans male to female as a woman then thats tough. A long winded opening post is probably not going to change their views on the world and what they think is the natural order.

    Learn to pick your battles and know when to accept your defeats.


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    #114
    starbelgrade
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    Noodleworm wrote: »

    Imagine you have a really awful name, lets say 'Stupid-Face'.
    Its on your birth Cert, maybe you were brought up to use it, but you never accepted it, and instead tell people your name was Jim.
    Everyone then knows you as Jim, you feel this is your name, you get your name legally changed to Jim and it feels right, it is your identity you can finally be happy with.
    Then some idiot finds out and keeps calling you 'Stupid-face'.

    How dare you.... Stupid-Face is not an awful name.

    Post reported.

    Signed,

    John Stupid-Face


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    #115
    Dont be at yourself
    Registered Users Posts: 10,579 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    My best friend is a transsexual and just got a boob job. I haven't been able to look him in the face since.

    Wahey!


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    #116
    JohnathanM
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    We're all a bit bi-sexual really.

    Oh, FFS.


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    #117
    philologos
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Have you checked your index and ring fingers yet?:D

    On left hand they are both the same size, on right hand ring finger is slightly bigger than index. Should I be worried? :pac:
    Links234 wrote:
    I said might be transsexual

    Then it isn't very convincing evidence is it? If people in this situation may not be transsexual, then it isn't very good evidence that people who are male to female transsexuals have a bigger index finger than ring finger.

    Pretty much what it comes down to is:
    Most guys have a bigger ring finger than index finger. And some guys who have a bigger index finger than ring finger go on to change their appearance.

    Is there anything else I need to know before I read these links?
    Links234 wrote:
    erm, you do know that I am a transsexual, but I have not yet transitioned? would you not consider me a transsexual?

    No, I don't think I would.


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    #118
    rainbow kirby
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    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think of a sandwich when they hear the phrase LGBT?

    Don't know about anyone else, but I make an awesome gay BLT. :pac:


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    #119
    L.Jenkins
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    No, I don't think I would.

    Do you believe in human diversity beyond what you read in the bible? 6 billion + genetic mutations isn't really something that book encompassed.
    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Don't know about anyone else, but I make an awesome gay BLT. :pac:

    God I'd love a 12'' BLT sub right now :P


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    #120
    gurramok
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    On left hand they are both the same size, on right hand ring finger is slightly bigger than index. Should I be worried? :pac:

    Yes, your index finger is growing as you get older. Perhaps you need to see a specialist to shorten your index finger or just chop it off as you may have gender issues down the line ;):pac:


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    #121
    NoHornJan
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    NekkidBibleMan wrote: »
    My best friend is a transsexual and just got a boob job. I haven't been able to look him in the face since.

    Wahey!

    Must be the high heels then...


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