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Tiger Woods 11 ripoff
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25-10-2010 1:07pm#1
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Gamestop have a habit of not marking the boxes of games affected with these codes correctly when selling them second hand...
Lawsuit Targets GameStop over “Free” DLC
Never did hear how it turned out though.
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projectgtr wrote: »well i do think its crazy, i could care less that they dont get a penny from 2nd hand games, what other industry gets a cut from when their product is sold secondhand??? to be honest they are just greedy and this is coming from someone with friends in the indusrty, i also think gamestops prices can be mad but at least you have the option there.
True, but in no other industry is 2nd hand forced down our throats so much as in the games industry. Have never been asked in Waterstones if I would "like a 2nd hand copy of that book" or "you can trade that book back for credit against a further purchase". Plus the reason EA does this is it operates servers for the games, the publishing companies of books, dvds, cds, etc very rarely (if ever) have to offer that after-sales support for one of their products. And then if someone comes along and uses it without paying them (by buying 2nd hand) is a bit of a kick in the sack.
All so little Timmy can save €5 on a game :rolleyes:i thought this was going to be about the lack of an SUV level/minigame.
South Park teases us so much with what could have been
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The motor industry.
Then you have what Orim said.
Also, if you really do have mates in the industry then you'll know how hard they work and how comments like "i could care less that they don't get a penny from 2nd hand games" are completely disrespectful.
Its not disrespectful in the slightest,why should they make money on me swapping/selling a game to my friend?? the server issue is a load of crap they build these costs into the games when they set prices, if i sell a game its not like there is one more person on the server :rolleyes: , to me its down right greed its a profitable industry that just wants a bigger slice of the pie.
Explain to me how the motor industry gets a cut when a 2nd hand car is sold??of course they did
theyre losing BILLIONS, all because the likes of gamestop point blank refused to give them a cut of second hand sales
had they not been so greedy, youd still be able to buy games second hand without any of this online pass stuff
How are they losing billions :rolleyes:?? why should gamestop give them a cut, would you give them a cut if you sold your copy of reach to your mate?? i think not
True, but in no other industry is 2nd hand forced down our throats so much as in the games industry. Have never been asked in Waterstones if I would "like a 2nd hand copy of that book" or "you can trade that book back for credit against a further purchase". Plus the reason EA does this is it operates servers for the games, the publishing companies of books, dvds, cds, etc very rarely (if ever) have to offer that after-sales support for one of their products. And then if someone comes along and uses it without paying them (by buying 2nd hand) is a bit of a kick in the sack.
All so little Timmy can save €5 on a game :rolleyes:
South Park teases us so much with what could have been
I dont get you.......... servers and support centers are all factored into costs when the game is in development, useage does not go up or down with the sale of a 2nd hand game its still the same amount of games in circulation same amount of people using the servers, same amount of people using the support, that argument just doesnt work with me. Its all about not spotting a niche in the market and wanting a slice, i think it will have a detrimental effect on game sales as a whole, me included as i mentioned above0 -
They don't make money on you swapping the game, your friend can play the game online for a week for free before needing to get an Online Pass. As for the selling part, they're not making money off you, they're making money from the people who bought it second hand, the same people who chose to save a couple of quid themselves which results in the industry not seeing a penny for the transaction.projectgtr wrote: »Its not disrespectful in the slightest,why should they make money on me swapping/selling a game to my friend?? the server issue is a load of crap they build these costs into the games when they set prices, if i sell a game its not like there is one more person on the server :rolleyes: , to me its down right greed its a profitable industry that just wants a bigger slice of the pie.
Calling the industry profitable is simply ignorance. Sure there are titles which make a lot of money but if you look at any meaningful stats you'll see that most titles struggle to break even. Second hand sales damage this further and, given the extent to which they're pushed by retailers, form a credible thread to jobs, jobs like your mates have. Hence the disrespectful comment. By all means ask your mates about it though, I'd be interested to hear back what they say to you.
It was brought up in an online article which was quoted by another member here in a similar thread awhile back. The jist of it was, 2nd hand dealers pay some form of licence fee to the manufacturers in order to be authorised dealers and sell second hand cars. It is similar to what publishers asked of video game retailers, pay some form of contribution for the ability to resell games and it's all good. The retailers told them where to go so the publishers tackled a problem another way.projectgtr wrote: »Explain to me how the motor industry gets a cut when a 2nd hand car is sold??
Again, you're not in possession of the facts here. Gamestop had revenue of $2 billion from second hand sales in the US alone last year, that is money which is being taken out of the industry hence the above losing comment. While some argue that that money is being used to fuel further game purchases, given that the market for second hand games is so strong, it indicates that publishers are being completely left out of the loop while the retailer makes all the money. As for me personally, no I don't trade in games as I prefer to support the industry. If I was going to sell my games I'd do it privately, something which I have no problem with. My issue is with Gamestop and the like here.projectgtr wrote: »How are they losing billions :rolleyes:?? why should gamestop give them a cut, would you give them a cut if you sold your copy of reach to your mate?? i think not
No they're not. At the most basic level, if they were then games which utilised this functionality would be more expensive than those without. The usage argument is valid in the sense that capacity doesn't increase however that means someone else should get to take their place for free.projectgtr wrote: »I dont get you.......... servers and support centers are all factored into costs when the game is in development, useage does not go up or down with the sale of a 2nd hand game its still the same amount of games in circulation same amount of people using the servers, same amount of people using the support, that argument just doesnt work with me. Its all about not spotting a niche in the market and wanting a slice, i think it will have a detrimental effect on game sales as a whole, me included as i mentioned above0 -
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