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Religious crazies get the knives out for Norris' Presidency bid

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    #152
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Copper23 wrote: »
    Well, isnt it the whole basis for this thread that the OP started?

    - Church don't support his bid due to his lifestyle. (is it that surprising?)
    - Everyone gets down on the church again for being stuck in the middle ages, etc, etc...
    - AH members start posting that they'll vote him in just to spite some article they read on the internet.
    - Implication now made that a vote against Norris is now somehow due to some sort of prodigiousness.

    Did you read the OP? It was a lunatic fringe church that was pointed out.

    Who has gotten on your case to vote?


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    #153
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    prinz wrote: »
    Electing someone on the basis of their homosexuality is about as useful as electing some on the basis of being heterosexual.

    It would send a message that things are a bit different. I don't think it would be terribly useful unless we were hoping for gay tourism dollars or something.


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    #154
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    lynski wrote: »
    What homosexual sex scandals?? the RCC priests raping children is pedophilia and has NOTHING to do with hetero or homo sexuality, much as many so-called christians would have us believe.
    I have read most of the posts here and i am curious, is that a verified article from magill? because it seems a text doc on a google site. It does not seem to be a full article at all and I would not put a lot of credence in it to be honest.

    The sex crimes committed by the priests in the RCC were by and large men abusing boys. Thats a homosexual (and paedophillic) act by any definition -> Homosexual sex scandal. Really their profession doesn't come into it other than it allowed them access to children.


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    #155
    Cheap Thrills!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Cheap Thrills!


    Morlar wrote: »
    What is the purpose of publishing this persons name and home address on an internet forum ?

    Why not?

    The information is already in the public domain, anyone can check WhoIS

    I was curious to see who the coward behind the malicious websites was and now I know, some throwback hick who tried to cover their tracks with a generic email address.


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    #156
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    prinz wrote: »
    Electing someone on the basis of their homosexuality is about as useful as electing some on the basis of being heterosexual.

    As for the President representing a break with the RCC, one of our first was a Protestant.

    And not electing them because of their homosexuality is useful? even though this is the likely outcome in this case.


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    #157
    AnonoBoy
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    Copper23 wrote: »
    Well, isnt it the whole basis for this thread that the OP started?

    - Church don't support his bid due to his lifestyle. (is it that surprising?)

    It's a crazy right wing Christian sect from Mayo who drive up to Dublin 3 days a week to protest about gays outside the Dail, not the Catholic Church.

    Irish Times article - search for Enoch Burke in that article.
    - AH members start posting that they'll vote him in just to spite some article they read on the internet.

    Some said that. A lot said people should vote for the best person regardless of sexuality.
    Implication now made that a vote against Norris is now somehow due to some sort of prodigiousness.

    What do you mean by that?


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    #158
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    The sex crimes committed by the priests in the RCC were by and large men abusing boys. Thats a homosexual act by any definition -> Homosexual sex scandal. Really their profession doesn't come into it other than it allowed them access to children.

    Men abusing boys = pedophilia, men abusing young men = homosexual abuse THERE is a difference. there is a case to be made that their abuse of other people is more of a power thing then a sexual thing anyway, but that is for another day.

    also their profession was at the core of the scandal, they would never have gotten away with it, gotten moved on to facilitate their appetites in new when the heat got too much in one place, there would not have been a scandal there would have been some cases if they had been plumbers or builders or teachers, Their profession is at the core of their crimes and the hypocrisy and the culture of the RCC is the reason for the longterm suffering of the children under their 'care'.


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    #159
    thebullkf
    Registered Users Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    ok folks ..


    out of the posters here.



    who would vote for him?


    For?



    Against?




    i'm against.


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    #160
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Against

    Michael D has my vote

    Sure who is going to nominate Norris?
    A candidate must, however be nominated by one of the following:
    At least twenty members of the Oireachtas (national parliament).
    At least four county or city councils.
    Themselves (in the case of an incumbent or former president that has served one term)


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    #161
    Nodin
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    Against

    Michael D has my vote

    Sure who is going to nominate Norris?

    Michael D? I've nothing against the man....but you can't release him and his crappy poetry on innocent people....


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    #162
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    lynski wrote: »
    Men abusing boys = pedophilia, men abusing young men = homosexual abuse THERE is a difference. there is a case to be made that their abuse of other people is more of a power thing then a sexual thing anyway, but that is for another day.

    also their profession was at the core of the scandal, they would never have gotten away with it, gotten moved on to facilitate their appetites in new when the heat got too much in one place, there would not have been a scandal there would have been some cases if they had been plumbers or builders or teachers, Their profession is at the core of their crimes and the hypocrisy and the culture of the RCC is the reason for the longterm suffering of the children under their 'care'.

    I don't want to drag the thread OT, but needless to say I those priests were both homosexuals and paedophiles. The two behaviours are not mutually exclusive.


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    #163
    mikemac
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    Well who are you planning to vote for so? If you are going to comment on my choice


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    #164
    philologos
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    thebullkf wrote: »
    out of the posters here.

    who would vote for him?

    Needless to say, I'll probably not vote. The office of president isn't really all that important surely?


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    #165
    JonJoeDali
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    prinz wrote: »
    Electing someone on the basis of their homosexuality is about as useful as electing some on the basis of being heterosexual.

    You can vote for or against someone on the basis of them being a cat lover. It's your constitutional right.

    So, voting against a homosexual in the Aras is as good a reason as any other. We all have one vote.


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    #166
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    So, we have the choice between Michael D (an anti-Israeli poet) and David Norris (a self-proclaimed Anglican fairy). Give me another Mary any day of the week.


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    #167
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    In answer to the ops question, and my apologies for getting distracted by the rcc apologists, I would not only vote for Norris I would actively campaign for him. His sexual orientation is irrelevant to his fitness as a candidate, again apologies if my previous posts gave the impression it was important to me, it is not, but i get very annoyed my people who hate others for superficial things.

    Here is the text of the email i sent to Eamon Gilmore urging him to make David Norris their candidate:

    Dear Mr. Gilmore,
    I am writing to you to urge you to nominate a candidate for the next Presidential election who embodies all the qualities an Irish president should have, in my opinion; integrity, honest, openness, bravery, intelligence, scholarship, erudition, freedom from party politics and a deep love and respect for all the Irish people. The candidate I would support, and volunteer to work for, is Senator David Norris. I hope the Labor party has the foresight to nominate him as your candidate.


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    #168
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    lynski wrote: »
    In answer to the ops question, and my apologies for getting distracted by the rcc apologists, I would not only vote for Norris I would actively campaign for him. His sexual orientation is irrelevant to his fitness as a candidate, again apologies if my previous posts gave the impression it was important to me, it is not, but i get very annoyed my people who hate others for superficial things.

    Here is the text of the email i sent to Eamon Gilmore urging him to make David Norris their candidate:

    Dear Mr. Gilmore,
    I am writing to you to urge you to nominate a candidate for the next Presidential election who embodies all the qualities an Irish president should have, in my opinion; integrity, honest, openness, bravery, intelligence, scholarship, erudition, freedom from party politics and a deep love and respect for all the Irish people. The candidate I would support, and volunteer to work for, is Senator David Norris. I hope the Labor party has the foresight to nominate him as your candidate.

    I reckon you fancy him and you'd be his No. 1 fan boy if only he gave you the chance.


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    #169
    Ickle Magoo
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I don't want to drag the thread OT, but needless to say I those priests were both homosexuals and paedophiles. The two behaviours are not mutually exclusive.

    There were priests that abused girls too - some even abused both. I'm not sure sexuality had much to do with it, probably more to do with power, sexual repression and opportunity tbh.

    I'd vote for Norris, he's funny, engaging, he seems to have an outlook better suited to the 21st century and a higher intellect than most of those charged with running the country. That his election would upset so many archaic knuckle-draggers would just be an added bonus. :cool:


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    #170
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    Ickle Magoo wrote: »
    There were priests that abused girls too - some even abused both. I'm not sure sexuality had much to do with it, probably more to do with power, sexual repression and opportunity tbh.

    The facts are that boys were 7 times more likely to be abused than girls.


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    #171
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    JonJoeDali wrote: »
    I reckon you fancy him and you'd be his No. 1 fan boy if only he gave you the chance.

    If i changed gender maybe and i am a little too long in the tooth and a little to pregnant to be mistaken for a boy. but yes i have been a fan for a long time.


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    #172
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    lynski wrote: »
    yes i have been a fan for a long time.

    Fair play to ye. Do you have a picture of him stapled to your bedroom ceiling so you can think of him before going to sleep?


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    #173
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    JonJoeDali wrote: »
    The facts are that boys were 7 times more likely to be abused than girls.

    A million times less likely to get pregnant, you see...


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    #174
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    lol, no that is reserved for a more delicious specimen.....


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    #175
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I'll be voting norris too.
    Someone who can speak properly with the correct turn of phrase and proper grammar.
    Bertie with your de, de, de, de and dat's dat an all dat..........well you can fcuk off back under the rock from which you crawled


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    #176
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    Ickle Magoo wrote: »
    A million times less likely to get pregnant, you see...

    Sure. If only young boys could be impregnated. Then Utopia will be upon us and the great strive for "equality" behind us.


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    #177
    JonJoeDali
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭JonJoeDali


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I'll be voting norris too.
    Someone who can speak properly with the correct turn of phrase and proper grammar.
    Bertie with your de, de, de, de and dat's dat an all dat..........we;; you can fcuk off back under the rock from which you crawled

    Outside of the thin demographic sliver that you align yourself with (metropolitan, liberal, iPhone-owning), you're in a minority.

    Champagne socialist Labour party members who occupy easy University of Dublin seats and like to dabble in a bit of whatever you're having yourself aren't as appealing as you like to think.


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    #178
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    JonJoeDali wrote: »
    Sure. If only young boys could be impregnated. Then Utopia will be upon us and the great strive for "equality" behind us.

    I have no idea what that means. Girls as young as 8 or 9 can get pregnant, the boys can't. If you are a priest twisted with sexual repression or paedophilic urges that doesn't want to be found out then abusing the trust and power you hold with alter boys entrusted to your care is infinitely easier and less risky that trying to corner a young girl.


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    #179
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Nodin wrote: »
    Its already in the public domain.

    I asked what was the purpose of publishing this persons name, address and phone number.


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    #180
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    JonJoeDali wrote: »
    Outside of the thin demographic sliver that you align yourself with (metropolitan, liberal, iPhone-owning), you're in a minority.

    Labour party members who occupy easy University of Dublin seats and like to dabble in a bit of whatever you're having yourself aren't as appealing as you like to think.

    I'm neither liberal, metropolitan nor do i own an iphone but i can tell you one thing.........there will be more than a minority voting for norris.


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    #181
    Copper23
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Copper23


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    What do you mean by that?

    Thats the part of my post where the spell checker took over and ruined my point.. haha.


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