LOI rumours etc

civis_liberalis · 25-01-2015 10:17pm

I wonder what's so special about Bray that they are getting investigated. The fraud squad could get overtime galore if they looked at the LOI properly.

monkey9 · 25-01-2015 10:41pm

civis_liberalis wrote: »

I wonder what's so special about Bray that they are getting investigated. The fraud squad could get overtime galore if they looked at the LOI properly.

Maybe Bray were just stupidly blatant.

HalloweenJack · 25-01-2015 11:10pm

New owners so they're probably uncovering all the goings-on from the previous ones.

civis_liberalis · 25-01-2015 11:24pm

monkey9 wrote: »

Maybe Bray were just stupidly blatant.

I wouldn't say that's unique to Bray either, not that anything has been proven yet of course.

To Elland Back · 26-01-2015 2:25pm

Now hearing 8th team will be announced Wednesday. FAI keeping it very tight as to who it is. Not sure if they will be announcing fixtures then too

Captain Havoc · 26-01-2015 2:31pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

Now hearing 8th team will be announced Wednesday. FAI keeping it very tight as to who it is. Not sure if they will be announcing fixtures then too

They'd want to hurry up, season starts soon enough.

wadacrack · 26-01-2015 2:32pm

IT Carlow I would think as the FAI run a course there. They would be a better option than Cabinteely

anncoates · 26-01-2015 2:32pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

Now hearing 8th team will be announced Wednesday. FAI keeping it very tight as to who it is. Not sure if they will be announcing fixtures then too

Bray?

bohsman · 26-01-2015 2:34pm

civis_liberalis wrote: »

I wonder what's so special about Bray that they are getting investigated. The fraud squad could get overtime galore if they looked at the LOI properly.

Indo article linled above claims it's people formerly involved with the club trying to scupper the deal for new owners so Carlisle grounds can be sold to property developers. Standard stuff for LOI really.

To Elland Back · 26-01-2015 2:36pm

wadacrack wrote: »

IT Carlow I would think as the FAI run a course there. They would be a better option than Cabinteely

Most of the top Carlow IT players play for Wexford Youths. Their keeper signed for Waterford last week. I know they have plans, but they did state a few weeks ago that they were a year or two away yet. Would love it if it was them though

wadacrack · 26-01-2015 2:40pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

Most of the top Carlow IT players play for Wexford Youths. Their keeper signed for Waterford last week. I know they have plans, but they did state a few weeks ago that they were a year or two away yet. Would love it if it was them though

yeah they would still have a better team than Cabinteely I would imagine. I think they would be a more sustainable option than Cabinteely. Cabinteely could be an absolute joke tbh. I cant see them having a decent team or attracting any decent players

overshoot · 26-01-2015 3:33pm

wadacrack wrote: »

yeah they would still have a better team than Cabinteely I would imagine. I think they would be a more sustainable option than Cabinteely. Cabinteely could be an absolute joke tbh. I cant see them having a decent team or attracting any decent players

considering its 6 weeks until the season is up and running i dont think any 8th club is going to have a decent team or we would already know who they are. (i do realise you are probably talking longer term though)

its farces like this that, lets face it make the barstoolers right when they say the LOI is a joke. An 8 team division was already unsustainable, the FAI should have been seeking extra teams long before shams pulled the plug

doncarlos · 26-01-2015 5:32pm

anncoates wrote: »

Bray?

Wouldn't they be unknowns?

Pighead · 26-01-2015 5:37pm

First pre-season game for us next week up in Warrenpoint. You know you can really start to get excited about the new season once the pre-season games begin. Great to see Towell is staying with us for the 2015 season. Shame Higgins left us as he was a great backup to have on the bench but you can't blame him for taking a three year deal from Coleraine in fairness. No real talk of any replacements for Hoban lately. Thankfully the Patterson rumours seem to have gone away.

Gavin "shels" · 26-01-2015 8:01pm

IT Carlow said 2016.

10green bottles · 26-01-2015 9:28pm

PP in early with the opening day LOI Premier division match fixture odds.

http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-matches/ireland

And Premier division league outright odds.

http://www.paddypower.com/football/irish-football/airtricity-league-premier-division

Alias G · 27-01-2015 3:11am

The Cabinteely rumour appears to be developing more substance.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/blackrock-say-deal-that-may-bring-soccer-to-stradbrook-makes-financial-sense-1.2080474?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Vision of Disorder · 27-01-2015 8:39am

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

IT Carlow said 2016.

It's a bit hopeful of them though as it's assuming that one of the following will occur:

A) The FAI are happy to run with an odd number of teams in 2016.

Failing that, another new team will be found to enter alongside them.

C) Or somebody else pulls out in 12 months.

Actually... looking at that, option C is probably a fairly solid bet. What odds on Carlow replacing Cabinteely in 12 months time?

To Elland Back · 27-01-2015 9:09pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

IT Carlow said 2016.

Perhaps the solution for the FAI to the current farce is to encourage 3rd level institutions to join the 1st division. Some of the facilities are amazing and budgets are never an issue. I know UCD don't get big crowds but it might be different in Carlow, Tralee, Athlone etc. If we can get the 1st division up to 12 teams, it will benefit everybody

Gavin "shels" · 27-01-2015 9:13pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

if we can get the 1st division up to 12 teams, it will benefit everybody

Will never happen, an 18 team Premier with Regional Leagues is the only way forward. The way to get teams like Galway, Athlone, etc... thriving is by having big home support combined with large away attendances.

Fairly certain I remember someone saying on the last game of the 1st Division last season when there was 200+ Shels fans down in Cobh, combined with bar sales, etc... they probably got an income of about 5 or 6 times their normal week. Imagine having that every few weeks? They'd have money to invest in the ground, team, etc...

To Elland Back · 28-01-2015 11:50am

Confirm application. As long as they have a ball and nets, the FAI will grant a licence

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2015/0128/676130-cabinteely-confirm-loi-application/

anncoates · 28-01-2015 12:09pm

How the hell can clubs like Cabinteely afford to field a first division team?

wadacrack · 28-01-2015 12:50pm

anncoates wrote: »

How the hell can clubs like Cabinteely afford to field a first division team?

plenty of money in that area;)

djpbarry · 28-01-2015 1:34pm

wadacrack wrote: »

plenty of money in that area;)

An area that already has one poorly-supported LOI side.

Gavin "shels" · 28-01-2015 2:16pm

anncoates wrote: »

How the hell can clubs like Cabinteely afford to field a first division team?

FAI probably waiving the 19k and them fielding an amateur side.

civis_liberalis · 28-01-2015 2:17pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

FAI probably waiving the 19k and them fielding an amateur side.

Absolute nonsense. The FAI would never bend the rules because it suits them in a certain situation.

Gavin "shels" · 28-01-2015 2:23pm

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. The FAI would never bend the rules because it suits them in a certain situation.

I'd also imagine that Blackrock RFC ground doesn't meet any of the requirements, but I'm sure a blueprint will be drawn up of plans just in case (like Drogheda a few years back).:rolleyes:

civis_liberalis · 28-01-2015 2:27pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

I'd also imagine that Blackrock RFC ground doesn't meet any of the requirements, but I'm sure a blueprint will be drawn up of plans just in case (like Drogheda a few years back).:rolleyes:

Yeah. I mean Salthill and Mervue had no intention of building a stand. Mervue submitted plans for one, but Salthill didn't even bother with that charade iirc.

To Elland Back · 28-01-2015 3:03pm

I doubt that any team in the LOI fully meets their licencing requirements, the whole process is a charade to be 'seen' to be running a tight ship

monkey9 · 28-01-2015 3:12pm

I still think Cabinteely is a weird one.

Were Malahide Utd ever in the running?

miroslavklose · 28-01-2015 4:11pm

monkey9 wrote: »

I still think Cabinteely is a weird one.

Were Malahide Utd ever in the running?

No, and they won't be. They don't want to enter the league.

doncarlos · 28-01-2015 4:32pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

an 18 team Premier

This would be madness. Shels and Athlone and at a stretch Waterford or Harps wouldn't severely weaken the Premier division but having them all as well Cobh, Wexford, UCD in at the same time would hamstring the established clubs big time. Losing home games against the big Dublin sides and rivals to be replaced by teams that won't attract any floating fans and zero away support would seriously eat into gate receipts and drag clubs down.
A 16 team top division would be ideal but we don't currently have the clubs available at the minute to make this viable.

To Elland Back · 28-01-2015 5:41pm

Cabinteely confirmed

Omackeral · 28-01-2015 5:47pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

Cabinteely confirmed

To Elland Back · 28-01-2015 7:54pm

Now that Cabinteely FC have been granted a licence, I would like to welcome them to the LOI. Best of luck to them in all bar 4 matches this season

BMMachine · 29-01-2015 12:18am

I'm delighted that Cabo are in the league and shall be doing my best to attend their (home!) games.
Yeah I can see how its a bit ridiculous and such but I think I will just enjoy it while it lasts as there is now a club which I once played for playing in the league thats close to home, good enough for me.

MonkstownHoop · 29-01-2015 12:20am

BMMachine wrote: »

I'm delighted that Cabo are in the league and shall be doing my best to attend their (home!) games.
Yeah I can see how its a bit ridiculous and such but I think I will just enjoy it while it lasts as there is now a club which I once played for playing in the league thats close to home, good enough for me.

Will it be TEK?

BMMachine · 29-01-2015 12:22am

Stradbrook I think. both really close to me

CSF · 29-01-2015 12:32am

I don't really see how it's any worse than Salthill Devon. Ideally all these clubs would be coming into a gigantic pyramid.

MonkstownHoop · 29-01-2015 12:33am

BMMachine wrote: »

Stradbrook I think. both really close to me

Same would be good to get to any games not clashing with Rovers

Omackeral · 29-01-2015 12:53am

There is gonna be absolute anarchy in the SoCoDu derby when UCD meet Cabinteely.

overshoot · 29-01-2015 12:59am

CSF wrote: »

I don't really see how it's any worse than Salthill Devon. Ideally all these clubs would be coming into a gigantic pyramid.

i dont know what people are expecting to be honest, Dublin has almost 1/3rd of the country's population and almost 1/3 of the league's clubs.

what team are going to step up with great facilities?.... hell would anyone step up with better facilities than ourselves?! (Harps, and our ground is surely the worst in the league) Monaghan or Kilkenny have already failed, another team from Morton stadium?
sure it would be great to have the 2 above back, Tralee, Carlow, Castlebar in to provide a nice geographical spread but every team has to start somewhere!

Wexford got a nice head start of a developer but it has still be a slow steady climb to be battling for a promotion place. A handout from Kevin Doyle, but who hasnt had at least one from somewhere? Unless a council decides to invest somewhere, youths were a one off.

The first division is not in a healthy state, its not attractive to join and costs a fortune to run an amateur side which is a massive risk to any club. The entire league/footballing structure needs drastic surgery, in lieu of that, Im just happy we have an even 8 teams without resorting to a B team, and wish Cabinteely all the best against the Leinster and Muster teams.

tastyt · 29-01-2015 1:07am

Really would like to know what the current state of Kilkenny city is and if there is an appetite for them to get back up and running. Lovely pitch and decent little stand, terrible dressing rooms though. I know away fans used to love the trip and they in theory had a good catchment area

Captain Havoc · 29-01-2015 1:31am

tastyt wrote: »

Really would like to know what the current state of Kilkenny city is and if there is an appetite for them to get back up and running. Lovely pitch and decent little stand, terrible dressing rooms though. I know away fans used to love the trip and they in theory had a good catchment area

Like a lot of things, people say there's an appetite but when it comes to handing over money, there really isn't. Newpark FC are currently using Buckley park so at least it isn't idle anymore. I don't know if the new dressings rooms under the new stand were ever completed. When there's less than 100 people attending matches there's no point in continuing. I wish it was still going but there's a reality there that it can't.

tastyt · 29-01-2015 1:38am

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Like a lot of things, people say there's an appetite but when it comes to handing over money, there really isn't. Newpark FC are currently using Buckley park so at least it isn't idle anymore. I don't know if the new dressings rooms under the new stand were ever completed. When there's less than 100 people attending matches there's no point in continuing. I wish it was still going but there's a reality there that it can't.

You from Kilkenny yourself?? Where did it go wrong?? Seems to be a big interest in football in the city itself. I know st kierans college had some good teams and mikey drennan played with them. Was hurling too dominant??

BMMachine · 29-01-2015 1:48am

Omackeral wrote: »

There is gonna be absolute anarchy in the SoCoDu derby when UCD meet Cabinteely.

Keily's will be fockin jammers that noight

Captain Havoc · 29-01-2015 1:53am

tastyt wrote: »

You from Kilkenny yourself?? Where did it go wrong?? Seems to be a big interest in football in the city itself. I know st kierans college had some good teams and mikey drennan played with them. Was hurling too dominant??

I've never believed in the other sport domination thing, that goes on everywhere. I'm not entirely sure as I was living outside of Ireland from 02-07, but I did follow the club and wrote in the programme for a couple of seasons. After the successful period under Alfie Hale and Pat Byrne, the club fell into decline bar a brief season under Pat Scully, towards the end, nobody was showing up to watch games. I've spoken to the club chairman and he says it's just not viable and there will be no return. The stadium is probably a bit too far out of town and I look at Wexford Youths as being an almost carbon copy of Kilkenny. Look, league of Ireland clubs need to sort themselves out, I'm sick of reading about how it's the FAI's fault or somebody else's fault or circumstances etc... clubs need to do it for themselves.

WallyGUFC · 29-01-2015 1:56am

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I've never believed in the other sport domination thing, that goes on everywhere. I'm not entirely sure as I was living outside of Ireland from 02-07, but I did follow the club and wrote in the programme for a couple of seasons. After the successful period under Alfie Hale and Pat Byrne, the club fell into decline bar a brief season under Pat Scully, towards the end, nobody was showing up to watch games. I've spoken to the club chairman and he says it's just not viable and there will be no return. The stadium is probably a bit too far out of town and I look at Wexford Youths as being an almost carbon copy of Kilkenny. Look, league of Ireland clubs need to sort themselves out, I'm sick of reading about how it's the FAI's fault or somebody else's fault or circumstances etc... clubs need to do it for themselves.

Fair enough and I agree, clubs absolutely need to live within their means. That's tough though when the prize for winning the league is a mere 100k, registration something like 20k and big John Delaney is on something in the region of 350-400k.

Captain Havoc · 29-01-2015 2:02am

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Fair enough and I agree, clubs absolutely need to live within their means. That's tough though when the prize for winning the league is a mere 100k, registration something like 20k and big John Delaney is on something in the region of 350-400k.

It's not just about cost and prize money, there's additional income to made also. John Delaney's salary is what it is, there's nothing a club can do about it, that's the sort of argument I think is irrelevant, another deflection from the core problem.

anncoates · 29-01-2015 9:48am

BMMachine wrote: »

I'm delighted that Cabo are in the league

LOI rumours etc

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