LOI rumours etc

GLaDOS

Cautiously optimistic about Callaghan. Hopefully shouldn't cost too much but at the same time seems fairly qualified. Obviously a tough job on his hands, but I reckon as good as we could have hoped to get. Still would like to see Heary as assistant or something similar, but hopefully we can start getting a squad together now and sort out pre-season.

Mr.Crinklewood

bohsboy wrote: »

Paul Cooke in advanced talks with Derry City according to the Star today.

Who's that then?

Gavin "shels"

CSF wrote: »

You talk some serious amount of rubbish. I'm sure Chambers was just wowed by the glamorous lure of Inchicore when he picked you over us.

...Ger O'Brien too. Either can't be cheap.:P

stovelid

Didn't Cook sign a load of players already ?

Zebra3

stovelid wrote: »

Didn't Cook sign a load of players already ?

The story is very bizarre if true.

Why let a manager sign up a load of players in the off season and then let him talk to one of your rival clubs?

shanec1928

a paper never refuses ink

TangyZizzle

Brian Shortall signed for us. Any stains rate him?

monkey9

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Brian Shortall signed for us. Any stains rate him?

He's a really good player. Can play centre back or full back and is a fantastic signing for you's. Very consistant!

Gavin "shels"

Gavin shels wrote: »

Supposedly yes, one signed for Pats.


Seany Byrne and John Sullivan staying with Shels, Brian Shortall (Pats) signed for Shels. Keith Buckley signed back with Bohs.

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Brian Shortall signed for us.

Few days to late there Tangy!

stovelid wrote: »

Wonder what baz was offered. He's not one to play for cheap.

Wonder how much Pats are paying him.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Shels intrigue me most as they offering more than us for players

Barry Murphy signed for yous after turning down an offer for Shels, presuming money was an issue! Are you still intrigued?

CSF

Gavin shels wrote: »

Few days to late there Tangy!




Wonder how much Pats are paying him.



Barry Murphy signed for yous after turning down an offer for Shels, presuming money was an issue! Are you still intrigued?

And Ger O'Brien. Either Inchicore has become the new London or dreamers has been spouting massive amounts of grade A ****e.

Ebbs

I dont mean to break up the Pats vs Shels budget issue as for once the moaning isnt aimed at us for once...although...

It seems both clubs are offering high enough amounts. If both sides are true and the other club is offering more money than the other for players..and you both seem to be getting about a 50/50 split of these players...than you're both way in over your heads. Last season you both budgeted for much larger crowds than expected and if it wasnt for a good cup run Shels would have been way behind... Has this changed or?

Zebra3

Ebbs wrote: »

It seems both clubs are offering high enough amounts.

Really?

How much are players being offered by us?

CSF

Ebbs wrote: »

I dont mean to break up the Pats vs Shels budget issue as for once the moaning isnt aimed at us for once...although...

It seems both clubs are offering high enough amounts. If both sides are true and the other club is offering more money than the other for players..and you both seem to be getting about a 50/50 split of these players...than you're both way in over your heads. Last season you both budgeted for much larger crowds than expected and if it wasnt for a good cup run Shels would have been way behind... Has this changed or?

It seems as though us and Pats are the only teams really competing for Dublin based players at the moment, so unless Matthews and Buckley are undergoing a serious bidding war (which I doubt) there is no reason to suggest either of us are paying over the odds for players.

The way I see it at the moment, Shamrock Rovers will probably keep the bulk of their squad from last season, sign a few players from abroad, and maybe take the few top out of contract players that they want. Shels and Pats won't be competing with them realistically for these players. They'll lose.

There are as yet no indications that Bohs, Dundalk or Drogheda are actively pursuing the best of what is left of the Dublin/Leinster pile. All 3 seem to be in the middle of, or recovering from serious financial obstacles and will probably end up with what is left of what us, Rovers and Pats take (perhaps Dundalk excluded, but I'm yet to hear them linked with any Premier Division players from last year other than those already with them).

So for most players that Shels and Pats go in for they'll realistically just be facing each other as competition. Both sides can only have so many players in their squad and we've already signed 11 without bringing in any massive earners (10 of our signings will be with us last year).

If the rumours are true, we outbid them for Conan Byrne and Philly Hughes, and they've outbid us for Chambers, O'Brien and one of Murphy and Clarke (possibly both but I doubt it). All this indicates to me is that Matthews and Buckley are willing to spend that little bit more on the players they really want, and to step back on those that they don't. It would be much more worrying for either party if one side had managed to win every bidding war as it would certainly indicate that they were spilling the bucks.

Realistically speaking, us and Pats will most likely be looking at similar, prrobably reasonable budgets, similar average attendances for the season (even if they think they're Borussia Dortmund) and both of us will probably be fighting with Cork and maybe Dundalk in the tier behind Rovers, Sligo and Derry.

Neither side has made any real indications that they're spending big so this whole argument really does come down to one poster claiming to be in the know talking tripe.

GLaDOS

Willie McStay in talks with Derry about the Managers job

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0103/mcstayw_derry.html

eire4

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Willie McStay in talks with Derry about the Managers job

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0103/mcstayw_derry.html

I saw that this morning. I think he could be a good replacement for Kenny. He did a good job when he was at Sligo.

Witchie

Mons confirm Conor Murphy signing and also Darragh Reynor, from Notts Forest academy/reserves. Son of mons legend John Reynor.

Mushy

My god Bray gonna be wrecked. No Dempsey, Murphy I know of, was told Kelly is gone too and few others. Will be a very young team, inexperienced too.

civis_liberalis

Mushy wrote: »

My god Bray gonna be wrecked. No Dempsey, Murphy I know of, was told Kelly is gone too and few others. Will be a very young team, inexperienced too.

Yet they inexplicably will survive for another season

Mushy

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Yet they inexplicably will survive for another season

Not so sure. Think sportsworld are gone too, and Slevin isnt putting much, if any, money in. Fenlon should bankroll the club for a bit. Gotta wait and see I guess.

civis_liberalis

Mushy wrote: »

Not so sure. Think sportsworld are gone too.

Completely OT, but I thought that logo made the jersey look shockin altogether.

Gavin "shels"

Gavin shels wrote: »

Seany Byrne and John Sullivan staying with Shels, Brian Shortall (Pats) signed for Shels.

All 3 finally announced by the club.

GLaDOS

Pats confirm Barry Murphy and Brendan Clarke, bit much to have 2 top goalkeepers is it?

http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/7231/player-influx-begins-in-inchicore/

TangyZizzle

Now, now. Don't be jealous.

GLaDOS

Craig Sexton for Ireland

CSF

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pats confirm Barry Murphy and Brendan Clarke, bit much to have 2 top goalkeepers is it?

http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/7231/player-influx-begins-in-inchicore/

We're the ones overpaying though.

Lucan Bohs

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Craig Sexton for Ireland

Screw that, Sexo for the GB Olympics team

dreamers75

CSF wrote: »

We're the ones overpaying though.

Overpaying or overspending?

You offered more to players than we did and we got the above 14 within budget and 7 more to be confirmed. Dont think you offered any of them deals? Murphy maybe?

Decent set of players there but still lacking a striker and centre back. Kavanagh and E Mac Millan and Bradley in still in talks.

CSF

dreamers75 wrote: »

Overpaying or overspending?

You offered more to players than we did and we got the above 14 within budget and 7 more to be confirmed. Dont think you offered any of them deals? Murphy maybe?

Decent set of players there but still lacking a striker and centre back. Kavanagh and E Mac Millan and Bradley in still in talks.

You have no idea who we offered money to or how much we offered. That much is clear.

AgileMyth

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pats confirm Barry Murphy and Brendan Clarke, bit much to have 2 top goalkeepers is it?

Thats mental. Surely the money could be better spent elsewhere in the squad?

CSF

AgileMyth wrote: »

Thats mental. Surely the money could be better spent elsewhere in the squad?

It has been aswell by the looks of it.

BOHtox

Bohs have allegedly signed Dinny Corcoran. Anyone know anything about him?

CSF

BOHtox wrote: »

Bohs have allegedly signed Dinny Corcoran. Anyone know anything about him?

With us in 2010. Good finisher but hasn't alot else to his game.

GLaDOS

If there's one part of our youth squad form last season I'd like to improve it'd be upfront so would be happy with that

Zebra3

Average finisher at FD level to be fair.

upandcumming

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I see Callaghan is appointed Bohs manager.....opinions? ( Bothered or otherwise;))

Average manager when he was with Longford. Didn't really bring much to the table IMO.

Players in UCD didn't rate him at all as a coach either, so time will tell.

bohsman

Talks a good game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2IdWBxnrA

Gavin "shels"

dreamers75 wrote: »

Overpaying or overspending?

You offered more to players than we did and we got the above 14 within budget and 7 more to be confirmed. Dont think you offered any of them deals? Murphy maybe?

We talked to Fagan, Ger O'Brien, Pat Flynn, Chambers, Barry Murphy and possibly Clarke (not 100% on him). I'm nearly sure all where offered contracts by Alan Matthews.

Is Kenny Browne on a 12 month contract with yous like he was at Waterford?

BOHtox wrote: »

Bohs have allegedly signed Dinny Corcoran. Anyone know anything about him?

I liked him tbh, he'd be ideal of a team like yourselves who are trying to start from scratch.

monkey9

Gavin shels wrote: »

We talked to Fagan, Ger O'Brien, Pat Flynn, Chambers, Barry Murphy and possibly Clarke (not 100% on him). I'm nearly sure all where offered contracts by Alan Matthews.

Is Kenny Browne on a 12 month contract with yous like he was at Waterford?



I liked him tbh, he'd be ideal of a team like yourselves who are trying to start from scratch.

All players are just on one season contracts

civis_liberalis

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pats confirm Barry Murphy and Brendan Clarke, bit much to have 2 top goalkeepers is it?

http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/7231/player-influx-begins-in-inchicore/

Barry Murphy is not a top goalkeeper.

doncarlos

some serious signings there by Pats. Can see a big gap from top 3 to the rest.

So much for Pat's budget being between €5.5k and €6.5k

doncarlos

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Barry Murphy is not a top goalkeeper.

I actually think he is better than Clarke. Seems strange signing two average goalkeepers rather than one good and one youth/cheap backup

dreamers75

doncarlos wrote: »

some serious signings there by Pats. Can see a big gap from top 3 to the rest.

So much for Pat's budget being between €5.5k and €6.5k

Still have 1300 left for the final 3 players Emac, Bradley and Kavanagh. Which brings us to exactly 5.5k for 17 1st team players and 4 U19s.
We may go above that if we get 2 sponsorship deals that are being worked on. Also UEFA money from LAST season is the main part of this seasons budget. Well what Aer Lingus didnt get

Rovers in for Emac we wont be able to match what they offer.

WindmillWarrior

CSF wrote: »

With us in 2010. Good finisher but hasn't alot else to his game.

Is this the same Dinny Corcoran?!! He was the complete opposite last season for us (Drogs)

He was top scorer with us last season (7 or 8 goals) but his finishing really was comically bad at times. Very weak shot on him a lot of the time.
His all round game though is very good. Hes a tidy footballer and I'm a little sorry to see him go, as are a lot of Drogs. Then again theres also quite a few happy to see him go!

doncarlos

dreamers75 wrote: »

Still have 1300 left for the final 3 players Emac, Bradley and Kavanagh. Which brings us to exactly 5.5k for 17 1st team players and 4 U19s.
We may go above that if we get 2 sponsorship deals that are being worked on. Also UEFA money from LAST season is the main part of this seasons budget. Well what Aer Lingus didnt get

Rovers in for Emac we wont be able to match what they offer.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that you have signed players of that quality at an average of €300 p/w. A lot of the signings are good premier league players.

dreamers75

doncarlos wrote: »

I find it extremely difficult to believe that you have signed players of that quality at an average of €300 p/w. A lot of the signings are good premier league players.

I agree its odd, but realisticaly its us or Shels for most of the Dublin based players. Bohs Drogs and Dundalk to a point but for most of them theres not much travelling or none at all in some cases. Europe not so much an edge for us as some players have said they wont sign for us as we are in Europe.

Rovers get the cream of the crop we fight over whats left.

Rovers < Best of their current squad plus whoever they want thats available.
Sligo pretty good squad
Derry/Cork Decent local squads with a few from outside the area.
Shels/Pats pick of leftovers at around 300pw
Dundalk some locals and few of the dublin based players not signed by above
UCD well its UCD
Mons same but with Rod Factor
Bohs under 12s
Drogs same as dundalk
Bray anyone


Reckon the league will end out similiar to above.

doncarlos

dreamers75 wrote: »

I agree its odd, but realisticaly its us or Shels for most of the Dublin based players. Bohs Drogs and Dundalk to a point but for most of them theres not much travelling or none at all in some cases. Europe not so much an edge for us as some players have said they wont sign for us as we are in Europe.

Rovers get the cream of the crop we fight over whats left.

Rovers < Best of their current squad plus whoever they want thats available.
Sligo pretty good squad
Derry/Cork Decent local squads with a few from outside the area.
Shels/Pats pick of leftovers at around 300pw
Dundalk some locals and few of the dublin based players not signed by above
UCD well its UCD
Mons same but with Rod Factor
Bohs under 12s
Drogs same as dundalk
Bray anyone


Reckon the league will end out similiar to above.

I know wages have dropped but if Buckley has gotten that squad with that budget then that is excellent business and would give me confidence that we won't be as poor as I thought we would be.
I think that Pat's squad is better than Derry's or Corks and not a whole lot behind Sligo's. I actually think Rovers could run away with the league this year with Kenny in charge and Pats and Sligo battling for 2nd a long way off.

SantryRed

Are Pats gone back to full time?

dreamers75

doncarlos wrote: »

I actually think Rovers could run away with the league this year with Kenny in charge and Pats and Sligo battling for 2nd a long way off.

i aiming for 4th, 3rd if Derry get a dodgy manager.

santryred wrote:

Are Pats gone back to full time?

Nope training times were supposed to be afternoon but most of our players working knocked that on the head. Assume it be 3 times a week and twice(with 1 gym ) when the midweek ****e kicks in.

antomorro-sei

dreamers75 wrote: »

I agree its odd, but realisticaly its us or Shels for most of the Dublin based players

And why sign for Shels over Pats if offered similar money? We're an established premier division side and we're gonna be playing in Europe this season. Shels have just been promoted after many years in Div1.

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antomorro-sei wrote: »

And why sign for Shels over Pats if offered similar money? We're an established premier division side and we're gonna be playing in Europe this season. Shels have just been promoted after many years in Div1.

It may simply be a case of "Player Striker A" looking at both clubs, seeing what Strikers are there currently and deciding on a club based on his perceived likelyhood of getting a game, week-in, week-out.

Alos, dreamers has said that some players won't play for Pats because of Europe.

Or as you said, Pats are an established squad, so may be harder for players to break into that, Shels not so much in some areas.