LOI rumours etc

dreamers75

antomorro-sei wrote: »

And why sign for Shels over Pats if offered similar money? We're an established premier division side and we're gonna be playing in Europe this season. Shels have just been promoted after many years in Div1.

So how do you explain Dawson and Byrne picking them over us? And the midfield lad whose name escapes me.

Pender and 2 others said they wouldnt sign if we were in Europe for job reasons. After last seasons trek accross Europe wouldnt blame them.

dan1895

dreamers75 wrote: »

So how do you explain Dawson and Byrne picking them over us?

They were with us last year. Maybe they just like the club. I know that it may be hard for you to imagine that some people like this club.

Zebra3

dreamers75 wrote: »

So how do you explain Dawson and Byrne picking them over us? And the midfield lad whose name escapes me.

Cos we're offering them 15 grand a week. :rolleyes:

stovelid

We'll have to have separate threads for Shels vs Pats and Sehls vs Cork squabbles come March.

Zebra3

stovelid wrote: »

We'll have to have separate threads for Shels vs Pats and Sehls vs Cork squabbles come March.

And Rovers-Rovers?

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

We'll have to have separate threads for Shels vs Pats and Sehls vs Cork squabbles come March.

Feeling left out

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Zebra3 wrote: »

And Rovers-Shams?

fyp

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actually

Can't wait for this season's weekend threads, dreamers has spent six years leaving out the Shels fixtures, be funny seeing a reduced PD list every week from him.

Wonder will he leave out the fixture the weeks we are playing SPA

stovelid

All messing aside. I can't wait for march now. Going to be a good season.

djpbarry

stovelid wrote: »

All messing aside. I can't wait for march now. Going to be a good season.

It's going to be interesting alright.

I don't really agree with the idea that Rovers will run away with it. Sure, they'll be favourites, but Sligo, Cork, Shels, Derry and Pats all look likely to have strong first 11's (at least) - they'll all be taking points off each other. Difficult to call who'll take the Euro places.

stovelid

djpbarry wrote: »

I don't really agree with the idea that Rovers will run away with it..

This.

The improbability of repeating group stage qualification will really help though. but that has to be weighed up with seeing how stronger the squad will be this season.

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Inferior manager also has to be factored in.

doncarlos

Des wrote: »

Inferior manager also has to be factored in.

Kenny inferior to O'Neill?

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doncarlos wrote: »

Kenny inferior to O'Neill?

yes.

I await the outrage, but ten or twelve weeks ago Shamrock rovers fans would have agreed with me, so save it and don't re-write history.

stovelid

I prefered MON myself and wanted him to stay but I'm happy with SK.

I would think he has enough to win the league if the squad is strenghened/maintained - which is not to say he will obviously.

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

I prefered MON myself and wanted him to stay but I'm happy with SK.

I would think he has enough to win the league if the squad is strenghened/maintained - which is not to say he will obviously.

Honestly dont know what way it will go.

Realisticaly he has to look outside ireland for better than whats on offer. Assuming your entire squad resigns, there are gaps that cant be filled/bettered by whats on the PFAI list.

Gavin "shels"

dreamers75 wrote: »

Nope training times were supposed to be afternoon but most of our players working knocked that on the head. Assume it be 3 times a week and twice(with 1 gym ) when the midweek ****e kicks in.

Hope poor Pat Flynn knew that before he decided to reject Shels for Pats at the last minute, say he's on a decent amount with his job in Coca Cola's (which also requires a decent bit of travelling around Ireland afaik).

dreamers75 wrote: »

So how do you explain Dawson and Byrne picking them over us? And the midfield lad whose name escapes me.

Glen Cronin? Byrne was a money choice, Dawson wasn't afaik.

stovelid

dreamers75 wrote: »

Realisticaly he has to look outside ireland for better than whats on offer. Assuming your entire squad resigns, there are gaps that cant be filled/bettered by whats on the PFAI list.

That's what I would think too.

One of the things about MON was that he had good contacts outside the league (and Magilton too) and was able to bring players like Twigg, Sives, Patterson, Mannus etc.

I think a bit of ground was also lost with our season finishing at christmas and the wnagling about the contract.

Gavin "shels"

stovelid wrote: »

We'll have to have separate threads for Shels vs Pats and Sehls vs Cork squabbles come March.

You lot already have Fool.ie taken over during the season with Bohs and Sligo related bitching so we deserve here.

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Gavin shels wrote: »

You lot already have Fool.ie taken over during the season with Bohs and Sligo related bitching so we deserve here.

I don't believe people still use that abortion of a website.

So full of windowlickers.

celtictiger32

Des wrote: »

Inferior manager also has to be factored in.

bit harsh on SK think he might do well there, still thought they would have shopped abroad though..

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celtictiger32 wrote: »

bit harsh on SK think he might do well there, still thought they would have shopped abroad though..

How is it "harsh"?

He's not as good a manager as O'Neill, therefore, inferior.

I also hate him. Stuart Byrne had the right of it.

Zebra3

Plus he won't be able to work with players on two different sets of contracts.

doncarlos

Des wrote: »

yes.

I await the outrage, but ten or twelve weeks ago Shamrock rovers fans would have agreed with me, so save it and don't re-write history.

Save it? I'm a Dundalk fan and I've never rated O'Neill. It's very easy managing the club with the biggest chequebook.
I've seen Rovers a few times last year including 5 times against Dundalk and have seen sides match them but then Rovers would throw on three top class subs that would walk into any other side of the league and get a late goal.
Fenlon is the top manager in the league in recent years followed by Kenny in my opinion.

dfx-

Des wrote: »

yes.

I await the outrage, but ten or twelve weeks ago Shamrock rovers fans would have agreed with me, so save it and don't re-write history.

I wouldn't have.

I think Magilton had a lot more impact and certainly a lot more say than Croly than people might think. Training in the daytime for one. If you asked a few Rovers fans after the performance in Sligo following from Dundalk, Derry and Bray, you'd get a lot who'd disagree with you.

celtictiger32

Des wrote: »

How is it "harsh"?

He's not as good a manager as O'Neill, therefore, inferior.

I also hate him. Stuart Byrne had the right of it.

because hes probably one of the better managers in the league and many would disagree hes inferior to o neil

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celtictiger32 wrote: »

because hes probably one of the better managers in the league and many would disagree hes inferior to o neil

He is one of the better managers in the league, probably the best in the league at the moment, but in my opinion, he's not better than O'Neill.

AgileMyth

doncarlos wrote: »

I actually think he is better than Clarke. Seems strange signing two average goalkeepers rather than one good and one youth/cheap backup

Clarke holds the all time league record for consecutive clean sheets. You don't get that from being an average goalkeeper. His distribution is way ahead of any other keeper in the league too. I'd love if we'd kept him.

Zebra3

O'Neill didn't have his side getting the run around in Europe by an Estonian team.

monkey9

AgileMyth wrote: »

Clarke holds the all time league record for consecutive clean sheets. You don't get that from being an average goalkeeper. His distribution is way ahead of any other keeper in the league too. I'd love if we'd kept him.

I'd have preferred to have kept Rogers, tbh. I think he's the best keeper in the league at the moment. It's funny you talk about Clarkey's distribution being so good because that's the worst thing actually about Rogers, his kickouts are awful.

dreamers75

monkey9 wrote: »

I'd have preferred to have kept Rogers, tbh. I think he's the best keeper in the league at the moment. It's funny you talk about Clarkey's distribution being so good because that's the worst thing actually about Rogers, his kickouts are awful.

sssssshhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

AgileMyth

monkey9 wrote: »

I'd have preferred to have kept Rogers, tbh. I think he's the best keeper in the league at the moment. It's funny you talk about Clarkey's distribution being so good because that's the worst thing actually about Rogers, his kickouts are awful.

Well aware of that and it has me worried. Clarke gives the defence an option of playing it back all the time. Hes good on the ball and rarely picks the wrong option. Rogers is probably better at commanding the area but hes not a footballer!

dreamers75

AgileMyth wrote: »

. Rogers is probably better at commanding the area but hes not a footballer!

Nope thats his 2nd biggest problem pissed me off him never calling for the ball. Other than those 2 cracking keeper, great shot stopper and very good on crosses.

AgileMyth

dreamers75 wrote: »

Nope thats his 2nd biggest problem pissed me off him never calling for the ball. Other than those 2 cracking keeper, great shot stopper and very good on crosses.

Always thought that was a strong point but you do need to see a keeper regularly to judge. I think signing Rogers instead of Clarke will prove a mistake but hopefully I'll be wrong.

celtictiger32

Zebra3 wrote: »

O'Neill didn't have his side getting the run around in Europe by an Estonian team.

different times tbf, o neil wasnt even managing back then afaik, kennys had a few decent european results since in his defence

dreamers75

AgileMyth wrote: »

Always thought that was a strong point but you do need to see a keeper regularly to judge. I think signing Rogers instead of Clarke will prove a mistake but hopefully I'll be wrong.

Tough one for you, on one hand cracking footballer who just happens to be a goalie, other is great keeper who doesnt distribute well.

Could have been Mahon telling Rogers to smash it at North tho.

Both make mistakes in fairness in this league you sort of expect it.

Didnt know Clarke had the most clean sheets Rogers had 12 in a row in 2010 assumed the record was much much higher.

bohsman

celtictiger32 wrote: »

different times tbf, o neil wasnt even managing back then afaik, kennys had a few decent european results since in his defence

But also managed to fail badly in Scotland.

dreamers75

bohsman wrote: »

But also managed to fail badly in Scotland.

Fenlon failed badly in Northern ireland.

doesnt make him any less than the best irish club manager ever.

dreamers75

Hawkins to Rovers as a Coach/player

Killian Brennan and Daryl Kavangh also linked, Kavanagh not happy with our offer of less than last seasons wages.

upandcumming

doncarlos wrote: »

Save it? I'm a Dundalk fan and I've never rated O'Neill. It's very easy managing the club with the biggest chequebook.
I've seen Rovers a few times last year including 5 times against Dundalk and have seen sides match them but then Rovers would throw on three top class subs that would walk into any other side of the league and get a late goal.
Fenlon is the top manager in the league in recent years followed by Kenny in my opinion.

You just contradicted yourself in one post. Fenlon for a long time spent the most money in the league by a mile so he had the "biggest chequebook." So which is it?

doncarlos

upandcumming wrote: »

You just contradicted yourself in one post. Fenlon for a long time spent the most money in the league by a mile so he had the "biggest chequebook." So which is it?

It's getting the best out of the players also. Didn't Fenlon's Bohs win the league by 20 points one season?

celtictiger32

dreamers75 wrote: »

Fenlon failed badly in Northern ireland.

doesnt make him any less than the best irish club manager ever.

not doing too well in scotland either by all accounts, sorry had to throw that in im just being flippant, i still agree hes probably the best manager in the league in recent years

GLaDOS

In fairness, Hibs seemed in pretty bad shape before he joined anyway

celtictiger32

ScienceNerd wrote: »

In fairness, Hibs seemed in pretty bad shape before he joined anyway

as i said i was being flippant

WindmillWarrior

Lee Lynch confirmed as signed for Sligo. Gem of a signing for them. he was only with us for half of last season but still won POTY.

bohsman

doncarlos wrote: »

It's getting the best out of the players also. Didn't Fenlon's Bohs win the league by 20 points one season?

We also won the league with the 4th biggest budget recently.

dreamers75

Declan Devine new Derry manager.

Dunno if thats a good or bad thing.

overshoot

paul hegarty no2

Zebra3

dreamers75 wrote: »

Declan Devine new Derry manager.

Dunno if thats a good or bad thing.

Depends who you support.

dreamers75

One of the galways refused a licence? Dunno which one