I was asked for my religion today..

Sardonicat

None of that has anything at all whatso ever to do with you being asked "what is your religion" Nothing.

All hospitals will evaluate what they do against their ethos, whether it is catholic or secular. Ethics is a part of medicine.

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

None of that has anything at all whatso ever to do with you being asked "what is your religion" Nothing.

All hospitals will evaluate what they do against their ethos, whether it is catholic or secular. Ethics is a part of medicine.

They auto assumed I was religious and also the hospital put lung cancer patients in danger as per news report, that is very worrying in this day and age from a public hospital.

Sardonicat

No one auto assumed anything, you would have been asked that in any hospital; catholic, protestant or secular.

And I repeat, all hospitals have a code of ethics (ethos) and any trial like that would be scrutinised for it's compatability. The trial had nothing at all to do with your trip to the fracture clinic and the question that offended you so deeply.

Are you suggesting that you have been treated in a lesser way than catholic patients?

partyatmygaff

gurramok wrote: »

The whole board has to enforce a Catholic ethos, why has there been no change if there is only 1 priest and 1 nun on board? I suspect rightly that the professionals are strong religious people too and are happy with the status quo.

http://www.mater.ie/aboutus/mmcuh.htm


As I suspected. No surprise there.:mad:

Who CARES (Barring you of course) if said professionals are strongly religious people? They do a job and they are competent enough to do it well. You do not know how a hospital is to be run, they do. What do you mean "no change"? Have the Mater hospital been refusing non Catholics recently? Have they been discriminating against anyone? Do they hire only Catholic doctors?

The answer to all the above questions is no. Therefore there is no issue with the board. The issue lies entirely within your head.

gurramok wrote: »

No. All inclusive would be nice. See above post regarding the board.

The way you phrased that post makes it sound as if you're saying all the staff of the Mater hospital are Catholic. Even if they were all Catholic and they are not, that does nothave any effect whatsoever upon the service they provide you.

Why have an religious ethos then if there is nothing to worry about?

The hospital was founded and was built by a Religious organisation. All hospitals around the world have a background and a history. No one's going to erase it just because some guy on boards.ie gets hot under the collar when he's asked a four word question.

partyatmygaff

gurramok wrote: »

They auto assumed I was religious and also the hospital put lung cancer patients in danger as per news report, that is very worrying in this day and age from a public hospital.

They didn't auto assume anything. If they indeed did have a Religious bias they would have asked you "What's your parish?" or "What's your denomination?" not just "What's your Religion?".

They have their code of ethics and if you don't like their code of ethics I recommend you go to another hospital that caters for those that get easily offended by the phrasing of questions.

Sardonicat

Go to a hospital without a code of ethics and see how you get on.

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

No one auto assumed anything, you would have been asked that in any hospital; catholic, protestant or secular.

And I repeat, all hospitals have a code of ethics (ethos) and any trial like that would be scrutinised for it's compatability. The trial had nothing at all to do with your trip to the fracture clinic and the question that offended you so deeply.

Are you suggesting that you have been treated in a lesser way than catholic patients?

I dunno, it was a very fast checkup. You maybe are onto something

Not all hospitals have a religious ethos. Tallaght hospital does not have a Catholic ethos.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

They didn't auto assume anything. If they indeed did have a Religious bias they would have asked you "What's your parish?" or "What's your denomination?" not just "What's your Religion?".

They have their code of ethics and if you don't like their code of ethics I recommend you go to another hospital that caters for those that get easily offended by the phrasing of questions.

Ask if I had a religion in the first place, said that already!
and..

Sardonicat wrote: »

Go to a hospital without a code of ethics and see how you get on.

I can't go to another hospital, the GP sent me there as its the specialist one and I should not be forced to go somewhere else as its a public hospital for the public.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Who CARES (Barring you of course) if said professionals are strongly religious people? They do a job and they are competent enough to do it well. You do not know how a hospital is to be run, they do. What do you mean "no change"? Have the Mater hospital been refusing non Catholics recently? Have they been discriminating against anyone? Do they hire only Catholic doctors?

The answer to all the above questions is no. Therefore there is no issue with the board. The issue lies entirely within your head.

No, you said earlier it had no affect and now you say it does, so make up your mind!
Why have them then enforcing a Catholic ethos where it has not changed? Where are the Protestant doctors and professors on the board?!

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The way you phrased that post makes it sound as if you're saying all the staff of the Mater hospital are Catholic. Even if they were all Catholic and they are not, that does nothave any effect whatsoever upon the service they provide you.

The hospital was founded and was built by a Religious organisation. All hospitals around the world have a background and a history. No one's going to erase it just because some guy on boards.ie gets hot under the collar when he's asked a four word question.

See above, why keep that ethos in this day and age? Everyone has different religions and no religion so why keep the ethos?

Sardonicat

Define "Catholic Ethos" for us Gurramok...

Not all hospitals have a cathoilc ethos but they do all have an ethos.By and large they don't differ greatly.

The only time it would be an issue is for things like abortion and euthansia. As both are illegal here than it is moot.

Again, I will ask you:
In what way did the ethos of the mater impact on you negatively during your check up?

Ollchailin

Mods, PLEASE close this thread, it's absolutely ridiculous that it's gone on this long.

I understand that the OP believes that religion should not be part of the running of a hospital. That's probably a view many people hold, and whilst it doesn't bother me who the hell runs a hospital so long as I get the medical care I need, I understand that some people would rather religious orders were not involved in the running of the hospital.

But what I cannot understand is how he felt that it was wrong that he was asked if he had a religion- sure, it would be an odd question to be asked if he was filling in an application form, or a tax form, or any other form under the sun. But in a hospital- where it can become important in a matter of life or death (even if not at first admission, but perhaps in a later admission to hospital)- then it is absolutely ridiculous that the OP was put out about being asked this. Surely he can see that whilst it may be of no significance to him in his hour of need, it may be to others- in fact, many others.

As regards the objection to the phrasing of the question- i.e. being asked what religion he is as opposed to does he have a religion, then this is simply pedantic at its lowest form, and being awkward purely for the sake of it. That's like saying to my non-driving friends "What car do you drive"- why should people assume that all adults drive? I daresay, however, that the OP would not be as pedantic about a question of that sort, because it does not have a connection to religion, and let's face it, this is the crux of his issue- a question about anything else is fair game, but not religion, because he doesn't have a belief. Except that of course that he's told us that he believes he doesn't believe in anything- which isn't at all pedantic, is it? Oh nooo.... :rolleyes:

OP, we get it- you didn't like to be asked what religion you were. You don't like the assumption that you have a religion. But there's being P.C. and there's being P.C to the point of ridiculousness. With how easily offended you were, well- sorry, but you are being ridiculous.

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

Define "Catholic Ethos" for us Gurramok...

Not all hospitals have a cathoilc ethos but they do all have an ethos.By and large they don't differ greatly.

The only time it would be an issue is for things like abortion and euthansia. As both are illegal here than it is moot.

Again, I will ask you:
In what way did the ethos of the mater impact on you negatively during your check up?

Catholic ethos as upholding the fundamental teachings of the Catholic church. Every employee has to abide by that in the hospital. Why in this era is that still allowed in a secular society?

To answer your question, they auto assumed I was religious for the checkup. They should of asked 'what religion was i' first.

gurramok

Ollchailin wrote: »

Mods, PLEASE close this thread, it's absolutely ridiculous that it's gone on this long.

I understand that the OP believes that religion should not be part of the running of a hospital. That's probably a view many people hold, and whilst it doesn't bother me who the hell runs a hospital so long as I get the medical care I need, I understand that some people would rather religious orders were not involved in the running of the hospital.

But what I cannot understand is how he felt that it was wrong that he was asked if he had a religion- sure, it would be an odd question to be asked if he was filling in an application form, or a tax form, or any other form under the sun. But in a hospital- where it can become important in a matter of life or death (even if not at first admission, but perhaps in a later admission to hospital)- then it is absolutely ridiculous that the OP was put out about being asked this. Surely he can see that whilst it may be of no significance to him in his hour of need, it may be to others- in fact, many others.

As regards the objection to the phrasing of the question- i.e. being asked what religion he is as opposed to does he have a religion, then this is simply pedantic at its lowest form, and being awkward purely for the sake of it. That's like saying to my non-driving friends "What car do you drive"- why should people assume that all adults drive? I daresay, however, that the OP would not be as pedantic about a question of that sort, because it does not have a connection to religion, and let's face it, this is the crux of his issue- a question about anything else is fair game, but not religion, because he doesn't have a belief. Except that of course that he's told us that he believes he doesn't believe in anything- which isn't at all pedantic, is it? Oh nooo.... :rolleyes:

OP, we get it- you didn't like to be asked what religion you were. You don't like the assumption that you have a religion. But there's being P.C. and there's being P.C to the point of ridiculousness. With how easily offended you were, well- sorry, but you are being ridiculous.

I find it rather peculiar that the religious posters want to close the thread, trying to put down anyone trying to question the status quo of certain Catholic run hospitals. It does come across as like attempted censorship of dissident views :mad:

Sardonicat

Ollchailin wrote: »

Mods, PLEASE close this thread, it's absolutely ridiculous that it's gone on this long.

I understand that the OP believes that religion should not be part of the running of a hospital. That's probably a view many people hold, and whilst it doesn't bother me who the hell runs a hospital so long as I get the medical care I need, I understand that some people would rather religious orders were not involved in the running of the hospital.

But what I cannot understand is how he felt that it was wrong that he was asked if he had a religion- sure, it would be an odd question to be asked if he was filling in an application form, or a tax form, or any other form under the sun. But in a hospital- where it can become important in a matter of life or death (even if not at first admission, but perhaps in a later admission to hospital)- then it is absolutely ridiculous that the OP was put out about being asked this. Surely he can see that whilst it may be of no significance to him in his hour of need, it may be to others- in fact, many others.

As regards the objection to the phrasing of the question- i.e. being asked what religion he is as opposed to does he have a religion, then this is simply pedantic at its lowest form, and being awkward purely for the sake of it. That's like saying to my non-driving friends "What car do you drive"- why should people assume that all adults drive? I daresay, however, that the OP would not be as pedantic about a question of that sort, because it does not have a connection to religion, and let's face it, this is the crux of his issue- a question about anything else is fair game, but not religion, because he doesn't have a belief. Except that of course that he's told us that he believes he doesn't believe in anything- which isn't at all pedantic, is it? Oh nooo.... :rolleyes:

OP, we get it- you didn't like to be asked what religion you were. You don't like the assumption that you have a religion. But there's being P.C. and there's being P.C to the point of ridiculousness. With how easily offended you were, well- sorry, but you are being ridiculous.

I'm a non driver and I'm asked this all of the time. You know what, it really shocks me that people would make this assumption! I'm of to start a thread>>>>>

Mike 1972

Ollchailin wrote: »

I understand that the OP believes that religion should not be part of the running of a hospital. That's probably a view many people hold, and whilst it doesn't bother me who the hell runs a hospital so long as I get the medical care I need, I understand that some people would rather religious orders were not involved in the running of the hospital.

But what I cannot understand is how he felt that it was wrong that he was asked if he had a religion- sure, it would be an odd question to be asked if he was filling in an application form, or a tax form, or any other form under the sun. But in a hospital- where it can become important in a matter of life or death (even if not at first admission, but perhaps in a later admission to hospital)- then it is absolutely ridiculous that the OP was put out about being asked this. Surely he can see that whilst it may be of no significance to him in his hour of need, it may be to others- in fact, many others.

I was agreeing with you up until you started banging on about "P.C."

The thread does fail somewhat on the grounds of coupling some legitimate concerns over serious issues with some rather silly ones

even if not at first admission, but perhaps in a later admission to hospital

Nobody ever changes their beliefs regarding religion ?

Sardonicat wrote: »

The only time it would be an issue is for things like abortion and euthansia. .

An example has already been cited earlier in the thread which involved neither abortion and euthansia. Do try and keep up.

AudreyHepburn

gurramok wrote: »

I find it rather peculiar that the religious posters want to close the thread, trying to put down anyone trying to question the status quo of certain Catholic run hospitals. It does come across as like attempted censorship of dissident views :mad:

No it doesn't. You're reaching now and you know it.

We only want this thread closed because it's clear you're trolling and making a big deal out of nothing.

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

Catholic ethos as upholding the fundamental teachings of the Catholic church. Every employee has to abide by that in the hospital. Why in this era is that still allowed in a secular society?

To answer your question, they auto assumed I was religious for the checkup. They should of asked 'what religion was i' first.

Yeah, stuff like not killing the patients, not letting someone suffer, not treating anyone differently based on ther religious/lack of religious beliefs. Crazy stuff like that? All hospitals have an ethos like that.

Again, how did their ethos effect your treatment negatively?

Why do you assume that those of us not agreeing with you are catholic? I'm not.

gurramok

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

No it doesn't. You're reaching now and you know it.

We only want this thread closed because it's clear you're trolling and making a big deal out of nothing.

Thats some accusation there Audrey. You have no evidence to support your claim. I have kept on topic at all times and answered all questions from posters from all walks of religious persuasion;)

Sardonicat wrote:

Yeah, stuff like not killing the patients, not letting someone suffer, not treating anyone differently based on ther religious/lack of religious beliefs. Crazy stuff like that? All hospitals have an ethos like that.

Again, how did their ethos effect your treatment negatively?

Why do you assume that those of us not agreeing with you are catholic? I'm not.

How do I know I got A1 treatment? I do wonder if i answered RC if I had received superior treatment especially on reading that horror story of the lung cancer patients.

Mike 1972

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

We only want this thread closed because it's clear you're trolling .

If you believe this to be the case you could just ignore the thread and let it sink into obscurity over a few hours/days.

The OP may be overreacting somewhat but I dont see any evidence of trolling (on their part anyway)

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, I was visiting a clinic at the Mater Hospital and upon regging ya wan behind the counter went through my details and landed me with this bomb of 'what religion I am'.

I just went 'wtf' in my head and after an awkward slience said 'err no religion'. Then she just wobbled her head and promptly kept typing into her pc.

Now, what frigging relevance is my religion in order to get treatment in a hospital?:mad:

Thought Ireland was in the 21st century and why would a hospital care about my religious beliefs?

gurramok wrote: »

Catholic ethos as upholding the fundamental teachings of the Catholic church. Every employee has to abide by that in the hospital. Why in this era is that still allowed in a secular society?

To answer your question, they auto assumed I was religious for the checkup. They should of asked 'what religion was i' first.

Eh, they did, according to your very first post. This was your problem. Now it's the ethos that you can't define in any spcific way and have not been able to explain how this ethos resulted in your health check being of a poor standard.

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

Thats some accusation there Audrey. You have no evidence to support your claim. I have kept on topic at all times and answered all questions from posters from all walks of religious persuasion;)



How do I know I got A1 treatment? I do wonder if i answered RC if I had received superior treatment especially on reading that horror story of the lung cancer patients.

As explained, all hospital boards will check if a trial is compatible with the ethos of the hospital, secular or otherwise, and rightly so. Did it ever occur to you that the participants of the trial may not wish to particiapte if it was found to go against their own ethics.

Ollchailin

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I was agreeing with you up until you started banging on about "P.C."

I'd hardly say I was "banging on" about it, given I only mentioned it in one sentence- but in all fairness, the OP was offended about being asked his religion instead of asking if he had a religion.. If we constantly have to pussyfoot around how we phrase questions for fear of offending someone, then I do believe that this is P.C. gone over the top. I know the term "P.C." can be over-used, but I honestly do believe that the OP is looking to be accommodated to such an extent that it becomes farcical.

Now I better not mention it again, lest I be accused of banging on about it.

Speaking of banging on, kind of reminds me of the OP........

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

Eh, they did, according to your very first post. This was your problem. Now it's the ethos that you can't define in any spcific way and have not been able to explain how this ethos resulted in your health check being of a poor standard.

That word 'first' should of been the word 'second',a typo. They never asked 'Do I have a religion' which i'm sure I stated this in countless posts. I brought out the ethos to back up my posts and found evidence to support it as per quoted online articles.

Sardonicat wrote: »

As explained, all hospital boards will check if a trial is compatible with the ethos of the hospital, secular or otherwise, and rightly so. Did it ever occur to you that the participants of the trial may not wish to particiapte if it was found to go against their own ethics.

Why oh why would they participate in something against their will? Their trial had medical approval and it was blocked by religious members of the board.

Mike 1972

Ollchailin wrote: »

I do believe that this is P.C. gone over the top. I know the term "P.C." can be over-used, b

What are your thoughts on the gay agenda (TM)

Ollchailin

gurramok wrote: »

I find it rather peculiar that the religious posters want to close the thread, trying to put down anyone trying to question the status quo of certain Catholic run hospitals. It does come across as like attempted censorship of dissident views :mad:

How do you know whether we're religious or not? I'd say there's a variety of beliefs amongst us, including your fellow atheists. I have no problem with you believing that there should be no connection between religious orders and hospitals. In fact, it wouldn't bother me if the religious orders pulled out in the morning, so long as the care I'd get in the hospital would be the same.

The reason why I want the thread closed is that a) it's going around in circles so we're getting nowhere, and b) no matter what anybody says to you, you will continue to be offended to be asked what your religion is. Whilst I believe personally that this is pedantic, this is a matter for the hospital you attended- none of us here can prevent this from happening again.

demag

OP if it offends you so much why the f*ck did you go to a catholic hospital in the first place. Would you ever just cop the f*ck on and get a life.
Seriously is this all you have to worry about or are you just one of these people who goes around looking for things to take offence to.
You're just bringing this thread round in circles the same as with the integration thread where you kept beating on about foreigners speaking their own language in their homes.

Ollchailin

Mike 1972 wrote: »

What are your thoughts on the gay agenda (TM)

What??

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

That word 'first' should of been the word 'second',a typo. They never asked 'Do I have a religion' which i'm sure I stated this in countless posts. I brought out the ethos to back up my posts and found evidence to support it as per quoted online articles.



Why oh why would they participate in something against their will? Their trial had medical approval and it was blocked by religious members of the board.

Spell out this ethos for us, I wanna see it.
Any board in any hospital could have blocked the trial to ensure it was in keeping with the ethos of the hospital. That is part of the function of a board.This ensures that patients aren't involved in a trial that would be unethical, or would offend their ethics in anyway.Just as easily could have happened in Tallaght hosp.

BTW, did the trial go ahead?

Again, explain how your treatment was adversely affected by your response to the offensive question? Do you have any proof. If you genuinely believe this to be the case then why are you not seeking legal advice, or writing to the ombudsman instead of posting on boards?

Why do you assume all of us disagreeing with you are religious? You haven't answered that either.

gurramok

Ollchailin wrote: »

How do you know whether we're religious or not? I'd say there's a variety of beliefs amongst us, including your fellow atheists. I have no problem with you believing that there should be no connection between religious orders and hospitals. In fact, it wouldn't bother me if the religious orders pulled out in the morning, so long as the care I'd get in the hospital would be the same.

The reason why I want the thread closed is that a) it's going around in circles so we're getting nowhere, and b) no matter what anybody says to you, you will continue to be offended to be asked what your religion is. Whilst I believe personally that this is pedantic, this is a matter for the hospital you attended- none of us here can prevent this from happening again.

They are very sensitive when asked why there the Catholic ethos is maintained in the hospital. Only strict Catholics can defend that as if you think people of other persuasions would defend it is like asking a Rabbi to defend a Muslim ethos!

Sardonicat wrote: »

Spell out this ethos for us, I wanna see it.
Any board in any hospital could have blocked the trial to ensure it was in keeping with the ethos of the hospital. That is part of the function of a board.This ensures that patients aren't involved in a trial that would be unethical, or would offend their ethics in anyway.Just as easily could have happened in Tallaght hosp.

BTW, did the trial go ahead?

Again, explain how your treatment was adversely affected by your response to the offensive question? Do you have any proof. If you genuinely believe this to be the case then why are you not seeking legal advice, or writing to the ombudsman instead of posting on boards?

Why do you assume all of us disagreeing with you are religious? You haven't answered that either.

Ethos as in "teachings, standards, doctrines, laws, and norms of the Catholic Church", thats the definition.
It was blocked in the Mater because the patients had offended Catholic values. How would it have been blocked at Tallaght, you have to explain that one.
Maybe I should write to them about it, thanks for the encouragement

See the answer to Ollchailin's post for your last question.

Sardonicat

I know what the word "ethos" means. What I want to know if you are familiar with the wording of the Mater's ethos.

If it went against the ethos of tallaght hosp it would similarly have been blocked. Did it eventually get the go ahead?

How were you treated differently as a result of you saying "no religion". I'm waiting to here it.

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

They are very sensitive when asked why there the Catholic ethos is maintained in the hospital. Only strict Catholics can defend that as if you think people of other persuasions would defend it is like asking a Rabbi to defend a Muslim ethos!

I am yet to see evidence of these claims of yours. I think you're trying to imagine that everyone is religious to justify them not agreeing with you. The only person who has tried to bring the posters' personal beliefs are yourself. No one else has mentioned their beliefs without being given provocation first as far as I can see.

Start reading all these posts properly and not just taking from them what you want them to say to suit yourself.


Why am I even bothering? It's like talking to a sulking child...

Sardonicat

I'm not a catholic, and while I think that religion should be entirely private and have no place in public life I can tell you that I have worked in the NHS in the UK and a catholic hosp here. And the "ethos" of the latter did not affect any one adversely. In fact, in terms of ethics, I saw no difference except in the case of rescusitation (everyone who arrested in catholic hosps, not the case in nhs). And no one gave a **** that I was not religious,that some of the staff were protestant, muslim etc., if the patients were not catholic etc. So I can categorically state, Gurramok, you are talking ****e!