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I was asked for my religion today..
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partyatmygaff wrote: »They uphold the ethics of their hospital or if they wish they can take it up to be modified.
Hilarious stuff that a Muslim would help enforce a Catholic ethos. Think about that one again
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Who's the one coming off as being completely clueless in this thread again? Less of the "comedy".
My posts are quite intelligible thank you.partyatmygaff wrote: »Not going to mass doesn't make you secular. Disregarding religion in its entirety makes you secular.
What do you think they are doing, celebrating mass in their homes:rolleyes:partyatmygaff wrote: »The decision coincides with their code of ethics. That's all that matters. Whether or not said code of ethics has some sections derived from religious belief is irrelevant.
Relevant indeed as it was their beliefs that interfered with their so called independent decision making of their ethics.0 -
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I don't need to think about anything again. You're the one who hasn't thought about it at all.Hilarious stuff that a Muslim would help enforce a Catholic ethos. Think about that one again
It's not as if the "Catholic ethos" you won't shut up about tells doctors to make all surgical incisions in the mark of a cross or to have a priest say a prayer with a team or surgeons before each operation. Besides that, not everyone is as intolerant as you.
Is Catholicism the only Religion in Ireland? No. Even if it were, secularism is disregarding religion in its entirety. Someone can still believe in God and be a Catholic without attending mass every single week. People that are agnostic can even be called non-secular as they are not disregarding God or religion. The only truly secular people are people who disregard religion in its entirety.What do you think they are doing, celebrating mass in their homes
Huh? Another incoherent post. They set their ethics and they judged a research project under their code of ethics. That's it.Relevant indeed as it was their beliefs that interfered with their so called independent decision making of their ethics.0 -
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XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »So they would still be religious?....
They hardly pray or partake in home ceremonies. They say there is something there alright and defend their right to believe in a god. What religion they want to follow is anyone's guess
XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »And was also explained quite clearly by many
Its there for all to read!0 -
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Ah well. Guess he'll get it sometime (Hope so at least). You and plenty of others have made brilliant points but gurramok can't and won't back down with his ranting.XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »partyatmygaff we have both tried our best here as have so many others who it seems have just had to give up. You have made some excellent points.
We are all getting nowhere and going around in circles. I say we leave garramok to his own delusions and at this stage I would request that this thread please be locked because it has became pointless about 20 pages ago.
every effort has been made to bring valid points to garramok's attention and he has disregarded every single one. I am bored at this stage and can see that he will never cop on and see what people are trying to say to him.
Well done to everyone btw, you have all made some very good posts. Pity they couldn't get through!
This threads needs to get locked, i'm off to bed 0 -
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partyatmygaff wrote: »A fine joke. You're not kidding anyone however.
Provide proof. It is very odd that posters that accuse me of been intolerant and calling me all names under the sun cannot provide evidence of such intolerance.partyatmygaff wrote: »It's not interference. It's their code of ethics. It's not hard to understand ffs.
The past is past. Today in the year 2010 I ask you one very simple question that will sum up this entire thread.
Does the code of ethics of the Mater hospital discriminate against anyone and/or does it adversely affect the quality of service they provide?
Yes it does where religious doctrine interferes in medical treatment just like the cancer trials and the butchery of women(of which I linked proof)partyatmygaff wrote: »Secular people aren't Catholic (Obviously) and don't follow the teachings of any church. How can the hospital abide by that? They don't discriminate against secular people in any way shape or form so I don't see how they need to "get with the times".
Despite assuming I had a religion to begin with, they interfered with medical practice as evidenced them using Catholic ethos. Thats a coldhouse for anyone of any other religion or no religion.
You say the past is the past but nothing has changed in the ethos of the hospital whether in 1950 or 2010.
If my morals go counter to the Catholic religion, how do I know that I get first class treatment?partyatmygaff wrote: »Their CODE OF ETHICS CODE OF ETHICS CODE OF ETHICS CODE OF ETHICS governed the research trial. They CANNOT allow any medical practice or medical research to take place without it agreeing with their code of ethics. There can be no argument there. It's an axiom, a maxim.
It went against the Catholic ethos. It says that in the articles. You just making stuff up at this point when yet the board rejected the trials based on Catholic ethos.partyatmygaff wrote: »Ah well. Guess he'll get it sometime (Hope so at least). You and plenty of others have made brilliant points but gurramok can't and won't back down with his ranting.
No ranting from here at all. I've made brilliant posts and had some posters with a so called Christian background curse at me (not you) for daring to speak out on this issue.0 -
XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »Which it clearly is by accepting them and treating just like every other patient.
If the hospitals weren't accommodating other beliefs please explain why we have so many muslim doctors in the hospitals?
No, the staff of whatever religion will give treatment as far as it does not cross religious teachings as per the ethos. We seen that in the operations on women as per article. Its the board that decides things just like at the cancer trials.XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »every effort has been made to bring valid points to garramok's attention and he has disregarded every single one. I am bored at this stage and can see that he will never cop on and see what people are trying to say to him.
I have not disregarded a single post have i? I've answered each post that does not give abuse.
In case you have not noticed, i've been debating with posters who are passionate about their religious beliefs and I've made quite adequate superb points in my posts and in return from some posters all i've had is to be called intolerant, a bigot & been anti-Catholic without a shred of evidence plus i;ve had a range or curses thrown at me for daring to speak out for my secular views. Thats hardly Christian is it? 0 -
Provide proof. It is very odd that posters that accuse me of been intolerant and calling me all names under the sun cannot provide evidence of such intolerance.
Yes it does where religious doctrine interferes in medical treatment just like the cancer trials and the butchery of women(of which I linked proof)
Despite assuming I had a religion to begin with, they interfered with medical practice as evidenced them using Catholic ethos. Thats a coldhouse for anyone of any other religion or no religion.
You say the past is the past but nothing has changed in the ethos of the hospital whether in 1950 or 2010.
If my morals go counter to the Catholic religion, how do I know that I get first class treatment?
It went against the Catholic ethos. It says that in the articles. You just making stuff up at this point when yet the board rejected the trials based on Catholic ethos.
No ranting from here at all. I've made brilliant posts and had some posters with a so called Christian background curse at me (not you) for daring to speak out on this issue.
Do you even read what you write? You know well no-one has accused you of anything that isn't true and we have repeatadly explained the ways in which your intolerance is obvious but you simply refused to listen.
You then resort to cheap shots and repeating the same things over and over again even though all of your points have dealt with several times.
If you want a proper debate then present well thought points and back them up, try to actually read what people have written and respond properly instead of ranting and accusing us of things that you, and not us, are guilty of. Come down of your pedestal and accept that your points so far have been confused and incorrect.
If you can't see where you are going wrong or contiue to refuse to see it then it might be best to leave this thread here.0 -
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