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Bob_Harris wrote: »
Learn to spell, use capital letters where appropriate
Is there some unwritten rule on boards that a post pointing out spelling mistakes must have a spelling mistake.
Wonker.
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TouchingVirus wrote: »Christ, where do I start? Oh, I know - how about reading the full thread, realising that all his child did was change the colour of his avatar's skin? He didn't mod a lobby, he didn't give himself an unfair advantage in a game or ruin anybody's Live experience. Also, how is this "cheating"? Cheating what?
I couldn't give a flying fcuk about the skin color of an avatar, and anybody who does needs to cop themselves on.
Next time, try to understand the issue
As I've already written, his son (or son's friend
) hacked the XBL system. This is against the "code of conduct" set out by MS for everyone using XBL. The code of conduct is there to make sure XBL remains a fair system, where everyone involved plays on a level playing field.
It doesn't matter that he only changed the colour of an avatar. He used software that could can be used for any number of things. If MS allowed him to get away with that, then they are in breach of my contract with them and every other XBL gold subscriber.
The kid did wrong, he's been punished (albeit, not enough for my liking, as I've mentioned already that I've zero tolerance for anyone tampering with XBL) for his mistake. His father, the OP, needs to acknowledge that what his son did was far from ok.
Touching Virus, you need to look at the bigger picture here. This isn't about the colour of his avatar. This is about keeping XBL safe and secure so it remains an enjoyable experience for everyone involved. Surely you can grasp that concept?0 -
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Children grow up! Boohoo Dark Knight, Im sure if you kept your tone civil, abuse can be avoided. As for the people who want to be pedantic about it, Did this kids Avatar effect your gaming experience? Some guy said he pays for Xbox Live to be free of Hackers and Modders, were not getting our monies worth in any case, but a kids avatar isnt worth this debate. The primary issue is Microsofts inability to discipline actual breaches of these rules. Modern Warfare is RIDDLED with Mods and Hacks, yet, Microsoft feel their time is better spent keeping Avatars the right colour. He did break the rules, however in a way that doesnt effect core gameplay. He pimped his profile. Its effecting no-one except himself. Now Im assuming most people commenting on this are adults, and I have to say, If an adult is effected so deeply by an Avatar that has green skin, they are a sad mess and should probably hire a life coach. This is a glaring contradiction on Microsofts part, the kids avatar is a soft target. Maybe they should concentrate on the idiots destroying gameplay. Oh and seeing as this particular lobby are apparently English laureates, I for one am not, so if you have any issues regarding my spelling, feel free to keep them to yourself.
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TheMooseInNam wrote: »Of course it would be fair for you to get a ban! You're knowingly in breach of the Code Of Conduct. It doesn't matter if it's a minor infringement or a major one. It's quite obvious that you're on here to justify your own actions. Trying to get you to understand the bigger picture is pointless.
If you are stupid enough to knowingly tamper with software that could potentially get you banned from XBL, then you deserve to get banned. Coming on here and trying to defend your actions is ridiculous. Just be thankful that Stephen Toulouse is far more lenient in his punishment and enforcement than I would be. I would be completely in favour of every console getting scanned for tampering every time XBL is accessed.
By that rationale we should lock up someone who gets a speeding ticket with a murderer. Hes pointing out the idiocy of Microsofts systems for dealing with breaches of there rules. Im betting you just lack skill in games and find the need to take solace in thinking EVERYONE is hacking and modding. When the midlife crisis is over, that will pass! 0 -
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jaykhunter wrote: »
I find these gun analogies complete hyperbole. Permit me to do one of my own : One guy stole a pen from work, the other stole 10 million euros. Both guys get life in prison. Fair? They both did commit a similar crime.
War Machine 539 wrote: »By that rationale we should lock up someone who gets a speeding ticket with a murderer.
No, to quote Jay here, these "examples" are hyperbole.
If you knowingly sign an agreement that says that any modification will be penalised, and then modify, then you should be penalised.
If you lived in a country where the laws were that robbing a pencil is the same as robbing €10 million, or that a speeding ticket equated to murder, then yes you should fully expect the law to reprimand the acts equally.
MS say that they will ban you if you modify.
This is clearly and repeatedly laid out.
You have to agree to this.
So if you break it, you get banned.
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Right ladies allow me to set the record straight.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/codeofconduct - Offical Xbox Code of Conduct.
The terms of use CLEARLY STATE, that you may NOT:Don’t make unauthorized modifications to your account profile or its contents.
Punishment
If you break the Terms of Use or Code of Conduct by modifying content anywhere in the system, we may delete the account in question or a suspension of varying length will be issued on the account depending on the frequency and severity of the infraction.
Microsoft reserves the right to remove at any time, without notice, any user-created content from the Services. Microsoft reserves the right to immediately terminate or suspend a user for violations. Microsoft can contact any Internet Service Provider and provide the ISP with information on illegal activities.
* use any unauthorized third-party software, service, or device to access or manipulate the Service;
Result of breaking the TOU or the COC enables Microsoft Luxembourg S.à.r.l., 20 Rue Eugene Ruppert, Immeuble Laccolith, 1st Floor, L-2543 Luxembourg, to disconnect you're account for as long as they see fit. Microsoft is also legally able to take you to court for a breach of contract.
The way I see it, you should consider yourself very lucky microsoft didn't investigate you're son further. It only takes one person breaking the rules for microsoft to say, "Hey let's make an example out of this guy and sue him for breach of contract. (to which all paying microsoft members agree to.)
The bottom line is, nobody is holding a gun, nobody is running through red lights, and nobody is shooting anyone.
We're talking about an immature kid, who broke the CoC and ToU, and as a result was banned.
The ban is not for us to discuss, that's between microsoft and the OP/OP's son.
However in my opinion the OP's son is very, very fortunate to have recieved ONLY profile ban. My reasoning behind my harsh opinion is that; how is the general poplus of xbox gamers to know that the OP's son is not using other malicious software to hack lobbies or other games, lets face it, he, or his friend, already have access to software that can modify the system. Who is to say they don't have other programmes that can modify other aspects of the system.
Personally I think this topic should be locked down as it's turning into a flame fest. Microsofts opinion on the matter is clear.
On a final note:
Had this direct attack been launched at me I would be reporting you for baiting and verbal abuse. You're attack on moose has completely dumbfounded me. But then those losing an arguement do tend to do for personal attacks rather than stick to the topic.WAR MACHINE 539 Im betting you just lack skill in games and find the need to take solace in thinking EVERYONE is hacking and modding. When the midlife crisis is over, that will pass!
I hope moose does report you, and you recieve a lengthy ban.
Good day
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mlindsay215 wrote: »Right ladies allow me to set the record straight.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/codeofconduct - Offical Xbox Code of Conduct.
The terms of use CLEARLY STATE, that you may NOT:
* use any unauthorized third-party software, service, or device to access or manipulate the Service;
Result of breaking the TOU or the COC enables Microsoft Luxembourg S.à.r.l., 20 Rue Eugene Ruppert, Immeuble Laccolith, 1st Floor, L-2543 Luxembourg, to disconnect you're account for as long as they see fit. Microsoft is also legally able to take you to court for a breach of contract.
The way I see it, you should consider yourself very lucky microsoft didn't investigate you're son further. It only takes one person breaking the rules for microsoft to say, "Hey let's make an example out of this guy and sue him for breach of contract. (to which all paying microsoft members agree to.)
The bottom line is, nobody is holding a gun, nobody is running through red lights, and nobody is shooting anyone.
We're talking about an immature kid, who broke the CoC and ToU, and as a result was banned.
The ban is not for us to discuss, that's between microsoft and the OP/OP's son.
However in my opinion the OP's son is very, very fortunate to have recieved ONLY profile ban. My reasoning behind my harsh opinion is that; how is the general poplus of xbox gamers to know that the OP's son is not using other malicious software to hack lobbies or other games, lets face it, he, or his friend, already have access to software that can modify the system. Who is to say they don't have other programmes that can modify other aspects of the system.
Personally I think this topic should be locked down as it's turning into a flame fest. Microsofts opinion on the matter is clear.
On a final note: Had this direct attack been launched at me I would be reporting you for baiting and verbal abuse. You're attack on moose has completely dumbfounded me. But then those losing an arguement do tend to do for personal attacks rather than stick to the topic.
I hope moose does report you, and you recieve a lengthy ban.
Good day
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I wasn't arguing that Microsoft were acting out of character. I never said anything to that effect. From the passage your quoted you'll see that Microsoft can only put sanctions on the account, and not the console - as in a gamertag ban, not a console ban. It is at their discretion, as it also says, but it's almost always a lifetime gamertag ban. Whether it's because of a lack of investigative or disciplinary resources or whatever I still think it's a shame that Microsoft's discretion appears to be "Lifetime Ban. Lifetime Ban. Lifetime Ban".
It's my opinion, I'm entitled to have it, I appreciate other users have concerns about what other stuff the modder has done too but innocent until proven guilty. If I graffiti up your house, it's does not mean that now, or someday soon, I'm going to go out and commit arson. Some people are drawing that conclusion - from profile modding to "ZOMG, he hax0red my game". It's a ridiculous jump :pac:0 -
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War Machine 539 wrote: »Children grow up! Boohoo Dark Knight, Im sure if you kept your tone civil, abuse can be avoided. As for the people who want to be pedantic about it, Did this kids Avatar effect your gaming experience? Some guy said he pays for Xbox Live to be free of Hackers and Modders, were not getting our monies worth in any case, but a kids avatar isnt worth this debate. The primary issue is Microsofts inability to discipline actual breaches of these rules. Modern Warfare is RIDDLED with Mods and Hacks, yet, Microsoft feel their time is better spent keeping Avatars the right colour. He did break the rules, however in a way that doesnt effect core gameplay. He pimped his profile. Its effecting no-one except himself. Now Im assuming most people commenting on this are adults, and I have to say, If an adult is effected so deeply by an Avatar that has green skin, they are a sad mess and should probably hire a life coach. This is a glaring contradiction on Microsofts part, the kids avatar is a soft target. Maybe they should concentrate on the idiots destroying gameplay. Oh and seeing as this particular lobby are apparently English laureates, I for one am not, so if you have any issues regarding my spelling, feel free to keep them to yourself.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous post even more childish then the original post.The primary issue is Microsofts inability to discipline actual breaches of these rules.
What? That's precisely what it's about. Microsoft detected custom software, and banned. They don't care if it's minor, major, intention or practicalities - it's something that's not allowed, end of, and they enforced punishment for someone who broke the EULA.Modern Warfare is RIDDLED with Mods and Hacks, yet, Microsoft feel their time is better spent keeping Avatars the right colour.
Hardly. Microsoft spend a great deal of time and effort detecting and banning hackers and modders. They can't catch them all, but they can catch a considerable deal of them. It's nothing to do with 'prioritizing' the integrity of avatars, it's stopping modification full stop, as above, regardless of how minor or significant it may be.He did break the rules, however in a way that doesnt effect core gameplay. He pimped his profile. Its effecting no-one except himself. Now Im assuming most people commenting on this are adults, and I have to say, If an adult is effected so deeply by an Avatar that has green skin, they are a sad mess and should probably hire a life coach.
You clearly don't grasp the concept of this whole thing at all, so why don't you just stay out of it? That's not being condescending either, but realistic. You can't seem to accept the principle of punishment for law breaking. He modified, which is against the terms of use, and was banned. Where's the problem in logic there? It doesn't matter that we know the context, from a Microsoft point of view, it's very simple: We have a profile here that's been modified, ban. It's not unjustified. What would you have them do, send a team around to investigate every one of a thousand cases and put it to a jury? They have no way of knowing anything other than that a profile/console has been modified and thus an assumption must be made that said profile could be up to any manner of antics. I don't know why you're attacking people here who simply completely understand this rather elemental logic with reference to life coaching.This is a glaring contradiction on Microsofts part, the kids avatar is a soft target. Maybe they should concentrate on the idiots destroying gameplay.
I don't see any contradictions at all. A soft target? Hardly. A valid target, to be fair, regardless of age. Microsoft aren't out to make soft targets. They're out of protect the integrity of the Xbox experience for it's generally rule abiding user base. Get over it - the kid did something he shouldn't have, got a profile ban, by no means the end of the world at all, lesson learned.0 -
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