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    #32
    Birneybau
    Registered Users Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    The amount of these bloody threads is surely proof that there is no God!


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    #33
    coffee_cake
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    Dudess wrote: »
    You know what I think? A lot of atheists are really arrogant, whereas I'm really right-on and accepting of everyone's belief systems - just not those of atheists, because they're really arrogant. I mean, you know that guy Richard Dawkins - he's really arrogant. Etc.

    I believe an omnipotent deity created me specifically and cares about me personally and what I do and don't do but atheists are so arrogant!


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    #34
    Ghost Estate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Ghost Estate


    Dudess wrote: »
    I mean, you know that guy Richard Dawkins - he's really arrogant. Etc.

    Oh that fecker? I'd twist his neck.


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    #35
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    The_Minister wrote: »
    There is a certain breed of atheist which feels a pressing need to blame everything on religion, no matter how silly.

    You can see it at work on American messageboards when they refer to the 'religious conflict' in Northern Ireland, and try to use it as evidence that most wars are caused by religion.

    This breed cannot resist attacking religion and the religious at any opportunity, on even the flimsiest excuse.
    Actually the NI conflict was caused by religion, because if they had been the same religion they would have intermarried and the distinctions between them would be as meaningless as Norman and Viking in modern Ireland.


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    #36
    Rebelheart
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    Actually the NI conflict was caused by religion, because if they had been the same religion they would have intermarried and the distinctions between them would be as meaningless as Norman and Viking in modern Ireland.

    :rolleyes: Jesus wept. If they had been the same religion something else would have been created to justify one crowd taking everything off the other. This is colonialism 101. Christ almighty!


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    #37
    Seloth
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    theists and Atheists have both intelligence and idiocy..you cant just say some theists/athests are blah blah blah.

    wtf is the major problem with a belief..Most Irish people do ya tool bu do you see the majroity preaching or blowing **** up...no..no you dont.


    A friend of my is a strict muslim..but you know whate's happy with that way of life,its part of his culture.


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    #38
    gurramok
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    Whats this, another atheist bashing round? :mad:


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    #39
    Eutow
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    the-dude wrote: »
    obviousely im drunk but jesus the amount of people that beleive in god is staggering to me. I have been arguing all night and iv convinced afew but so many are so dumb because they were brought up this way,to beleive.Im down the country and id say 80% beleive this ****.sure we are at nothing finna fail voting god loving idiots.



    So, you had a good night out I see.


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    #40
    Riamfada
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Whats this, another atheist bashing round? :mad:

    Not really. Just bash people with different faiths and opinions to you and then the next poster will do the same. It will go on and on until a mod locks it and someone starts a simular thread tomorrow and it will continue there.


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    #41
    gbee
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    Degag wrote: »
    Why does it bother you so much? If people were allowed to believe what they believe in without condemnation, the world would be a far, far better place.

    On the face of it yes it would. But those controlling the belief have strove to deny truths ~ like enforcing a flat earth, the earth being centre of the universe and all that.

    It's far to late to start now, and with some violent religions and cults, it certainly is important and should bother people if you're living under the threat of a suicide bomb because you're a different religion.


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    #42
    gurramok
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    Religion has been the source and cause of many wars. Countless millions have died because they had the wrong religion. Even today, religion breeds intolerance of gays & anyone who remotely looks or thinks differently to their version of whats normal.


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    #43
    OutlawPete
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    There are energies at play in this universe, that you all just deny at your peril.

    Michael Myers* just got his name pulled out of the drum on Winning Streak.

    That's just coincidence I suppose.

    Oh ye who have little faith.

    *Fact


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    #44
    Hail 2 Da Thief
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    There must be a god!
    Where did the reptilian humanoids come from if there's no god?


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    #45
    Collie D
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Religion has been the source and cause of many wars. Countless millions have died because they had the wrong religion. Even today, religion breeds intolerance of gays & anyone who remotely looks or thinks differently to their version of whats normal.

    That maybe true but the same could be said of people's derision or intolerance of the next person's beliefs as in the OP


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    #46
    OutlawPete
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    Collie D wrote: »
    That maybe true but the same could be said of people's derision or intolerance of the next person's beliefs as in the OP

    Precisely and it is indeed, usually the case.

    The perceived arrogance that people now see the majority of atheists as having, has been very well earned.


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    #47
    gurramok
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    Collie D wrote: »
    That maybe true but the same could be said of people's derision or intolerance of the next person's beliefs as in the OP

    Intra religious conflict like my god is better than your god nonsense?


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    #48
    Dudess
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    Maybe atheists should pretend to believe in god as it seems being atheist, having a genuine belief that god doesn't exist, in itself, is arrogant/trying to be trendy.


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    #49
    OutlawPete
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    No, that's what atheists try and imply alright, that people think the majority of them are arrogant for little or no reason, but it is far from the case - if it was, they would not have the image that they now have acquired, would they.

    The rolling of eyes, belittling of those with any kind of deity belief, faith or even just talk of an after life will generally be more than enough to set them off and so the usual little atheist circle jerk will form, backslapping will commence and condescension will follow.

    No, being atheist in itself is fine, it is these traits above that is not.


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    #50
    Sam Vimes
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    OutlawPete wrote: »
    No, that's what atheists try and imply alright, that people think the majority of them are arrogant for little or no reason, but it is far from the case - if it was, they would not have the image that they now have acquired, would they.

    You counter protests that the label is undeserved by saying that they wouldn't have acquired the label if it was undeserved. Impeccable logic I must say.

    You heard it here first: Every label that any group has ever been given is accurate, because labels are never given undeservedly. So sayeth OutlawPete.


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    #51
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    I suppose I'll contribute what I contribute to this debate every time it pops up:


    It's been my experience that when one side of a debate has all of the arguments, all of the evidence, all of the logic and all of the pretty girls* on its side, it doesn't take very long for the other side to start calling them arrogant because in the absence of a good argument, a good old ad homimem attack will always do. Those who have a point to make make it and those who don't label their opponents arrogant.




    *Disclaimer: there may not be many pretty girls, although these two are pretty hot:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upTeL3oxENQ


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    #52
    Dudess
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    OutlawPete wrote: »
    No, that's what atheists try and imply alright, that people think the majority of them are arrogant for little or no reason, but it is far from the case - if it was, they would not have the image that they now have acquired, would they.

    The rolling of eyes, belittling of those with any kind of deity belief, faith or even just talk of an after life will generally be more than enough to set them off and so the usual little atheist circle jerk will form, backslapping will commence and condescension will follow.

    No, being atheist in itself is fine, it is these traits above that is not.
    How do you know the majority are like that? Usually it's just Richard Dawkins - one man - used as the "proof" that the majority of atheists are arrogant. How do you know the majority just don't believe in god, don't say much about it, don't give religious people grief, and get on with their lives? Sure, there are pain in the arse groups - morto at the one on Facebook at the moment called Atheist and Proud! (like something a 13-year-old would say) but the existence of those groups, while they might shout loudly, doesn't necessarily mean the majority are like them.

    Non stop pointing out how arrogant/wannabe trendy atheists are (in order to show how right-on one is) is as tiresome and intolerant as atheists banging on about how religious people are stupid.

    Also, I do think it's sometimes the atheism alone that's deemed arrogance in and of itself. I personally think the notion of god is a ludicrous one - technically that is dismissal of religious people by me, but I can't help how I feel. I'm certainly not going to forcibly change my view. However I wouldn't give grief to anyone who is religious (and doesn't force it on others) and that's ultimately all that should matter.


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    #53
    Min
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    the-dude wrote: »
    obviousely im drunk but jesus the amount of people that beleive in god is staggering to me. I have been arguing all night and iv convinced afew but so many are so dumb because they were brought up this way,to beleive.Im down the country and id say 80% beleive this ****.sure we are at nothing finna fail voting god loving idiots.

    You are so right.

    I don't beleive either but many do beleive.

    I believe in God though.


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    #54
    Diabhal Beag
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    Us God-believers are always embarrassed by the holier-than-thou religious types.

    Atheists are embarrassed by the snobby LOLReligion types.


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    #55
    goose2005
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Jesus wept. If they had been the same religion something else would have been created to justify one crowd taking everything off the other. This is colonialism 101. Christ almighty!

    But they would hardly have remained as two separate "crowds" from 1690 to 1972, would they?


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    #56
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I'm an atheist, and I'm just super!


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    #57
    Misanthrope
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    Dudess wrote: »
    You know what I think? A lot of atheists are really arrogant, whereas I'm really right-on and accepting of everyone's belief systems - just not those of atheists, because they're really arrogant. I mean, you know that guy Richard Dawkins - he's really arrogant. Etc.


    You're confusing arrogance with confidence.Richard Dawkins is highly confident in his stance.He has derived his conclusions from,reason and observation.His claims are demonstrable.

    Religion,particularly Christianity, does not allow for reason and is infamous for hiding, destroying or perverting human observation.Remember Galileo and Copernicus and their observations.

    Another good example would be Rome's patronage of Georges LaMaitre whilst publicly refuting or twisting his scientific findings.

    Faith is belief founded on a lack of evidence ie. information.And a bunch of scrolls allegedly written by people whose existence has not been proved,which were then bundled together and sold as the Bible, is not evidence.

    Arrogant would be more like the behaviour of Catholics for the last 70 years or more who washed their hands and averted their eyes while rape, and theft and lies flourished all around them in the name of their as yet unseen 'god', yet still turn up in their Sunday best to be seen at the weekly festival of hypocrisy that is Mass.

    Arrogant is expecting educated adults to run through ridiculous rituals that benefit nobody but the church.

    Arrogant is failing to understand that atheists have every right to be frustrated by religious people and their complete lack of reason in world that requires more and more reason everyday in order to function well.

    Atheists are PISSED OFF.Get it?ANGRY.Displeased.Hurt.Offended.

    Do you actually comprehend how offended we are by this?I don't think you do.You are too busy feeling offended by our reaction to being offende by you people.

    No atheist armies have attacked you.We have not censored you.You have been given every extension of freedom to practice your faith in this country and look at how the religious factions have behaved.(i'll give the Quakers a pass on this one).

    Now, over the last 20 years only have atheists in Ireland dare raise our voice and we are arrogant.How many Christians have been beheaded hung or burned alive or worse by Atheists, down through history.Please find me one example.

    I think you'll find virtually all cases were perpetrated by fellow Christians or followers of some other BS.

    Look around you.Look at the damage religion has done around the world.Just because you have distilled it down in your mind to a quaint little church visit and a bit of kneeling and praying.

    You are sponging the balls of the Beast.Satans fluffers, to put in pornobiblical terms.You are everything you most fear. you are the evil that we see everywhere and the good nobody can see.You seem to be unaware that you are human beings.You believe you are some kind of deity.It's all some crazy narcissistic defence mechanism against confronting your absolute mortality.

    You're wormfood waiting to happen.


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    DementoR
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    the-dude wrote: »
    obviousely im drunk but jesus the amount of people that beleive in god is staggering to me. I have been arguing all night and iv convinced afew but so many are so dumb because they were brought up this way,to beleive.Im down the country and id say 80% beleive this ****.sure we are at nothing finna fail voting god loving idiots.

    And so God said "let him talk sh1te" and he did.


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    OutlawPete
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    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    .You heard it here first: Every label that any group has ever been given is accurate, because labels are never given undeservedly. So sayeth OutlawPete.

    Quit playing to the gallery Sam, although - this is another trait I have noticed amongst the Atheist / Science elite, backslapping seems to something they seek, always looking for others to join in their mocking of other users.
    Dudess wrote: »
    How do you know the majority are like that?

    I never said the majority were like that, read what I said:
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    .. people now see the majority of atheists as having, has been very well earned.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    .. that people think the majority of them are arrogant for little or no reason ..

    If you were a Christian, would you not think the same from what is thrown their way on these threads? Come on, you can't say that you haven't noticed an upsurge in people declaring themselves athiests for no obvious reason on a thread and acting smug and being unnecessarily aggressive as they go about it.

    Science nerds do the same thing, you can satire it if you like, but it is a new trend. You can't even say: "Dear God" on a thread these days without some athiest feeling the need to point out that there is no God and ask if people really still believe in one, along with a 'roll-eyes' of course.

    As I say, I think the reputation that has started to follow atheists is an earned one, doesn't mean ALL athiests have partaken in that, but it is not there by accident is my point and as I said:
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    .. being atheist in itself is fine, it is these traits above that are not.

    I never seen Christians behave on Boards, the way I see atheists behave. When is the last time you seen a Christian (of which I am not by the way) say something like:

    "I just can't believe that there are some that WON'T accept there is a God. It's just insane to be an atheist, bordering on insanity in fact. I honestly think it is lack of intelligence for those who are not Christians."
    Dudess wrote: »
    I personally think the notion of god is a ludicrous one - technically that is dismissal of religious people by me, but I can't help how I feel.

    There is a difference between saying that you find the notion of God "ludicrous" and someone going into a tirade of how anyone that believes in a God lacks intelligence, which is regularly implied and often even said directly to a user on these debates. Non-atheists constantly have to DEFEND their beliefs and that shouldn't be. It is athists that have a problem with what believers believe, not the other way around.


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    Misanthrope
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    OutlawPete wrote: »

    There is a difference between saying that you find the notion of God "ludicrous" and someone going into a tirade of how anyone that believes in a God lacks intelligence, which is regularly implied and often even said directly to a user on these debates. Non-atheists constantly have to DEFEND their beliefs and that shouldn't be. It is athists that have a problem with what believers believe, not the other way around.


    Most atheists don't believe you are stupid.That is why they are so frustrated by your stance.
    Some in their frustration may go over the top but it's not hard to see why.

    What is intelligent about 'faith'.List the virtues and benefits of faith as an intellectual pursuit compared to science.Which one is more intelligent?
    Be honest.

    I'm not saying it's wrong to be unintelligent.I'm highlighting the idea that intelligent people will surely opt for the more intelligent solution.


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    Tilt Gone
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    the-dude wrote: »
    obviousely im drunk but jesus the amount of people that beleive in god is staggering to me. I have been arguing all night and iv convinced afew but so many are so dumb because they were brought up this way,to beleive.Im down the country and id say 80% beleive this ****.sure we are at nothing finna fail voting god loving idiots.

    I'm asking God to forgive you right now you poor misguided soul.

    He says there's hope for me but your fcuk*d


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