Minimum Wage

gurramok

I see where you are coming from. I can give anecdotes all night about abuse of the system that is going on out there.

First example is I know of my former neighbour in Finglas, Dublin who is on her 5th pregnancy in a council funded home whilst on Rent Allowance. She is a single mother but with the same father all along, who gives his official address as a few streets behind but lives with her all the time while he himself on the dole. They have been reported a good few times by neighbours but the social welfare say they cannot prove that he is living there permanently rather than visiting. Hence why i propose that single mothers who get pregnant while on OPFP lose their entitlements if there is no maintenance from the father to help stamp out fraud. In your case, its proven that the father cannot contribute unlike this scam artist.

Second example just lives across from me in the apt complex. She gets 900 quid a mth for an apt at aged 19. I pay a 1000 per month rent as a worker to live in the exact same type of apt and I work to pay for it just like most of my neighbours. She can continuously get pregnant year on year until the oldest child is 22 without having to work a single day in her life same like the mother above.

Those 2 examples are just showing how much a disgrace of a system we have that discriminates against work. I get annoyed as a worker seeing posters who criticise my stance as right wing(yet i'm from the Irish version of a ghetto) of attacking social welfare frauds as you and I see this day in day out.
Also to add, i'd propose to increase JSB in order to reward workers who contributed as its just not fair that a person who worked all their life gets 196 in dole yet the junkie who only got high got 196 all his life too.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

It is law to have a tv licence, a terrible one, but it is there. Even if you have a tv and do not use it you have to pay it because you might be using it!

It's not law if to have a TV license if you don't own a TV, sell the TV problem solved and a few quid in the pocket

wolfpawnat wrote: »

And as for Dunnes, 99c Onion rings, €2 for four Cottage pies and €1 for five yoghurt's, all own brand obviously, not brand name Pays to shop around

I dunno, I wouldn't tend to eat that sort of stuff, if you have 100e I would concentrate on your fruit and veg and staying healthy, it's bad enough been out of work without been out of work and getting sick from a poor diet.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

As for the rest of the money. I have to save what I can. I am going back to college in January. I have to give UCD creche a deposit and pay a fortune for the facilities,

People who work can't afford to save but people on SW can? and then say they don't have enough money *shakes head*

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Also, I know it was taken away last year, but what were peoples opinions on the double payment for SW recipients at Christmas. I know people complain about it, but people working get a bit of a bonus or something. And at a time of year where children want toys, sweets, etc it is very hard for newly unemployed parents to try and juggle it all. How do you tell a 4 year old you cannot afford a €30 pressie. Maybe not even full double pay, but even an extra €100 to help a little. I am lucky my fella is so small he won't notice it! Dreading next year though!!

I can't recall the last time I got a bonus in a job, I think it was the boss buying me a point back in the 90's!

If you go to the st vincent de paul they will generally have some new toys that you can give to the kid.

But on the 196e do you not get child allowance and more SW for the child, maintence from the father etc?

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

It's not law if to have a TV license if you don't own a TV, sell the TV problem solved and a few quid in the pocket

The world on the dole is depressing enough without taking away the one thing that is cheap and cheerful. That and its not my tv!!!

ntlbell wrote: »

I dunno, I wouldn't tend to eat that sort of stuff, if you have 100e I would concentrate on your fruit and veg and staying healthy, it's bad enough been out of work without been out of work and getting sick from a poor diet.

I do get them. I just don't pay Dunnes' prices for them I get mine in Tesco, it's cheaper!

ntlbell wrote: »

People who work can't afford to save but people on SW can? and then say they don't have enough money *shakes head*

€15 savings a week savings solely because I do not drink or smoke is hardly something to call securicor van!

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The world on the dole is depressing enough without taking away the one thing that is cheap and cheerful. That and its not my tv!!!

You could get a library card and read some books, it would also be a good oppotunity for you to upskill yourself, learn a new language etc, It's unlikley watching TV will be any benifit to you in the long run.

also it seems like you have a pc and internet access which could also be used for entertainment and learning.

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€15 savings a week savings solely because I do not drink or smoke is hardly something to call securicor van![/QUOTE]

i think been able to save 780 a year, would definitley suggest the SW is paying out too much.

No wonder some SW people can go on holidays, that would get a few weeks in benidorm :pac:

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

I can't recall the last time I got a bonus in a job, I think it was the boss buying me a point back in the 90's!

If you go to the st vincent de paul they will generally have some new toys that you can give to the kid.

But on the 196e do you not get child allowance and more SW for the child, maintence from the father etc?

You get another €25 a week, that barely keeps him in nappies and formula milk, he also needs children's snacks (rusks, ligas, etc) non bio washing powder. Vesties, clothes (and we are talking Pennys, Tescos and Dunnes too)

I only mentioned bonuses as I said, I was lucky enough to get it in my jobs, I did not realise that professionals were not given a bonus, that is maddening.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You get another €25 a week, that barely keeps him in nappies and formula milk, he also needs children's snacks (rusks, ligas, etc) non bio washing powder. Vesties, clothes (and we are talking Pennys, Tescos and Dunnes too)

I only mentioned bonuses as I said, I was lucky enough to get it in my jobs, I did not realise that professionals were not given a bonus, that is maddening.

Do you not get a montly childerens allowance payment also? if not you should prb look into that.

TerrorFirmer

As far as bonuses go, the best I've gotten in the past two years is a machine printed Christmas card. To be honest, though, back in the 'good' times it was obscure how readily bonuses were given out even for trivial things.

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

You could get a library card and read some books, it would also be a good oppotunity for you to upskill yourself, learn a new language etc, It's unlikley watching TV will be any benifit to you in the long run.

I get books in charity shops and have access to a library. I read books regarding national history, I also spend a lot of my day reading to my son. But he does need stimulation such as Dora and that too. Why should he not have the right to educational tv just because times are hard? It's not like I have it on all day!

ntlbell wrote: »

also it seems like you have a pc and internet access which could also be used for entertainment and learning.

This computer is quiet old, I have it from when I was working.

The internet is needed for college. As part of my course will include having to do a lot of home study! I have to sit an exam in a subject I will not be able to attend all the lectures of (mistake with my timetable:()

ntlbell wrote: »

i think been able to save 780 a year, would definitley suggest the SW is paying out too much.

No wonder some SW people can go on holidays, that would get a few weeks in benidorm :pac:

I have never been further than the UK in my life I definately could never imagine going to see my family in Cork now, let alone leave the country.

Can I check something ntlbell, if I have this right, you would have me sitting at home all day with nothing but the four walls to look at and not continue my education, while continue to draw JSA instead of bettering myself, getting a degree and contributing to society again

What kind of logic is that?

Anyone living on 11,000 a year is under the poverty line and you want them to go even further. What else, place us all in a slum?

I am in shock and confused at your logic?

wolfpawnat

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

As far as bonuses go, the best I've gotten in the past two years is a machine printed Christmas card. To be honest, though, back in the 'good' times it was obscure how readily bonuses were given out even for trivial things.

Indeed, I think now that pensions, pay and other things are being cut like crazy people need it more! I feel very much for the people who are waiting to get the real cost of the ESB estimations correction bill (usually is about €400 for many) and the heating will need to come on now soon. Though it is starting to get chilly, I do not have ours on yet. People will have to get in oil and also paid gas. A bit of help from the gov and bosses is needed for all under €35k a year!

Sandvich

ntlbell wrote: »

You could get a library card and read some books, it would also be a good oppotunity for you to upskill yourself, learn a new language etc, It's unlikley watching TV will be any benifit to you in the long run.

also it seems like you have a pc and internet access which could also be used for entertainment and learning.

€15 savings a week savings solely because I do not drink or smoke is hardly something to call securicor van![/QUOTE]

i think been able to save 780 a year, would definitley suggest the SW is paying out too much.

No wonder some SW people can go on holidays, that would get a few weeks in benidorm :pac:[/QUOTE]

Upskilling yourself is much easier with a computer and internet access as you say, something that can't be afforded with no spare cash, as well as disposable income to buy books and travel.

Also saving 780 a year too much? Really?

I don't see the issue with guaranteeing some basic quality of life beyond merely having enough to eat and cloth yourself with. Not everyone is able to get by on as little as some people, and showing yourself completely insensitive to this fact seems to be the issue here.

The whole argument you're pushing is a crock of **** based on getting oh so offended at what people on welfare can afford(He's on welfare but bought a Nintendo DS!!!!) while ignoring all the things the vast majority of people CAN'T manage to do on welfare. The vast majority of people do not prefer to be on welfare.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I get books in charity shops and have access to a library. I read books regarding national history, I also spend a lot of my day reading to my son. But he does need stimulation such as Dora and that too. Why should he not have the right to educational tv just because times are hard? It's not like I have it on all day!

I guess it's about what we choose to prioritise, it just gets back to my original point. if people choose to spend their money on something, then state how much they spend on non-essentials.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I have never been further than the UK in my life I definately could never imagine going to see my family in Cork now, let alone leave the country.

Can I check something ntlbell, if I have this right, you would have me sitting at home all day with nothing but the four walls to look at and not continue my education, while continue to draw JSA instead of bettering myself, getting a degree and contributing to society again

What kind of logic is that?

Anyone living on 11,000 a year is under the poverty line and you want them to go even further. What else, place us all in a slum?

I am in shock and confused at your logic?

I never said anything about you going to college, I was just suggesting that if you didn't have a TV you wouldn't be paying a license etc all money saving since you said you found it so hard.

I think it's excellent you're going back to college and I wish you all the best. that's not my issue. I'm just pointing out not about you specifically but if you can save on the SW i'm sure others can too. which would suggest that the SW payment is too much.

again I'm not sure people really get SW, it's not about sustaining a lifestyle it's a payment to get people over a hump while they find themselves in hard times to give them the minimum. housing/clothes/food/etc

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

But on the 196e do you not get child allowance and more SW for the child, maintence from the father etc?

As for maintenance, he is in college, depending on his mother and is not eligible for a grant. He cannot help. When he qualifies though he can step up to the plate. But thats in another 3 and a half years

ntlbell

Sandvich wrote: »

Upskilling yourself is much easier with a computer and internet access as you say, something that can't be afforded with no spare cash, as well as disposable income to buy books and travel.

You can get access to a PC in the vast majoritys of librarys with your library card, you can use it to reserve books in other libraries to your own library if they don't have a certain book also. all free.

Sandvich wrote: »

Also saving 780 a year too much? Really?

I don't see the issue with guaranteeing some basic quality of life beyond merely having enough to eat and cloth yourself with. Not everyone is able to get by on as little as some people, and showing yourself completely insensitive to this fact seems to be the issue here.

780e a year for someone working might not be a lot, but for someone on SW payments who claim they can't afford to get by from week to week can save 780e a week while paying for other non essentials like broadband/ntl/financing debt/etc etc. it doesn't hold much water. sounds like the SW is pretty generous.

Sandvich wrote: »

The whole argument you're pushing is a crock of **** based on getting oh so offended at what people on welfare can afford(He's on welfare but bought a Nintendo DS!!!!) while ignoring all the things the vast majority of people CAN'T manage to do on welfare. The vast majority of people do not prefer to be on welfare.

I'm not offended at all, I'm just showing why and how it can be reduced because most people in this thread especially who have put there argument forward have been using the SW to do things it's not really deisnged to do and also stating it's not enough.

nearly 40% of every euro we borrow daily is spent on SW while the country is on it's knees we can't afford it.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

As for maintenance, he is in college, depending on his mother and is not eligible for a grant. He cannot help. When he qualifies though he can step up to the plate. But thats in another 3 and a half years

well by law he should have to provide you with some help

can he not get a part time job?

Helix

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Eh the general idea is that by bringing the wage down everything else comes down over time, simple economics.

yeah, but in ireland bringing the wages down means more money for the paymasters, and we all know how greedy they are

Godge

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Indeed, I think now that pensions, pay and other things are being cut like crazy people need it more! I feel very much for the people who are waiting to get the real cost of the ESB estimations correction bill (usually is about €400 for many) and the heating will need to come on now soon. Though it is starting to get chilly, I do not have ours on yet. People will have to get in oil and also paid gas. A bit of help from the gov and bosses is needed for all under €35k a year!

In the UK a salary of €35k would put you into the middle class. There are many there who have salaries less than €20k.

We are no longer a rich country. We must work for lower wages. That means the safety net for those who earn less (minimum wage or social welfare) must also be lowered.

At the same time, we must eliminate the ways that some people avoid paying their fair share of tax.

Sandvich

ntlbell wrote: »

You can get access to a PC in the vast majoritys of librarys with your library card, you can use it to reserve books in other libraries to your own library if they don't have a certain book also. all free.

That means you're limited to library opening hours amongst other things.

Don't even pretend it's the same.

780e a year for someone working might not be a lot, but for someone on SW payments who claim they can't afford to get by from week to week can save 780e a week while paying for other non essentials like broadband/ntl/financing debt/etc etc. it doesn't hold much water. sounds like the SW is pretty generous.

I still don't see what the issue is being able to afford non essentials on SW. You claim people can go on holiday with that money, but then they have nothing less for anything for the rest of the year.

I don't see why it's necessary to completely starve people of non essentials. You are still ignoring the divide between social welfare and what you can afford on the average working wage.

If we can actually have a society where we can guarantee some quality of life to people out of work or between jobs then that's great. And, other countries have managed this. Remember, people on disability recieve the same amount as JSA too.

I believe this entirely to be a spiteful argument, which probably presumes that all of the 500,000 on welfare currently are dole scroungers.

I'm not offended at all, I'm just showing why and how it can be reduced because most people in this thread especially who have put there argument forward have been using the SW to do things it's not really deisnged to do and also stating it's not enough.

nearly 40% of every euro we borrow daily is spent on SW while the country is on it's knees we can't afford it.

Nearly all of that is money that's going back into a bad economy. It's not going nowhere and healthy welfare is largely the reason other european countries' economies are recovering. They didn't look at the same cutbacks we're facing.

Sandvich

ntlbell wrote: »

well by law he should have to provide you with some help

can he not get a part time job?

Are you serious? If the solution to everyone's problem was that easy we wouldn't be having such a problem then would we :rolleyes:

Do you have any idea what's going on in this country?

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

I guess it's about what we choose to prioritise, it just gets back to my original point. if people choose to spend their money on something, then state how much they spend on non-essentials.

A Euro here and there for a book is not exactly breaking the bank.

The SW is there to give a BASIC level of living standard, enough to feed, clothe, and keep you. You are not supposed to be going on holidays, but enough to live.

ntlbell wrote: »

I never said anything about you going to college, I was just suggesting that if you didn't have a TV you wouldn't be paying a license etc all money saving since you said you found it so hard.

Its not my tv I cannot touch it.

ntlbell wrote: »

I think it's excellent you're going back to college and I wish you all the best. that's not my issue. I'm just pointing out not about you specifically but if you can save on the SW i'm sure others can too. which would suggest that the SW payment is too much.

The money I save will be gone in one single months creche fees. Poof, gone! I haven't been saving a year, I have €350. Thats it

ntlbell wrote: »

again I'm not sure people really get SW, it's not about sustaining a lifestyle it's a payment to get people over a hump while they find themselves in hard times to give them the minimum. housing/clothes/food/etc

And that is what I am saying. Just keeping you from ending up on the streets.

I cannot see how the people expect the likes of me to get out of the poverty trap without financial assistance. I will not be buying any of my college books, but my SW payments in January will have to fund;

- Buses
- Creche
- Food
- Gas
- ESB
- Credit
- Rent
- Loan repayments (I will have to take one out)

How else am I going to do that. Monthly my income is 1053.20 (225.80 x 4 SW + 150 CB) which will both be cut. And my expenditure, will be roughly
€68 for a monthly bus ticket (cheapest bus ticket option)
€500 for a creche
€200 rent
€30 half the gas bill as it comes every 2 months
€30 half the ESB, I am hoping this will be the cost after xmas when we are not home as often! It is far higher at the moment!
€20 Phone Credit (again cheapest option overall)

Without a loan or food or clothes that is €848

At my current payments €1053.20 - €848 = €205.20

Dole is expected to get a €10 cut and CB is getting a supposed €15, so minus €55 from my monthly income, that leaves, €150 for food and clothes!:(

Oh and my son is due to go to a consultant because the hole in his heart is not closing. Thats €120!

How, dear god do you think it can be done!!!

ntlbell

Sandvich wrote: »

That means you're limited to library opening hours amongst other things.

Don't even pretend it's the same.

Well considering most libraries are open till 8pm and are open 6 days a week and people on SW don't exactly have a packed social agenda, should it really be that much of an issue?

Sandvich wrote: »

I still don't see what the issue is being able to afford non essentials on SW. You claim people can go on holiday with that money, but then they have nothing less for anything for the rest of the year.

Well firstly because we can't afford to pay for it. secondly, why would anyone bother working if they could live comfortably on SW?

Sandvich wrote: »

I don't see why it's necessary to completely starve people of non essentials. You are still ignoring the divide between social welfare and what you can afford on the average working wage.

What people spend their own hard earned money on is not my concern. financing other peoples lifestyles on SW is. we can't afford it. it's that simple, so it needs to be cut.

Sandvich wrote: »

If we can actually have a society where we can guarantee some quality of life to people out of work or between jobs then that's great. And, other countries have managed this. Remember, people on disability recieve the same amount as JSA too.

Countires that do this, France for example, depending on your previous earnings you get a % of that for your SW this keeps the person in a similar lifestyle to what they had before while looking for a new job. The difference this is drastically reduced each year after the person spends on the dole. I have no problem with this system and would welcome the change.

Sandvich wrote: »

I believe this entirely to be a spiteful argument, which probably presumes that all of the 500,000 on welfare currently are dole scroungers.

not at all, but we can't afford it. scorungers or hard working people falling on bad luck, we can't afford it.

Sandvich wrote: »

Nearly all of that is money that's going back into a bad economy. It's not going nowhere and healthy welfare is largely the reason other european countries' economies are recovering. They didn't look at the same cutbacks we're facing.

The money is being borrwed daily at high interest rates, it could be going to more benifical causes which would actually generate jobs and reduce the cost of borrowing.

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

well by law he should have to provide you with some help

can he not get a part time job?

He is a vet student. He has lectures from 9-5/6 5 days a week, plus has to study at weekends, add that to spending time being a father and sleeping, I cannot see where the work is supposed to happen.

Then of course there is the fact barristers and accountants applying for MaccyD's I don't think there is even a chance of that!

He cannot help, that is a far cry from not wanting to!

tails_naf

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I think Careerist Single Mothers are the scurge of modern Ireland! I know I can claim these things, but I am too embarrassed as it is claiming what I am

I am going getting my degree and paying the tax payer back EVERY single cent I have had to take in this time!!!!

I applaud you. So many people nowadays are out to get everything they can, it's take take take - whether it be people on SW, Government, Public Sector or private sector workers - everyone wants, and feels they somehow deserve, everything. You however show us, that even someone with very little, takes only what you truly need.

It is that kind of attitude that would get us though this - and I just wish more people could see and take to heart what an example you are making.

I wish you the best of luck in your degree!

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

A Euro here and there for a book is not exactly breaking the bank.

I think you're missing the point on this as you're looking at your situation. I'm talking in a general sense if people on SW can cave 800e or so a year, then it's a little hard to understand the claims that it's not enough.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Its not my tv I cannot touch it.

then why do you have to pay the license?

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The money I save will be gone in one single months creche fees. Poof, gone! I haven't been saving a year, I have €350. Thats it

Again, your missing my point on this, it's not about what you spend it on. it's the fact people on SW can.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

And that is what I am saying. Just keeping you from ending up on the streets.

I cannot see how the people expect the likes of me to get out of the poverty trap without financial assistance. I will not be buying any of my college books, but my SW payments in January will have to fund;

- Buses
- Creche
- Food
- Gas
- ESB
- Credit
- Rent
- Loan repayments (I will have to take one out)

I thought the goverment gave some sort of suppliment for creche's? You should look at that. Also might be an idea to get the father of your child to start putting money towards it also as it is his legal obligation to put money towards it.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

How else am I going to do that. Monthly my income is 1053.20 (225.80 x 4 SW + 150 CB) which will both be cut. And my expenditure, will be roughly
€68 for a monthly bus ticket (cheapest bus ticket option)
€500 for a creche
€200 rent
€30 half the gas bill as it comes every 2 months
€30 half the ESB, I am hoping this will be the cost after xmas when we are not home as often! It is far higher at the moment!
€20 Phone Credit (again cheapest option overall)

Without a loan or food or clothes that is €848

At my current payments €1053.20 - €848 = €205.20

Dole is expected to get a €10 cut and CB is getting a supposed €15, so minus €55 from my monthly income, that leaves, €150 for food and clothes!:(

Oh and my son is due to go to a consultant because the hole in his heart is not closing. Thats €120!

How, dear god do you think it can be done!!!

Again you should look into everyting your entitled to and again, the father of your child should be helping out here financially should leave you with more.

I mean expecting the tax payer to pay when the father of your child is not. it's his legal obligation to do so

Godge

wolfpawnat wrote: »

A Euro here and there for a book is not exactly breaking the bank.

The SW is there to give a BASIC level of living standard, enough to feed, clothe, and keep you. You are not supposed to be going on holidays, but enough to live.




Its not my tv I cannot touch it.



The money I save will be gone in one single months creche fees. Poof, gone! I haven't been saving a year, I have €350. Thats it



And that is what I am saying. Just keeping you from ending up on the streets.

I cannot see how the people expect the likes of me to get out of the poverty trap without financial assistance. I will not be buying any of my college books, but my SW payments in January will have to fund;

- Buses
- Creche
- Food
- Gas
- ESB
- Credit
- Rent
- Loan repayments (I will have to take one out)

How else am I going to do that. Monthly my income is 1053.20 (225.80 x 4 SW + 150 CB) which will both be cut. And my expenditure, will be roughly
€68 for a monthly bus ticket (cheapest bus ticket option)
€500 for a creche
€200 rent
€30 half the gas bill as it comes every 2 months
€30 half the ESB, I am hoping this will be the cost after xmas when we are not home as often! It is far higher at the moment!
€20 Phone Credit (again cheapest option overall)

Without a loan or food or clothes that is €848

At my current payments €1053.20 - €848 = €205.20

Dole is expected to get a €10 cut and CB is getting a supposed €15, so minus €55 from my monthly income, that leaves, €150 for food and clothes!:(

Oh and my son is due to go to a consultant because the hole in his heart is not closing. Thats €120!

How, dear god do you think it can be done!!!

1. Do you not get rent supplement?
2. While you indicate in another post that the father cannot contribute financially, I note you have €500 on creche fees. Can he help during college holidays and reduce that cost? It would be less than €500 if you used a childminder.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

He is a vet student. He has lectures from 9-5/6 5 days a week, plus has to study at weekends, add that to spending time being a father and sleeping, I cannot see where the work is supposed to happen.

Then of course there is the fact barristers and accountants applying for MaccyD's I don't think there is even a chance of that!

He cannot help, that is a far cry from not wanting to!

lots of people have very hectic college schedules, but he has responsibilities now i'm sure he could find a few hours to support his child, after all we can't leave it to the tax payer

wolfpawnat

ntlbell wrote: »

I thought the goverment gave some sort of suppliment for creche's? You should look at that. Also might be an idea to get the father of your child to start putting money towards it also as it is his legal obligation to put money towards it.

The creche going from €1,000 to €500 is the help you get. You get a year of 15 hours free a week when the child is 4, you have to pay for anything you want before that yourself.

ntlbell wrote: »

Again you should look into everyting your entitled to and again, the father of your child should be helping out here financially should leave you with more.

I mean expecting the tax payer to pay when the father of your child is not. it's his legal obligation to do so

He cannot, there are no jobs so he has a choice. Dole and not go anywhere in life, or suffer it out and be a proper comtributor to society in 3 and a half years! How am I expecting the taxpayer to pay I am not on OPFP. Also he and I when qualified will be paying large taxes so we will be repaying the tax payer!

Godge wrote: »

1. Do you not get rent supplement?
2. While you indicate in another post that the father cannot contribute financially, I note you have €500 on creche fees. Can he help during college holidays and reduce that cost? It would be less than €500 if you used a childminder.

I do get rent supplement, I have to pay €200 myself on top of that!

During midterm/holiday he has to spend time working in different sectors of animals dairy farming, beef farming, domestic pets, etc. There is no time for work. Last summer he had about 4 weeks off in total in a few scattered days here and there. SO no he cant even work outside college term.

Him being a student at UCD heightens the chances of us getting the full 50% off the creche fees.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The creche going from €1,000 to €500 is the help you get. You get a year of 15 hours free a week when the child is 4, you have to pay for anything you want before that yourself.

Ah ok, that's not too bad, if the childs father could just add a bit would take a lot of preasure off

wolfpawnat wrote: »

He cannot, there are no jobs so he has a choice. Dole and not go anywhere in life, or suffer it out and be a proper comtributor to society in 3 and a half years! How am I expecting the taxpayer to pay I am not on OPFP. Also he and I when qualified will be paying large taxes so we will be repaying the tax payer!

Well I'm sorry if my mother and father just said sorry son there's no jobs out there, I don't think i'd have got very far in life.

Has he gone house to house and offered to wash local housing areas windows? cut their grass? it's one thing when your single saying there's no jobs out there but when you're a father of a child you find the way to make the money hail rain or snow you're out there looking for a job. i'm sure he could make money somehow if he put the effort in

Stercus Accidit

I'm going to bump the last thread rather than start a new one.

Just recently with the announcement of an internship scheme with 5000 new positions and minimal financial motivations, is it time to just reduce the minimum wage and hopefully the cost of living with it?

If unpaid positions are a desirable thing, why not payed positions for slightly less than would be expected now?

I can only imagine that it would allow for slightly lowered wages across the board, long term reductions in costs of living, and allow reductions in the dole in line with deflation of Irish cost of living expenses.

I am no economist by any means, but at this stage, is it a viable solution in the long term with the aim of reducing Ireland's high cost of living and thereby attract companies, create jobs and reduce our national debt?

So, if unpaid positions are attractive, why not just take the plunge and reduce min wage and hopefully create jobs, taxpayers and an overall cost of living decrease?

RichardAnd

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I'm going to bump the last thread rather than start a new one.

Just recently with the announcement of an internship scheme with 5000 new positions and minimal financial motivations, is it time to just reduce the minimum wage and hopefully the cost of living with it?

If unpaid positions are a desirable thing, why not payed positions for slightly less than would be expected now?

I can only imagine that it would allow for slightly lowered wages across the board, long term reductions in costs of living, and allow reductions in the dole in line with deflation of Irish cost of living expenses.

I am no economist by any means, but at this stage, is it a viable solution in the long term with the aim of reducing Ireland's high cost of living and thereby attract companies, create jobs and reduce our national debt?

So, if unpaid positions are attractive, why not just take the plunge and reduce min wage and hopefully create jobs, taxpayers and an overall cost of living decrease?

I started a thread on the subject yesterday. I think min wage would be a far amount to pay interns but the payment should be coming from the employers who take on the interns and not the state. I read that about 1000 companies are interested in this scheme, some of which are very profitable.

The government of a country should not be making it possible for private industry to take on "employees" free of charge to them and at a cost to the state.

Nijmegen

RichardAnd wrote: »

I started a thread on the subject yesterday. I think min wage would be a far amount to pay interns but the payment should be coming from the employers who take on the interns and not the state. I read that about 1000 companies are interested in this scheme, some of which are very profitable.

The government of a country should not be making it possible for private industry to take on "employees" free of charge to them and at a cost to the state.

I think though that you are missing a fundamental point about internships - they only add marginal value compared to a salaried employee. It's an education post. The advantage to the company of which is creating a workforce and an ecosystem with the qualifications it and its partners need to draw on to grow in future.

Paying minimum wage to interns is essentially a big jobs program, not a training and skills program. Sure, every company with profits could hire all the unemployed people tomorrow and life would be hunkey dorey.

Unfortunately, the companies won't see a big return on all those people and many of them will not have suitable skills either.

In a good internship, the intern gains more than the company. That's how my company does it, that's how the companies I know do it, and that's how I got my start.

motherriley

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Oh and my son is due to go to a consultant because the hole in his heart is not closing. Thats €120!

How, dear god do you think it can be done!!!

I would have thought that you would be eligible for some extra moeny for your son's disabilty, not sure how these things work in ireland but in Uk if you got a disabled dependent then you can claim some allowance.