Ireland vs South Africa Match Thread, 5:30pm Sat 6 November; RTÉ2/BBC2

PhatPiggins

handsomecake wrote: »

hope patrick lambie gets on the pitch this weekend. very talented kid.be interested to see how good he is against international opposition

Has looked the business in the Currie Cup but that's not even top tier HC standard. Should get game time considering the make up of the squad

Podge_irl

South Africa

15. Gio Aplon
14. Bjorn Basson
13. Zane Kirchner
12. Jean de Villiers/*Patrick Lambie
11. Bryan Habana
10. Morne Steyn
9. Ruan Pienaar

8. Pierre Spies
7. Juan Smith
6. Deon Stegmann
5. Victor Matfield (captain)
4. Bakkies Botha
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Bismarck du Plessis
1. Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements:
16. Chiliboy Ralepelle
17. CJ van der Linde
18. Flip van der Merwe
19. *Willem Alberts/*Keegan Daniel
20. Francois Hougaard
21. Adi Jacobs
22. *Patrick Lambie/*Lwazi Mvovo

jolley123

Podge_irl wrote: »

South Africa

15. Gio Aplon
14. Bjorn Basson
13. Zane Kirchner
12. Jean de Villiers/*Patrick Lambie
11. Bryan Habana
10. Morne Steyn
9. Ruan Pienaar

8. Pierre Spies
7. Juan Smith
6. Deon Stegmann
5. Victor Matfield (captain)
4. Bakkies Botha
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Bismarck du Plessis
1. Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements:
16. Chiliboy Ralepelle
17. CJ van der Linde
18. Flip van der Merwe
19. *Willem Alberts/*Keegan Daniel
20. Francois Hougaard
21. Adi Jacobs
22. *Patrick Lambie/*Lwazi Mvovo

I'm pretty happy with that team. I was worried he was going to play Houggard on the wing, that guy is awsome. I think Drico and Darce are going to have a bit of fun playing against that midfield provided deVilliers isn't playing. Having said that, I havn't seen much of Lambie to make a proper judgment. Ferris should be prominent with the absence of Burger and Buckley vs The Beast will be interesting. For me though, the two biggest battles are Steyn v Sexton and Spies v Heaslip.

buck65

Chiliboy:D

thomond2006

I can't believe he's picked Pienaar ahead of Hougaard.

Can't wait to see how Lambie does if he starts or comes off the bench. I've only seen highlight clips of him but he looks the real deal, in the James Hook mould.

Kirchner is an overrated player and is out of the position at centre. If BOD is good to go he will embarrass him IMO.

Ireland by 5-8 points.

PhatPiggins

thomond2006 wrote: »

I can't believe he's picked Pienaar ahead of Hougaard.

Can't wait to see how Lambie does if he starts or comes off the bench. I've only seen highlight clips of him but he looks the real deal, in the James Hook mould.

Kirchner is an overrated player and is out of the position at centre. If BOD is good to go he will embarrass him IMO.

Ireland by 5-8 points.

Has a bit of a second team feel about it and save some of the big guns for the teams that we have a better chance of beating

Bugnug

Hey Guys,

Is the game being shown live on RTE/BBC?

Cheers.

rugbug86

Bugnug wrote: »

Hey Guys,

Is the game being shown live on RTE/BBC?

Cheers.

Check the thread title.

Digifriendly

rugbug86 wrote: »

Check the thread title.

Title doesn't actually say 'live' but it is live on both BBC2/RTE2.

Bugnug

rugbug86 wrote: »

Check the thread title.

Tosser.

PhatPiggins

Bugnug versus rugbug :pac:

Don King couldn't make up a better fight title

Nuigforce

Bugnug wrote: »

Tosser.

overraction police

handsomecake

how hougaard isnt in the team ahead of perennial flake ruan pienaar i dont know.

that springboks team is weak and if they go behind early doors by 8 points or so the heads will drop. spies hasnt looked up for it at all this year.

however with that in mind they could be anything(lambie,kirchner at 13 ,basson).like a maiden hurdle in thurles.

wixfjord

If rugby was played with a backrow and 7 backs we'd win this handy, but it's not, and we wont. Out front 5 for this game is one of the poorest any of the top 9 or so nations will out out over the next few weeks.

profitius

Ireland should win although if SA dominated the lineout and scrums it could be a disaster. I think ireland will by 7 or more considering all the disadvantages SA have coming into this game.

Podge_irl

profitius wrote: »

Ireland should win although if SA dominated the lineout and scrums it could be a disaster. I think ireland will by 7 or more considering all the disadvantages SA have coming into this game.

Not sure it'll be much of an if. Our lineout is looking dodgy and Healy and Buckley are hardly scrummaging behemoths.

Think Ireland will have enough outside of that to win if their defence holds up though.

Goodluck2me

Podge_irl wrote: »

Not sure it'll be much of an if. Our lineout is looking dodgy and Healy and Buckley are hardly scrummaging behemoths.

Think Ireland will have enough outside of that to win if their defence holds up though.

South Africa are actually much better in the lineout so it will certainly be a contest there, I think as you say it will be a tight match on nearly that fact alone.

redroar1942

Podge_irl wrote: »

Not sure it'll be much of an if. Our lineout is looking dodgy and Healy and Buckley are hardly scrummaging behemoths.

Think Ireland will have enough outside of that to win if their defence holds up though.

If Ireland actually use their backline properly they should win alright.

SA are nearing rabble status at this stage I can see this tour being as disastrous as last years

ALH-06

redroar1942 wrote: »

If Ireland actually use their backline properly they should win alright.

SA are nearing rabble status at this stage

A front five of the Beast, the Du Plessis bros, Bakkies and Matfield doesn't quite qualify as 'rabble status'.

I have serious, serious concerns for our scrum and pack.

[Jackass]

That's some SA pack. I can't see us matching them in the set piece. Shame O'Connell / Cullen aren't there, probably our two best line out operators and that SA second row is as good as it gets.

I don't think our pack will be demolished, but I don't think we'll find parity.

Interesting to see if CJ comes on. How typical would it be if he had gotten 80 minutes and played a stormer. :rolleyes:

Sexton was excellent v SA last time, really hope he has a big game. We're better in the backs.

twinytwo

ALH-06 wrote: »

A front five of the Beast, the Du Plessis bros, Bakkies and Matfield doesn't quite qualify as 'rabble status'.

I have serious, serious concerns for our scrum and pack.

Firstly the beast isnt all that good... Ya matfield is a god when it comes to the lineout. But Botha is nearly a show in for at least a yellow

[Jackass]

[Jackass] wrote: »

Interesting to see if CJ comes on.

Leinster players will know his weakness - "Go for the big toe!"

Mr.Applepie

[Jackass] wrote: »

Interesting to see if CJ comes on. How typical would it be if he had gotten 80 minutes and played a stormer. :rolleyes:

Sexton was excellent v SA last time, really hope he has a big game. We're better in the backs.

Don't knock CJ. He may have been a terrible prop for us put he's been a wonderful scout - he was very influential in bring Strauss over here.

On topic - I agree our front five look weak when compared to SA. I guess were about to find out if Buckley/Healy can scrummage

anonymous_joe

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

Don't knock CJ. He may have been a terrible prop for us put he's been a wonderful scout - he was very influential in bring Strauss over here.

On topic - I agree our front five look weak when compared to SA. I guess were about to find out if Buckley/Healy can scrummage

CJ was good for us when he was fit. Very good in fact.

Mr.Applepie

anonymous_joe wrote: »

CJ was good for us when he was fit. Very good in fact.

I was using the following formula to base my opinion

Good Games - Games spent injured = opinion.

He came out on the wrong side

sock puppet

Saw a few lads from the South African squad out shopping on Grafton Street earlier. Good to see they're not stressing out too much about the game.

padser

sock puppet wrote: »

Saw a few lads from the South African squad out shopping on Grafton Street earlier. Good to see they're not stressing out too much about the game.

Really good point - It's very surprising that they don't spend the entire 24 hours before the game sitting alone in their hotel room.

Bugnug

sock puppet wrote: »

Saw a few lads from the South African squad out shopping on Grafton Street earlier. Good to see they're not stressing out too much about the game.

What would you expect them to do? Sit in their hotel rooms quaking in their boots?

Bugnug

Ireland are going to take a hiding tomorrow for 3 reasons, Mick O Driscoll, David Wallace and Peter Stringer.

andrewdcs

They only flew in this morning apparently, so I'd be expecting them to be sleeping off a 12 hr flight (not that theres any lag from SA obv.) and possibly introducing themselves to each other!

Fiscal stimulus from professional sportsmen is just what we need. Lets fly ManU / City / Chelsea in every weekend! And sell them some anglo shares (or is it bonds?), worked on Abramovitch.

andrewdcs

If the weather is bad (wind / rain / IMF etc.) it's the old cliches and a coin toss.
if it's ok conditions we should score tries against this team if we can get the ball moving, stringer can't be knocked on that front, okay wallace has shown some age and I've never been a huge MOD fan but he's playing really really well in a strong Munster team at the moment.

SA team have not played much rugby together, needless to say they'll be higer standard than your average Magners player, and hard tackling bruisers, but with the backline and backrow we have I'm feeling reasonably confident.

some_dose

Bugnug wrote: »

Ireland are going to take a hiding tomorrow for 3 reasons, Mick O Driscoll, David Wallace and Peter Stringer.

Ehh, explain please?

Auvers

Bugnug wrote: »

Ireland are going to take a hiding tomorrow for 3 reasons, Mick O Driscoll, David Wallace and Peter Stringer.

hate to use the rolleyes, but for that comment :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

some_dose wrote: »

Ehh, explain please?

they dont play for Leinster, I suppose

Thanos

some_dose wrote: »

Ehh, explain please?

He is just looking for a reaction, don't entertain him..................

sock puppet

padser wrote: »

Really good point - It's very surprising that they don't spend the entire 24 hours before the game sitting alone in their hotel room.

Eh what? I was just remarking that it's a little odd for a team to do all their preparation outside of the host country that's all.

Bugnug

some_dose wrote: »

Ehh, explain please?

Mick O Driscoll is simply not good enough at this level. Whether you are from Leinster , Munster, Ulster or Connacht I think we can all agree on that.

David Wallace is not match fit.

Peter Stringer does not have the physical presence for playing against SH teams.

I am also not that gone on the idea of Rob Kearney starting and I think Darcy will probably struggle.

Bugnug

Thanos wrote: »

He is just looking for a reaction, don't entertain him..................

Too late!

phog

Bugnug wrote: »

Ireland are going to take a hiding tomorrow for 3 reasons, Mick O Driscoll, David Wallace and Peter Stringer.

Tommy Cooper's one liners dont you just love them

The Rooster

not my own work

Head to head

Tony Buckley vs Tendai Mtawarira - One of these lads is known as the Beast, the other is an illegal immigrant, only one way this is going, Mtawarira will be lucky to come out of this alive - Adv Ireland

Rory Best vs Bismarck Du Plessis - Bismarck is the name of a ship that went down faster than the Belgrano, Rory Best is from Ulster - Adv Ireland

Cian Healy vs Jannie Du Plessis - Only being picked becuase your brother is at hooker must be a bit shight - adv Ireland

Mick O'Driscoll vs Bakkies Botha - Mick O'Driscoll or Mick O-focking-Driscoll as he is known to his fans is up against Baby eater supreme Bakkies,hopefully Mick's ineffectiveness at this level is some sort of targeted pathogen that only affects bible basher saffer types. - Adv SA

Donncha O'Callaghan vs Victor Matfield - A man who has a pet lobster up against a man who willingly hid a steel bar held up his arm in order to maim opponents, in the interest of fairness only one way this is going - Adv Ireland

Stephen Ferris vs Juan Smith - Fez is a big bastord and gutted he didn't get to play against SA for the Lions, in his own words he "wanted to rip of that saffer cnut's head and molest his windpipe", Juan was unavailable for comment - Even

David Wallace vs Deon Steggman - Wally vs who? some no name cnut that's who, I haven't heard of him therefore he's shight - Adv Ireland

Jamie Heaslip vs Pierre Spies - Pierre will be spying thats for sure, peaking over rucks to get a look at his majestic opposite number galloping about the pitch like gazelle, all the while doing a good impression of an Irish sub, looking impressive while not doing much on the pitch - Adv Ireland

Eoin Reddan vs Ruan Pienaar - Reddan is gash, lets not hold back here, he's focking garbage, Ruan tormented Glasgow not six weeks ago - adv SA

Jonathan Sexton vs Morne Steyn - Steyn will be mourned for sure after the Secsi bomb layeth the smacketh down. - Adv Ireland

Luke Fitzgerald vs Bjorn Basson - Fitz is up against the cross between a WWI poet and a majestic tennis player, no contest - Adv Ireland

Gordon D'Arcy vs Jean De Villers - D'Arcy is just waiting for Jean to remember what happened the last time he played an Irish team, Jean is trying to forget but the thought of being skullfocked by an Irish centre as it yet again sends shivers down his spine - Adv Ireland

Brian O'Driscoll vs Zane Kirchner - The blessed one continues to amaze and this time he's up against a character from the simpsons, he's also got a stupid name, who does he he think he is a kiwi ffs? Adv Ireland

Tommy Bowe vs Bryan Habana - Tommy is a glorious singer and an even better rugby player, Bryan once raced a cheetah (and lost) I expect the same result this weekend - Adv ireland

Rob Kearney vs Gio Aplon - Super Rob will come out on top I mean Super Gio doesn't quite work.- Adv Ireland.

some_dose

Bugnug wrote: »

Mick O Driscoll is simply not good enough at this level. Whether you are from Leinster , Munster, Ulster or Connacht I think we can all agree on that.

David Wallace is not match fit.

Peter Stringer does not have the physical presence for playing against SH teams.

I am also not that gone on the idea of Rob Kearney starting and I think Darcy will probably struggle.

MOD -OK I can agree with you there

Wally - Pull the other one. Man's a legend

Stringer - So you'd rather the impending disaster that will be Reddan?

Kearney - Actually I happen to agree with you here. Not sure of him at all

Username37

serious one...

Tony Buckley vs Tendai Mtawarira

Rory Best vs Bismarck Du Plessis

Cian Healy vs Jannie Du Plessis

Mick O'Driscoll vs Bakkies Botha

Donncha O'Callaghan vs Victor Matfield

Stephen Ferris vs Juan Smith (current form)

David Wallace vs Deon Steggman (current form, Steggman is probably the best openside in the super 14 right now)

Jamie Heaslip vs Pierre Spies

Eoin Reddan vs Ruan Pienaar

Jonathan Sexton vs Morne Steyn

Luke Fitzgerald vs Bjorn Basson

Gordon D'Arcy vs Jean De Villers - EVEN

Brian O'Driscoll vs Zane Kirchner

Tommy Bowe vs Bryan Habana - EVEN

Rob Kearney vs Gio Aplon


Kind of depressing actually.

padser

sock puppet wrote: »

Eh what? I was just remarking that it's a little odd for a team to do all their preparation outside of the host country that's all.

I'm confused - how does this quote

"Saw a few lads from the South African squad out shopping on Grafton Street earlier. Good to see they're not stressing out too much about the game"

which I was replaying to, mean

"it's a little odds for a team to do all their preparation outside of the host country"

???????? Eh what is right!!!

ro75

Anyone know what bars in Manhatten will be showing this??

Thanks

sock puppet

padser wrote: »

I'm confused - how does this quote

"Saw a few lads from the South African squad out shopping on Grafton Street earlier. Good to see they're not stressing out too much about the game"

which I was replaying to, mean

"it's a little odds for a team to do all their preparation outside of the host country"

???????? Eh what is right!!!

I wasn't being serious. The team just flew in yesterday so if they were shopping today it doesn't leave much time for preparation!

Bugnug

some_dose wrote: »

MOD -OK I can agree with you there

Wally - Pull the other one. Man's a legend

Stringer - So you'd rather the impending disaster that will be Reddan?

Kearney - Actually I happen to agree with you here. Not sure of him at all

Legend or not (I agree) he's not fit. Reddan is the best of a very poor bunch of scrum halves that we have.

Our scrum will be torn apart, we will spend the day on the back foot with Heaslip trying to retrieve go back ball at the base of the scum. That will knacker him out. He is the best player we have.

As a result of this our backs will see very little ball and will spend the day defending. We will concede several kickable penalties and loose.

MOD and DOC will be destroyed in the lineout. I predict a healthy win for SA 21 - 9.

phog

Bugnug wrote: »

I predict a healthy win for SA 21 - 9.

If you're so confident what odds will you give? I'm sure there are loads of posters on here willing to take a punt on this Irish team.

corny

Bugnug wrote: »

Legend or not (I agree) he's not fit. Reddan is the best of a very poor bunch of scrum halves that we have.

Our scrum will be torn apart, we will spend the day on the back foot with Heaslip trying to retrieve go back ball at the base of the scum. That will knacker him out. He is the best player we have.

As a result of this our backs will see very little ball and will spend the day defending. We will concede several kickable penalties and loose.

MOD and DOC will be destroyed in the lineout. I predict a healthy win for SA 21 - 9.

While i'd agree SA have the upper hand i can't see us not taking at least a score off their patched up backline.

Digifriendly

Bugnug wrote: »

Legend or not (I agree) he's not fit. Reddan is the best of a very poor bunch of scrum halves that we have.

Our scrum will be torn apart, we will spend the day on the back foot with Heaslip trying to retrieve go back ball at the base of the scum. That will knacker him out. He is the best player we have.

As a result of this our backs will see very little ball and will spend the day defending. We will concede several kickable penalties and loose.

MOD and DOC will be destroyed in the lineout. I predict a healthy win for SA 21 - 9.

Very depressing reading. As regards Scrum halves Stringer has been excellent recently - one of the reasons Munster won last weekend. I would have started with him vs SA. Paul O'Connell will be missed but I still think the scrum/line out will hold up but we'll wait and see.

irishbucsfan

Username37 wrote: »

serious one...

Tony Buckley vs Tendai Mtawarira

Rory Best vs Bismarck Du Plessis

Cian Healy vs Jannie Du Plessis

Mick O'Driscoll vs Bakkies Botha

Donncha O'Callaghan vs Victor Matfield

Stephen Ferris vs Juan Smith (current form)

David Wallace vs Deon Steggman (current form, Steggman is probably the best openside in the super 14 right now)

Jamie Heaslip vs Pierre Spies

Eoin Reddan vs Ruan Pienaar

Jonathan Sexton vs Morne Steyn

Luke Fitzgerald vs Bjorn Basson

Gordon D'Arcy vs Jean De Villers - EVEN

Brian O'Driscoll vs Zane Kirchner

Tommy Bowe vs Bryan Habana - EVEN

Rob Kearney vs Gio Aplon


Kind of depressing actually.

Rubbish...

Picking the beast ahead of anyone is a joke. Or the Du Plessis' for that matter.

The only place on the pitch they have an advantage over us is the Second Row. Steggman is completely out of his depth in a game where the rules are being changed at his expense.

CouchSmart

Username37 wrote: »

serious one...

Tony Buckley vs Tendai Mtawarira

Rory Best vs Bismarck Du Plessis

Cian Healy vs Jannie Du Plessis

Mick O'Driscoll vs Bakkies Botha

Donncha O'Callaghan vs Victor Matfield

Stephen Ferris vs Juan Smith (current form)

David Wallace vs Deon Steggman (current form, Steggman is probably the best openside in the super 14 right now)

Jamie Heaslip vs Pierre Spies

Eoin Reddan vs Ruan Pienaar

Jonathan Sexton vs Morne Steyn

Luke Fitzgerald vs Bjorn Basson

Gordon D'Arcy vs Jean De Villers - EVEN

Brian O'Driscoll vs Zane Kirchner

Tommy Bowe vs Bryan Habana - EVEN

Rob Kearney vs Gio Aplon


Kind of depressing actually.

I would think D'Arcy and Bowe are better than their counterparts. Habana has been ****e this season.

Up front a lot of the SA players you have marked as better are only slightly better, if even, but all in all I'd agree, would think Wally is better than Steggman mind.