New Rules for C class/Amateur/Semi Pro! fights

Killme00

Finian123 wrote: »

but the guy dosent feel it because he was wearing a head guard

You still feel the shots and the hard ones still ring your bell. Headgear is more for stopping cuts than anything else.

bjj-fighter

Well Finian I have no idea what you mean when you say "it takes away mma from the cage" but I can tell you first hand from fighting on Barry Oglesby's first headgear-used amatuer show that any shot still hurts, why sacrifice the safety for teenagers just so 'it hurts more'. I was TKO'd by a hard right uppercut, and headgear or no headgear, I wouldve been on my arse regardless. I also had a swollen black eye, cut lips and marks all over my face and you still say that you cant feel it. I think you just need to relax a bit on your whole "cage fighter" attitude, you're only 14 and have all the time in the world to improve your skills and mature before you should fight. I know that from my own experiances because I was once an eager 14yo like you. I dont mean to sound condecending, just giving my point of view. But I do think you need to change your views about headgear.

I met you at the Irish Open I think Finian. Are you competing in the MMA league? I think that'd be a good idea.

Raze_them_all

Finian123 wrote: »

i dont like the idea of headguards for u16s ??
was lookin forward 2 gettin into the cage myself after xmas but now am not to intersted because of da headguards.
i thought headguards were really just for amaetur boxing ? i think it takes away mma from the cage if ur wearin a headguard u come in with a big knee or right hand that wud do good damage but the guy dosent feel it because he was wearing a head guard and how wud the ground work never tried it with 1 on but something i will try soon any advice comments feel free to give me ur opinion on the subject
thanks in advance

A big knee/right hand to the chin/face will still rock you. in head gear.

Trust me you'll get your bell rung enough after u16, fight in head gear till you get used to it.

curious100

I definitely believe that the new unified rule set is great for MMA and the rules which have been put in place are well thought out.

However, after reading Finians comment

Finian123 wrote: »

i dont like the idea of headguards for u16s ??
Yes he probably will get use to headgear if he hasn't been fighting yet without it. But, what about the u16 that has been fighting in the cage and hasn't been using headgear will he like the idea of headgear, will he be disadvantaged, maybe feeling restricted? I totally understand the safety aspect of headgear. Might this be unfair to that fighter? Because he hasn't used headgear in previous fights??

cowzerp

Finian123 wrote: »

i dont like the idea of headguards for u16s ??
was lookin forward 2 gettin into the cage myself after xmas but now am not to intersted because of da headguards.
i thought headguards were really just for amaetur boxing ? i think it takes away mma from the cage if ur wearin a headguard u come in with a big knee or right hand that wud do good damage but the guy dosent feel it because he was wearing a head guard and how wud the ground work never tried it with 1 on but something i will try soon any advice comments feel free to give me ur opinion on the subject
thanks in advance

The junior MMA fights are purely just for experience so when you get to the older levels you will be ready to take the step up, i dont know why people look at juniorr MMA as such a competitive thing, be happy that there is a chance for teens to get on shows at all and test there skills and no what they need to work on..I'm a big supporter of Teen MMA but also a big supporter in keeping them safe, the worst thing for MMA would be some kid cracking his skull due to a knee to the head, the press would have a field day and that would be the end of Teen MMA.

Now, juniors should not be taking knee's to the head, and ideally should not be getting knocked out either, on Barry's show the ground work was barely affected, the main problem was putting it back on if it popped off and i suggest now to Barry to make it that it does not go back on till the fight re stands.. then it wont even slow the game..

Ps, This should open the door to more in house MMA teen shows and D class MMA too..

Finian123

Mellor wrote: »

Head guards is really always going to be the case for u16s, they are children's amatuer fights
There is no way it would be allowed to fly without it.
you'll have to wait until you are older, if you are serious about it you'd be a fool not to give it a go because of head guards. The guy who has been fighting for 2 years with a head guard is at a huge advantage over you if you decide to give it a go (without a guard) at 18

yah i know what u mean like it is only a sport at the end of the day like and there is no sense in some1 going home with a black eye to a mother

Finian123

cowzerp wrote: »

The junior MMA fights are purely just for experience so when you get to the older levels you will be ready to take the step up, i dont know why people look at juniorr MMA as such a competitive thing, be happy that there is a chance for teens to get on shows at all and test there skills and no what they need to work on..I'm a big supporter of Teen MMA but also a big supporter in keeping them safe, the worst thing for MMA would be some kid cracking his skull due to a knee to the head, the press would have a field day and that would be the end of Teen MMA.

Now, juniors should not be taking knee's to the head, and ideally should not be getting knocked out either, on Barry's show the ground work was barely affected, the main problem was putting it back on if it popped off and i suggest now to Barry to make it that it does not go back on till the fight re stands.. then it wont even slow the game..

Ps, This should open the door to more in house MMA teen shows and D class MMA too..

yes i see what mean.
awk ino aye it isnt every1s cup of tea but the way i look at it is u know what u have signed on for
thanks for the advice/comments every time i come onto boards i go off with a better view of anything i posted a comment on thanks again

Finian123

curious100 wrote: »

I definitely believe that the new unified rule set is great for MMA and the rules which have been put in place are well thought out.

However, after reading Finians comment

Finian123 wrote: »

i dont like the idea of headguards for u16s ??
Yes he probably will get use to headgear if he hasn't been fighting yet without it. But, what about the u16 that has been fighting in the cage and hasn't been using headgear will he like the idea of headgear, will he be disadvantaged, maybe feeling restricted? I totally understand the safety aspect of headgear. Might this be unfair to that fighter? Because he hasn't used headgear in previous fights??

i understand and get what u mean thanks for dis i was finding it hard comin up wif something to say about why i wudnt want headguards :L
thanks again

Finian123

Raze_them_all wrote: »

A big knee/right hand to the chin/face will still rock you. in head gear.

Trust me you'll get your bell rung enough after u16, fight in head gear till you get used to it.

to be honest i never bothered using a headguardwhen i sparr i usually dont even use a mouth guard(bad idea i know but finding itt hard 2 get used to breathing with it in ) so i never reli thought of them as much of a advntage if u wer used without it
thanks man

kainer2

Has anyone actually signed-up for these rules yet ?

mark.leonard

kainer2 wrote: »

Has anyone actually signed-up for these rules yet ?

The first show using these rules took place last night

John Ferguson

mark.leonard wrote: »

The first show using these rules took place last night

I spoke to last nights ref Dave Jones today at length about how the new Semi Pro rules went, the feed back he gave me was all good.

Barry.Oglesby

The rules made for great entertainment and a far better experience for all the fighters involved. They're keepers for sure.

Tim_Murphy

I didn't realy get to see any of the fights on Friday so I'd be interested to hear other people's opinion on how the new rule set worked out. Sounded like it worked pretty good though so hopefully more promoters will use them.

theboxingclinic

i would agree with the change in rules, it definitley prepares guys as they move up the ranks as cowzerp and barry have already stated, on another note the old rules also favour submission specialists, i am sure there are many guys who have lost c class fights because they couldnt finish with gnp and ended up being submitted. at the end of the day if you have intentions of progressing in the sport you are going to have to be able to take a punch in the face, better off finding that out at c class before taking on more skilled opponents at b class or pro.

ollieo

theboxingclinic wrote: »

i would agree with the change in rules, it definitley prepares guys as they move up the ranks as cowzerp and barry have already stated, on another note the old rules also favour submission specialists, i am sure there are many guys who have lost c class fights because they couldnt finish with gnp and ended up being submitted. at the end of the day if you have intentions of progressing in the sport you are going to have to be able to take a punch in the face, better off finding that out at c class before taking on more skilled opponents at b class or pro.

I thought that having head strikes on the ground would help submission artists more so than the previous rules, with strikes its easier to set up subs, with no strikes, its far easier to protect yourself from sub attempts, you don't have to worry about strikes to the head.

My opinion anyways.

theboxingclinic

not if your strengths are wrestling and gnp, then having no head strkes is obviously a complete disadvantage.

SBG Ireland

theboxingclinic wrote: »

on another note the old rules also favour submission specialists.

as a bjj bb i could not disagree more, i could try but it would not be possible

new rules were awesome, great idea... :P

theboxingclinic

let me put it a different way then, it is a disadvantage to a wrestler gnp guy trying to finish a fight

SBG Ireland

so you're saying the old c rules are 'a disadvantage to a wrestler gnp guy trying to finish a fight'?

agreed

they were also a disadvantage to a submission specialist trying to finish the fight

David Jones

on another note the old rules also favour submission specialists.

Totally disagree
Old rules taking it to the ground, invariably eventully led to a stand up by referee due to inactivity. Very difficult to get someone to move without being able to punch them in the face.

it is a disadvantage to a wrestler gnp guy trying to finish a fight

Totally agree but only as much as above did for submission guy.

On the rules the other night, It is far more realistic for fighters hoping to progress to pro B rules and full pro A to have fought with grounded shots. I thought the fights were way more exciting on the ground, better jiu jitsu was on show because, you have to keep moving if you are getting punched in the face.

Really enjoyed refereeing this rule set, I would say that possibly due to inexperience and a little wild shots in some cases, that striking the back of the head will be the number one infringement. Didnt think any of it was deliberate but it is something that coaches and fighters need to be aware of moving into the New Year shows. Check your targets! (your opponent is moving his head a lot more now)

theboxingclinic

lol, good point and agreed but at least the sub guy can finish the fight from the ground, i think all in all the new rules are an excellent idea and suit everybody

SBG Ireland

David Jones wrote: »

I would say that possibly due to inexperience and a little wild shots in some cases, that striking the back of the head will be the number one infringement.

good to know!

now for my next evil plan...

ScareGilly

mmaireland.com wrote: »

Click Here for Rules

The Classified Rules are the old rules I'm guessing?
Has anyone put the new rules into a table like that, I'm still not fully sure what they are..

mmaireland.com

The ruleset you've quoted and linked are the new rules.

To avoid confusion. Rules as of 2011; CLICK HERE.

ScareGilly

mmaireland.com wrote: »

The ruleset you've quoted and linked are the new rules.

To avoid confusion. Rules as of 2011; CLICK HERE.

So C class is 18+ Nooo

Cheers for the clarification..:)