Donegal South West by-election: November 25th

Early Bird

ednwireland wrote: »

why does Brian Ó Domhnaill think that we should vote for him because he will be in the gov after the by-election, he wont be in gov. for very long anyway after that so why does he think this is important to keep repeating like a broken record.

Fianna Fail have let us down and all they can say is "we hold our hands up", they should be sent to jail for what they did to us and I was one of their biggest supporters.

aridion

McBrearty won't take the seat.
I think it is between Doherty and o Domhnaill.

Check out the odds at the bookies.

dlofnep

Early Bird wrote: »

I saw the VB show and wasnt overly impressed by any of the canditates however being an ex Fianna fail diehard I get the impression there are a number of posts putting all the blame on McBrearty and a number of newspapers obviously taking sides for political gain!! Believe it or not.

McBrearty did however make a few good comments:
1 Why vote for Pearse Doherty when we all know Sinn Fein will never get into Government.
2 Me being an ex Fianna Fail diehard I would eat nails before voting for the likes of Brian O'Domhnail and maybe McBrearty calling him the 4th sub was right when Fianna Fail asked so many people before turning to him as a last resort.

McBrearty did not come across very well making his points and appeared very green on VB show. However Labour are the up and coming party and i feel if given a chance and a little polish McBrearty could become a powerful voice in Dail Eireann.

Look,

McBrearty clearly doesn't have a clue about anything. When asked questions on the most basic issues, he couldn't answer - and instead attempted to try and ride the anti-Fianna Fáil wave to allow him to get away with answering questions. He could not answer how Labour are going to finance their suggestions, and felt it better to spend his time with ad hominem rhetoric than tackling the questions asked of him.

He's everything that's wrong with politics. His attitude smacks of elitism and ignorance. If he can't get his point across without talking down other politicians, while not actually asking one single question asked of him - then he's clearly incompetent and not fit for public office.

dlofnep

Early Bird wrote: »

Dont understand why people think Doherty will walk it when Sinn Fein will never get into Government???????? Believe it or not McBrearty has more clout...

He has the best chance because he's articulate, able to answer the questions asked of him, and has concrete proposals - unlike McBrearty. Without Doherty, there wouldn't have even been a by-election this year, and I think the people will respect his dedication to bringing it to the people. Whether he's elected or not (and I believe he will be) - I think most people would admire his role as of late.

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K-9

donegalfella wrote: »

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Surprised O'Domhnaill is at 6/1. Might be worth a few quid, as there is no value on betting on Doherty.

dlofnep

K-9 wrote: »

Surprised O'Domhnaill is at 6/1. Might be worth a few quid, as there is no value on betting on Doherty.

True enough. By-elections always have weird results. never under-estimate the strength of the FF die-hards!

K-9

dlofnep wrote: »

True enough. By-elections always have weird results. never under-estimate the strength of the FF die-hards!

Just looking at it from a betting perspective, I would have swopped O'Neill and O'Domhnaill.

They did have 50% of the GE vote, unless there is a catastrophic drop in that vote, say half or less, he should stand an outside chance.

Transfers will be the key and I think Doherty will pick them up from everywhere, even unlikely sources due to the court case.

I can't imagine FG picking up more transfers than FF from SF, if it went that way, which I doubt it will!

Noreen1

ednwireland wrote: »

why does Brian Ó Domhnaill think that we should vote for him because he will be in the gov after the by-election, he wont be in gov. for very long anyway after that so why does he think this is important to keep repeating like a broken record.

I don't know why he keeps repeating this - I would have thought it was something he should avoid highlighting? Perhaps he means that he can deliver more than an opposition TD could?

I don't intend to vote for Brian O'Donnell. In fairness, though, I have to say that he has worked hard on behalf of his constituents.
I can't believe that I am defending a FF candidate, since I despise the party with a vengeance - but, realistically, he has a chance of being elected, based on his performance in the past.
He enjoys a lot of local support, and should not be discounted as a strong contender for the seat.

My personal opinion is that it will be a close call between Brian O'Donnell, and Pearse Doherty - with transfers deciding the final outcome.

Noreen

sunshine2010

The Lady journalist on the vincent browne was spot on Pearse doherty used his day out in court as a publicity stunt!!

We need to remove Finna Fail out of government and electing Pearse doherty will not help this cause.

It appears that Eamonn Gilmore will be the next Taoiseach and therefore we must vote Labour to have the voice we need in this county.

K-9

sunshine2010 wrote: »

The Lady journalist on the vincent browne was spot on Pearse doherty used his day out in court as a publicity stunt!!

We need to remove Finna Fail out of government and electing Pearse doherty will not help this cause.

It appears that Eamonn Gilmore will be the next Taoiseach and therefore we must vote Labour to have the voice we need in this county.

Labour should win big, maybe even 1 seat in Donegal out of 6, but I don't know about Gilmore being Taoiseach or having to vote Labour! Admittedly he doesn't have great competition in Enda and Cowen.

aridion

donegalfella wrote: »

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I don't know what bookmakers you have researched. The only candidate who has significantly shortened in odds is Brain o Domhnaill. He is currently 15/8 with Paddy power (in from 6/1 in less than a week), 11/4 with boylesports, and 2/1 with ladbrokes. He is eating into the favourite at an alarming rate!
Doherty is still favourite. However he is going out slightly (from 2/5 to 4/9 today with PP)

Go Figure........

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aridion wrote: »

I don't know what bookmakers you have researched. The only candidate who has significantly shortened in odds is Brain o Domhnaill. He is currently 15/8 with Paddy power (in from 6/1 in less than a week), 11/4 with boylesports, and 2/1 with ladbrokes. He is eating into the favourite at an alarming rate!
Doherty is still favourite. However he is going out slightly (from 2/5 to 4/9 today with PP)

Go Figure........

They are extrapolating National trends to a Bye Election, only justification I can see.

Another national did that, may have been the SBP and put Labour at over 20%. Something seriously amiss there.

FF had 50% but are going to drop substantially. How much is just as important as the issue of transfers.

FG have haemorrhaged votes here in the last 10/15 years.

Labour have basically zilch support.

SF arrived on the scene in the last Euro/GE, capturing the Left (Seamus Rodgers was a solid, veteran WP candidate) /Republican/Swing vote and it's fertile ground for Independents in Local and past GE's.

gurramok

I heard on the radio this morning of a new independent candidate. Didn't catch the name, she's 53 yr old and plans to never to publish posters but run her campaign over the internet and has no cost base, anyone know her?

She came across as defining in my opinion

slickmcvic

gurramok wrote: »

I heard on the radio this morning of a new independent candidate. Didn't catch the name, she's 53 yr old and plans to never to publish posters but run her campaign over the internet and has no cost base, anyone know her?

She came across as defining in my opinion

.....was it Anne Sweeney,?...real loose cannon,always in and out of the planning courts,publicity stunt IMO,just like the "dry restaurant" she couldn't get a licence for!

Noreen1

slickmcvic wrote: »

.....was it Anne Sweeney,?...real loose cannon,always in and out of the planning courts,publicity stunt IMO,just like the "dry restaurant" she couldn't get a licence for!

I knew there was a legal issue with that "dry restaurant" - I just couldn't remember what it was! Thanks for the reminder.
It would appear that the lady knows how the marketing world works.:mad:

Noreen

baldbear

sunshine2010 wrote: »

It appears that Eamonn Gilmore will be the next Taoiseach and therefore we must vote Labour to have the voice we need in this county.

Is that you Frank ?

McBrearty came across as a rude bully who doesn't understand the economy and i'd seriously question Labours wisdom of putting forward such a candidate.

On the other hand Doherty came across as articulate and intelligent.
It's between FF and SF imo.

Z Brannigan

Watched the debate on Vincent Browne the other night.

My opinion was:

Ó Domhnaill (FF) - Did surprisingly well considering he was being attacked from all sides. Tried to mention FF as little as possible. Strong FF support in the area so may well hold seat for FF.

McBrearty - (Lab) - Rude bully who came across pig-ignorant of economics etc. Really one of the poorest performances of a candidate i have seen in a long time. No hoper.

O'Neill - (FG) - Very average. Just came across bland and boring. Will hold the current vote but the ones that FF lose won't go to him.

Doherty - (SF) - Head and shoulders above the rest. Young and articulate. Looks like he's a good chance of taking it. SF's links with the IRA won't help with transfers.

In my opinion it will go (after first count):

1-Sinn Féin (30%)
2-Fine Gael (30%)
3-Fianna Fáil (25%)
4-Labour (10%)
5-Others (5%)

Transfers from Lab will mainly go FG. Ones from FF will mainly go to SF, so based on that I think SF could clinch it.

thetonynator

sunshine2010 wrote: »

It appears that Eamonn Gilmore will be the next Taoiseach and therefore we must vote Labour to have the voice we need in this county.

OMG!!! Joan Burton is on boards!!!!

Z Brannigan

thetonynator wrote: »

OMG!!! Joan Burton is on boards!!!!

I think she may be the owner.

The O in the Boards.ie logo looks quite like her.

sunshine2010

The day out in court clearly was a publicity stunt done by Pearse Doherty. McBrearty's the man who actually fought long and hard against the state for 12 years and won. Thats the kind of man we need in Donegal. Someone who will be will be passionate and will be prepared to speak up for the Donegal people. MCBREARTY TO WIN

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Essexboy

donegalfella wrote: »

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A county which re-elected Jim McDaid is in no position to take the moral high ground!

Noreen1

Essexboy wrote: »

A county which re-elected Jim McDaid is in no position to take the moral high ground!

Eh, Jim McDaid did not represent Donegal South West. I don't think giving a personal opinion can be construed as taking the moral high ground, in all fairness.

I'm not trying to speak on behalf of Donegalfella, but you don't seem to realise the sea-change that appears to be happening in Donegal politics.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for FF. After FGs decision to support the Government in continuing to guarantee Anglo, despite not knowing what the final bill would be - I find myself unable to vote for FG either.
Had Seamus Rodgers been the candidate, I would have given him my first preference. He is a gentleman, and IMO, would have represented his constituents with integrity. I will not, however, vote for Frank McBrearty. I'm more than mildly surprised that Labour consider him a suitable candidate - he's far too prone to intemperate outbursts. Passion in a politician is a good thing - but it needs to be controlled, which is where McBrearty fails IMO.

Noreen

Essexboy

Noreen1 wrote: »

Eh, Jim McDaid did not represent Donegal South West. I don't think giving a personal opinion can be construed as taking the moral high ground, in all fairness.

I'm not trying to speak on behalf of Donegalfella, but you don't seem to realise the sea-change that appears to be happening in Donegal politics.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for FF. After FGs decision to support the Government in continuing to guarantee Anglo, despite not knowing what the final bill would be - I find myself unable to vote for FG either.
Had Seamus Rodgers been the candidate, I would have given him my first preference. He is a gentleman, and IMO, would have represented his constituents with integrity. I will not, however, vote for Frank McBrearty. I'm more than mildly surprised that Labour consider him a suitable candidate - he's far too prone to intemperate outbursts. Passion in a politician is a good thing - but it needs to be controlled, which is where McBrearty fails IMO.

Noreen

I know McDaid was TD for Donegal NE but I thought the only boundary in Donegal was "The Gap".

I hope you are correct in saying there is a seachange in Donegal politics but this episode colours my view of the county.After the last General Election " Coughlan was carried shoulder high across the Leitrim border into Donegal and the headline in one local paper proclaimed, "Mary one step closer to becoming Taoiseach."
Maybe I spent too long away from Ireland but shoulder high carrying and flaming torches belong to the distant past.

sunshine2010

DONEGAL FELLA DO YOU HAPPEN TO BE A MEMBER OF AN GARDA SIOCHANA? UR VERY ANTI MCBREARTY DID HE EXPOSE YOU!!!

Granted his appearance on VB show wasnt polished but the other 3 were'nt good either. I've been listening to Franks radio interviews and he is alot better. Doherthy and O'Domhnaill sounded like they were gona go 2 blows on RTE yesterday. So they all seem to have a bit of a quick temper dont they. Apart from Harry porter who says nothing

muffler

I'd be very surprised if Doherty doesn't win this seat and if he does it would be fully deserved imo. The only real threat to this is the FF die harders but you would like to think that at least a small percentage of them would be mature enough to understand how FF has brought this country to it's knees.

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Het-Field

donegalfella wrote: »

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His biography is quite pathetic, and would suggest he has done little or nothing outside his working life since the age of 14 where he played a bit of football. He spent years outside the coutry in a wing of a trade which has brought us to our knees. He then returned to Ireland to pursue the pub trade like too many other politicians. Save for his year on the council, he appears to openly admit that he has NO record in politics. The crap about his scuba diving is irrelevant. He managed an underage team to a local cup. WOOHOO, "Mr 8 Euro Bonds" is certainly the man to vote for. It just shows how poor Labour are in Donegal.

proon4

Het-Field wrote: »

His biography is quite pathetic, and would suggest he has done little or nothing outside his working life since the age of 14 where he played a bit of football. He spent years outside the coutry in a wing of a trade which has brought us to our knees. He then returned to Ireland to pursue the pub trade like too many other politicians. Save for his year on the council, he appears to openly admit that he has NO record in politics. The crap about his scuba diving is irrelevant. He managed an underage team to a local cup. WOOHOO, "Mr 8 Euro Bonds" is certainly the man to vote for. It just shows how poor Labour are in Donegal.

Well when you consider what has been elected in Donegal ,is he all that worse?... He was never convicted of any crime.. never got done for drunken and dangerous driving. gets on ok with his wife i think, She never complained to the newspapers of been physically and mentally abused by him. He has always been open about his expenses, Knows the shortest way to Dublin from Donegal,unlike a senior FG TD. Then I dont think he is a greedy man like an ex minister that is still drawing his pension while making a bonanza of money in wages and expenses from the EC. AS for his education. I dont know about that, but Id say he knows the difference between Einstein and Darwin and which of them put forward the theory of evolution,unlike a certain minister whos prior work experiance was as a junior social worker for the health board. Somehow a man like Mc Brearty might just be the man Donegal SW needs. An honest man,who tells it like it is.

sunshine2010

FAO: HET FIELD

To say he has done nothing is absolutely ridiculous. He took on the corrupt state and WON. He worked hard and long to get to where he is today and ya know what fair play to him. He may not have a degree in politics but he is a man who has done so much for donegal people in the last year. He has a large support in Donegal.

Doherty and ODomhnaill have the taxpayers paying for their offices and Frank does not. Frank is for the people and it is clear to see that he will make a real difference in Donegal. He is passionate about improving the forgotten county and he has always delivered and I have no doubt that he will continue to deliver for us all.

Essexboy

McBrearty is not impressive but look at the competition

Coughlan Shine a torch in her ear and the light comes outside the other side
McDaid “selfish bastard” in his own words
McHugh good-looking wife. Er, that’s it
Blaney, McGinley Who?

K-9

Essexboy wrote: »

McBrearty is not impressive but look at the competition

Coughlan Shine a torch in her ear and the light comes outside the other side
McDaid “selfish bastard” in his own words
McHugh good-looking wife. Er, that’s it
Blaney, McGinley Who?

Doherty is far more impressive out of the actual candidates.

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Het-Field

sunshine2010 wrote: »

FAO: HET FIELD

To say he has done nothing is absolutely ridiculous. He took on the corrupt state and WON. He worked hard and long to get to where he is today and ya know what fair play to him. He may not have a degree in politics but he is a man who has done so much for donegal people in the last year. He has a large support in Donegal.

Doherty and ODomhnaill have the taxpayers paying for their offices and Frank does not. Frank is for the people and it is clear to see that he will make a real difference in Donegal. He is passionate about improving the forgotten county and he has always delivered and I have no doubt that he will continue to deliver for us all.

ROFL.

I dont care what degree he has. The fact of the matter is he has NO TRACK RECORD. The situation he found himself in in 1997 is hardly a substitute for political experience and a long running track record. Interestingly, you make bald statements as to what he has done over the past year. I have heard of nothing of note.

I suggest you look at Vincent Browne's show where the candidates were interviewed. He came across as an ignorant blusterer with no real insight into the national situation at all.

I am stating that his blog is pathetic. I suggest you read it. It has nothing noteworthy on it. It waffles about coaching young fellas in football to irrelevant local titles, and scuba diving which most people do while bumming around in Thailand for the summer.

muffler

Het-Field wrote: »

The fact of the matter is he has NO TRACK RECORD.

And that is a fact.

Just out of curiosity do you know what track record the present Tanaiste had when she was first elected to the Dail?

sunshine2010

Franks blog may state that he coached a young fella's football team if anything that shows 2 me he is a community man and helps out in his local area all the time with many community groups. Frank has helped many people and the voting results will show that soon enough. He has a track record and people on the ground are supporting Frank whether you like to believe it or not.

Frank is a diverse man and will make changes for the better in the forgotten county. Doherthy is a cocky arrogant man. He had his day out in court not for the benefit of the Donegal people but for his own benefit to try and get more votes. The lady journalist on VB was spot on his day out in court was purely a publicity stunt

Early Bird

Het-Field wrote: »

His biography is quite pathetic, and would suggest he has done little or nothing outside his working life since the age of 14 where he played a bit of football. He spent years outside the coutry in a wing of a trade which has brought us to our knees. He then returned to Ireland to pursue the pub trade like too many other politicians. Save for his year on the council, he appears to openly admit that he has NO record in politics. The crap about his scuba diving is irrelevant. He managed an underage team to a local cup. WOOHOO, "Mr 8 Euro Bonds" is certainly the man to vote for. It just shows how poor Labour are in Donegal.

Right guys i have been following your posts with great interest...not. The three of you are obviously related or big followers of McBreartys opposition. You must be really afraid of him or your party must feel really threatened by him. I cant wait to see your comments when McBrearty wins. :eek::eek:

A Dub in Glasgo

Early Bird wrote: »

Right guys i have been following your posts with great interest...not. The three of you are obviously related or big followers of McBreartys opposition. You must be really afraid of him or your party must feel really threatened by him. I cant wait to see your comments when McBrearty wins. :eek::eek:

You have been following the posts yet have nothing to say to counteract them?
Hmmm...

Early Bird

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You have been following the posts yet have nothing to say to counteract them?
Hmmm...

Look at my previous post where i sum up the canditates. Look before you speak!

Early Bird

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You have been following the posts yet have nothing to say to counteract them?
Hmmm...

I saw the VB show and wasnt overly impressed by any of the canditates however being an ex Fianna fail diehard I get the impression there are a number of posts putting all the blame on McBrearty and a number of newspapers obviously taking sides for political gain!! Believe it or not.

McBrearty did however make a few good comments:
1 Why vote for Pearse Doherty when we all know Sinn Fein will never get into Government.
2 Me being an ex Fianna Fail diehard I would eat nails before voting for the likes of Brian O'Domhnail and maybe McBrearty calling him the 4th sub was right when Fianna Fail asked so many people before turning to him as a last resort.

McBrearty did not come across very well making his points and appeared very green on VB show. However Labour are the up and coming party and i feel if given a chance and a little polish McBrearty could become a powerful voice in Dail Eireann.

Early Bird

Z Brannigan wrote: »

Watched the debate on Vincent Browne the other night.

My opinion was:

Ó Domhnaill (FF) - Did surprisingly well considering he was being attacked from all sides. Tried to mention FF as little as possible. Strong FF support in the area so may well hold seat for FF.

McBrearty - (Lab) - Rude bully who came across pig-ignorant of economics etc. Really one of the poorest performances of a candidate i have seen in a long time. No hoper.

O'Neill - (FG) - Very average. Just came across bland and boring. Will hold the current vote but the ones that FF lose won't go to him.

Doherty - (SF) - Head and shoulders above the rest. Young and articulate. Looks like he's a good chance of taking it. SF's links with the IRA won't help with transfers.

In my opinion it will go (after first count):

1-Sinn Féin (30%)
2-Fine Gael (30%)
3-Fianna Fáil (25%)
4-Labour (10%)
5-Others (5%)

Transfers from Lab will mainly go FG. Ones from FF will mainly go to SF, so based on that I think SF could clinch it.

McBrearty is the man for the job and Donegal need him in the Dail. We need a straight talking go getter for Donegal. Get Fianna Fail out: electing Doherty wont help removing Fianna Fail...

K-9

Early Bird wrote: »

I saw the VB show and wasnt overly impressed by any of the canditates however being an ex Fianna fail diehard I get the impression there are a number of posts putting all the blame on McBrearty and a number of newspapers obviously taking sides for political gain!! Believe it or not.

McBrearty did however make a few good comments:
1 Why vote for Pearse Doherty when we all know Sinn Fein will never get into Government.
2 Me being an ex Fianna Fail diehard I would eat nails before voting for the likes of Brian O'Domhnail and maybe McBrearty calling him the 4th sub was right when Fianna Fail asked so many people before turning to him as a last resort.

McBrearty did not come across very well making his points and appeared very green on VB show. However Labour are the up and coming party and i feel if given a chance and a little polish McBrearty could become a powerful voice in Dail Eireann.

ex FF die hard?

Anyway, SF may well get into Govt. depending on numbers. They nearly got in last time, despite Kenny denying it!

We'd probably have a 3 party system if that mindset was rife.

JONJO THE MISER

Now i hate F.F but from a betting perspective Brian Ó Domhnaill is great value at 11/4 with boylesports, will have to bet on him as its too great of value to pass up. Thinking of putting 600 Eur on him if they will take it.

dlofnep

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Now i hate F.F but from a betting perspective Brian Ó Domhnaill is great value at 11/4 with boylesports, will have to bet on him as its too great of value to pass up. Thinking of putting 600 Eur on him if they will take it.

Would you not just give me the 600 euro? I need it more than Paddy Power, I assure you.

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Scofflaw

sunshine2010 wrote: »

FAO: HET FIELD

To say he has done nothing is absolutely ridiculous. He took on the corrupt state and WON. He worked hard and long to get to where he is today and ya know what fair play to him. He may not have a degree in politics but he is a man who has done so much for donegal people in the last year. He has a large support in Donegal.

Doherty and ODomhnaill have the taxpayers paying for their offices and Frank does not. Frank is for the people and it is clear to see that he will make a real difference in Donegal. He is passionate about improving the forgotten county and he has always delivered and I have no doubt that he will continue to deliver for us all.

This isn't a political message platform. Permabanned.

moderately,
Scofflaw

L1011

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McHugh was already a Senator before he married Enright, as little as that counts.

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