Student died after heavy drinking session

mikemac

marxcoo wrote: »

There's a very good chance seeing as there is so much information in the news report that the family gave consent regarding the details being put in the public domain. Probably for the very purpose of highlighting the dangers.

Maybe

It all came from an inquest at the coroner's court.
So realy, it's public knowledge.
I wouldn't think a family can demand a coroner and the media not to release information,
RTÉ have it today, it will be in the papers tomorrow

Maybe a question for the legal forum on what information comes out of a coroner court.

Anyway, my sympathies to the family.

_LilyRose_

rebel10 wrote: »

Its not really down to individual teachers, sorry, its down to the Dept. of Ed who tell the teachers this is exactly what you have to teach the 16yr old. If they say "they need to be told about the menstrual cycle at 16," then that is the teachers obligation. The Dept. are very strict on age appropriateness. It may be suitable to teach some 14 year olds about STD's but not others and so there is a fine line. You can get in serious trouble if you cross it. Generally, the schools do invite people who have had problems with addictions and such totalk to the the students, but once again you have to be careful for a number of reasons. I, as a teacher, couldn't walk down the street, find a reformed alcoholic or a survivor of an accident and ask them to speak to my class.

There needs to be serious reform in our education of these matters. Sex education, drug education, alcohol education, all of them need a complete over-haul.

Fair enough..and agreed.

shefra

_LilyRose_ wrote: »

I didn't mean in school there's this special drugs awareness course and the people who teach it have to do a course and everything..

But I get where you're coming from..a lot of it, especially in SPHE classes, is pure bull****. Videos from the 80s about Johnny who 'hung out with the wrong crowd as a teen' and some fake sob story do no good. They should bring actual live people who've real experience and maybe some scars to show for it to scare us.

I don't know what teachers are scared of. I mean, they don't even teach proper sex education...sorry bout this but they're still telling girls of 16 about periods when they should have moved on to contraception and stds two years beforehand..

It's the responsibility of adults to tell kids about these things. Would they rather 12-yr-olds to learn about life the hard way, through the rape and murder of a schoolfriend? or the drug overdose of a sibling? or the death of a group of locals in a drink-driving accident?

The sad thing is, the death of this poor man will be old news in a matter of days, and very few will learn from his death.

Agree and yet again the most fundamental basics for young people are totally denied. Run with the pack or be the odd one out. Sadly that is the generally accepted attitude. Better the 'odd one out' than running with the pack.

seanbmc

seanbmc wrote: »

He died from pnemonia from being left in the lift with no clothes on... among other things. Not saying he would have been fine, but he wouldn't have died that's for sure.

It sounds like aspiration pneumonia to me, ie inhalation of gastric contents (vomit). The low pH of the gastric juices can severely damage the bronchioles, and there can also be a secondary bacterial infection. Becoming hypothermic due to being left in the lift with no clothes on is very unlikely to have been a factor, although it may have been when he was unsupervised in the lift that he aspirated.

mikemac

Good info there James, thanks for posting

_LilyRose_

Deleted User wrote: »

It sounds like aspiration pneumonia to me, ie inhalation of gastric contents (vomit). The low pH of the gastric juices can severely damage the bronchioles, and there can also be a secondary bacterial infection. Becoming hypothermic due to being left in the lift with no clothes on is very unlikely to have been a factor, although it may have been when he was unsupervised in the lift that he aspirated.

It's just so sad that someone would willing put themselves in this state. I know some of ye are going to quote this and be all, 'he hardly wanted to be naked in a lift and die from choking on vomit' or whatever, but it was him who decided to go drinking, and him who kept going when his friends told him to.

The attitude towards drink in this country is disgusting. 14-yr-olds shouldn't be able to chat about 'last weekend's session' but some do, and it only gets worse at 16, 17...is something like this a possibility for many college students now?

Overheal

hondasam wrote: »

thats ok but if it were my son I would not want it discussed by a group of people who did not know me or him. It could be discussed without ref to him.

On the contrary, I've seen many posts on this website made be grieved family members who would rather honor their loved ones by highlighting the dangers by exemplifying their deaths. I remember being particularly moved when someone wrote about the death of their brother in the motors forum.

hondasam

rebel10 wrote: »

I think that is what is happening here. I'm sorry, but i presume the family know it is going to be discussed by people up and down the country who don't know them. Sadly when a story is this shocking it needs to be discussed so it highlights the flaws amongst us. Ignorance and unease when dealing with these issues gets society nowhere.

There is a difference between discussing the dangers of alcohol and discussing someone's son.

mardybumbum

seanbmc wrote: »

He died from pnemonia from being left in the lift with no clothes on... among other things. Not saying he would have been fine, but he wouldn't have died that's for sure.

As mentioned above, this is very unlikely to be the cause.
It was most likely an aspiration pneumonia, nothing at all to do with the way his "friends" treated him but rather an unfortunate incident.

Sad news.

Overheal

hondasam wrote: »

There is a difference between discussing the dangers of alcohol and discussing someone's son.

Only until it becomes someone else's son. And then another. And another.

pipelaser

It just said on the news that he was admitted to hospital with 5 times the legal drink drive limit.

Had to be more than that surely!

hondasam

Overheal wrote: »

On the contrary, I've seen many posts on this website made be grieved family members who would rather honor their loved ones by highlighting the dangers by exemplifying their deaths. I remember being particularly moved when someone wrote about the death of their brother in the motors forum.

I seen that myself and if the OP is a family member then fair enough.

dougal-maguire

pipelaser wrote: »

It just said on the news that he was admitted to hospital with 5 times the legal drink drive limit.

Had to be more than that surely!

doubt it,was reading a bit bout the drummer from stereophonics,who died in a similar way,and he was 5 times over the limit.a pint might put you over the limit,but it might take 3+ pints to be twice over the limit,not sure how it works.

enda1

Unlucky kid to have died from the booze all the same. I know myself it would be up all over the place whenever I go well past my limit.

I wouldn't blame his friends too much myself. They were just taking the piss. But at least they tried to save him by calling the services when they noticed the problem might be more serious than just a bit of drunkenness. Unfortunately their actions were too little too late.

x in the city

Saila wrote: »

but most courses are only 3 years long

not everyone does arts..:rolleyes:

TequilaMockingBird

When I was about 13/14 a teacher gave me a copy of "Go Ask Alice" - it scared the sh*te out of me and I have never touched drugs (I'm hitting 40).

I wish I had read one about alcohol as well. My daughter will be reading Go Ask Alice and Gary Murphys story. Soon.

RIP young man.



Go Ask Alice http://www.amazon.com/Go-Ask-Alice/dp/0689817851

PeakOutput

TequilaMockingBird wrote: »

When I was about 13/14 a teacher gave me a copy of "Go Ask Alice" - it scared the sh*te out of me and I have never touched drugs (I'm hitting 40).

I wish I had read one about alcohol as well. My daughter will be reading Go Ask Alice and Gary Murphys story. Soon.

RIP young man.



Go Ask Alice http://www.amazon.com/Go-Ask-Alice/dp/0689817851

i strongly recomend not doing this, your daughter is a totally different generation to you and will more then likely not have the same reaction you did to this sort of thing(the poor guys story fair enough but the book is a bad idea imo)

what happens if you give her the book and she thinks of well thats terrible ill never do that it will ruin my life

then she is out with friends and sees someone smoking a joint and realises the next day that it didnt ruin their life. maybe she will try it and when she realises you lied about its affects she is going to wonder what else you lied about

the gods honest truth is all that is necessary and that is not 'if you do drugs your life will be ruined'. i reckon tell them the facts be honest dont be sensationalist and let them make their own informed choice and you will always be pleasantly suprised by the choices they make

but then i have no kids i only base my opinion on seeing friends raise theirs and the different choices they make and the affects it has on their kids

Yo Buddy. You still alive?

Alcohol is a disease in ireland.

Raise the age to 21 for drinking and smoking says me.

Overheal

not to go on a tangent but I gave up the smoke not when I read some book but when I read my own words. I decided (sober) that when I was stoned I'd start writing down (actually typed) stray thoughts and ideas I had while I was stoned. The result when read back when I was sober again was a completely dysfunctional mess of words and phrases and metaphors. Despite feeling more intelligent when stoned, the evidence in the cold light of day showed otherwise.

I'd suggest if you're going to try and quit something, write your own journal, don't simply rely on one other person's account.

Dudess

Go Ask Alice is supposed to be a fabrication - written by some teacher...

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I personally think there was a lot more to that story than some guy taking a few mushrooms. I've know lots of people that have been out of their head on mushrooms and not one ever thought they could fly. That doesn't even happen with LSD. The only drug I know of that would have that effect is PCP and that's not particularly popular is this country.

That LSD/magic mushroom thing story seems everywhere - urban legend I'd bet.

jackiebaron wrote: »

Ah, here we go....."probably", "I bet", yada yada.
People have died because they can't break down a double brandy, OK, Quincy?
Girls have gone into diabetic comas after their first Bacardi Breezer.
People's livers have shutdown and they've died after ONE ecstasy tablet.

People die of SHOCK....no alcohol involved.

I'm not a pathologist like you but I can say with a certain degree of confidence that the amount of alcohol he flooded his body with, combined with falling onto tables (concussion), combined with being stripped naked and left in a lift had something to do with his demise and I doubt that them not putting him in a "correct" sleeping position was the reason for his death.

Why the need for the aggressive "Quincy" and "pathologist" comments? And being in the wrong sleeping position DOES cause death due to choking on vomit. I knew a man to whom it happened. Who do you know who died after taking one ecstasy tablet, or of shock alone? I think Minidazzler's point is very valid and not deserving of an attack...
Pneumonia due to vomit on the lung as JamesL85 mentioned earlier (and he seems to be very much in the know) also makes sense.

Thoie

Dudess wrote: »

That LSD/magic mushroom thing story seems everywhere - urban legend I'd bet.

This one?

Never quite figured out if the guy "thought he could fly", but the facts seem to be that he jumped/fell off a roof.

Dudess

Apologies, I remember that story now.

alwaysadub

TequilaMockingBird wrote: »

When I was about 13/14 a teacher gave me a copy of "Go Ask Alice" - it scared the sh*te out of me and I have never touched drugs (I'm hitting 40).

I wish I had read one about alcohol as well. My daughter will be reading Go Ask Alice and Gary Murphys story. Soon.

RIP young man.



Go Ask Alice http://www.amazon.com/Go-Ask-Alice/dp/0689817851

I have that book too. But to be honest, while it is a shocking read, if it was given to me at a younger age-i would've been in my late teens when i got it- it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference once i was out with my friends-the book would've been the last thing on my mind.

RIP Gary and condolences to his family.

minidazzler

jackiebaron wrote: »

Ah, here we go....."probably", "I bet", yada yada.
People have died because they can't break down a double brandy, OK, Quincy?
Girls have gone into diabetic comas after their first Bacardi Breezer.
People's livers have shutdown and they've died after ONE ecstasy tablet.

People die of SHOCK....no alcohol involved.

I'm not a pathologist like you but I can say with a certain degree of confidence that the amount of alcohol he flooded his body with, combined with falling onto tables (concussion), combined with being stripped naked and left in a lift had something to do with his demise and I doubt that them not putting him in a "correct" sleeping position was the reason for his death.

If I was a pathologist, I wouldn't be using probably and I bet.

But lets look at what we know.

A 19 year old boy who plays sports regularily. So we can assume he is fit, and probably quite healthy given the exertion required.

Being still young, and assuming he started drinking when he was 16, yes, I make assumptions on AH, shocker :eek:!!! He would have had a rather regular tolerance, like most 19 year old.

Yes, he would pass out due to the amount drank, it would be assumed he was tired after the physical exertion of that day, but being happy about winning would keep him awake to celebrate, so it's quite possible he passed out.

Now, when someone passes out, especially from drink it would be good practice to turn them on their side.

But since everyone else was on drink, they decided it would be fun to mess with him, all well and good, but moving someones body when they have no control over it?

I've been in Victoria Mills, that is NOT a warm place! So to strip him naked?

Given he was a fit, and probably healthy young man, it's unlikely that amount of alcohol killed him!

It says "After he drank what was described as a lethal amount of alcohol", but it never says this is the cause. It goes on to explain the situation around the death, would this be relevant or mentioned if the coroner had not mentioned it?

Yes, that's alot of drink, but not likely to kill a regular person who has been drinking long enough to build a tolerance.

The fact is, that his friends maneuvered his body around while he had no natural defences against things like vomiting and blocked airway.

I'm not saying it was their fault, but it's very possible that they had him in a bad way when he was in bed.

My point stands.

And Finally, Sugar and Drugs, the cause of the two cases you mentioned. That point does not stand to reason.

eire2009

So easily could have been many of us. Typical drunken mindless friends that so many of us had or still have.

I think many people will at some point relate to this because of the way his friends acted and will cop some people on.

When I heard it on the radio I stopped walking around the shop and was kinda laughing when I heard the lift part(thinking that was a good one) but when I realised it was going to end badly I stoped and felt bad inside especially when I heard the ending. Cant imagine how his friends feel.

RIP Dude

johnn

The friends will be a sorry sight turning out at the funeral after doing all this while their friend was dying and it has now become public knowledge.

RIP.

alwaysadub

johnn wrote: »

The friends will be a sorry sight turning out at the funeral after doing all this while their friend was dying and it has now become public knowledge.

RIP.

He died last year. It's become public knowledge cos the inquest was today.

Dudess

eire2009 wrote: »

So easily could have been many of us. Typical drunken mindless friends that so many of us had or still have.

... or are/were. Lets not pretend there aren't people on this thread who haven't done the same - but they hardly intended to kill him. The message that alcohol is a good laugh far overshadows the message that it is potentially dangerous - and that doesn't just go for Irish society, seems to be the case for most English-speaking countries.

dollybird2

My heart goes out to his family, such a tragic loss.

From my many years in college and the experiences I had this isn't a huge amount for a man of his age to drink. I wonder what timespan it was over?

I do think his friends went to far with their behaviour. The shaving eyebrows is an old one, but putting someone who was likely to be in a near comatose state into a lift naked is going way too far. That's pure stupidity and ignorance all for a laugh. However, I would bet on the fact that none of them ever thought or believed it may contribute to serious detriment to his life.

He sounds like a guy that had it all going for him in the right directions. RIP.

TequilaMockingBird

alwaysadub wrote: »

I have that book too. But to be honest, while it is a shocking read, if it was given to me at a younger age-i would've been in my late teens when i got it- it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference once i was out with my friends-the book would've been the last thing on my mind.

RIP Gary and condolences to his family.

It worked for me, but if it was as easy as giving every kid a book to stop them becoming addicted to a substance - we'd be sorted. One thing it won't do is encourage young people to take drugs.

Garys story is not going to encourage anyone to drink. Which is a Good Thing.

lithiumoxide

seanbmc wrote: »

He died from pneumonia, he would have been fine if his so called friends didn't do all of those idiotic things to him.

Pneumonia is the result of aspiration, where a liquid or solid is inhaled into the lungs. This can be very dangerous, as a serious incidence will restrict the absorption of oxygen and eventually the bloodflow around the body.

I suspect the person aspirated some liquid, but was too drunk for his body to 'wake up' or react. Altered bloodflow would have caused his lips to turn blue, and lack of oxygen would have caused the coma.

This is an extremely tragic incident, and it shows that alcohol can be a very dangerous drug in more ways that the well-known alcohol poisoning or liver damage.

My condolences to his family.

marxcoo

feelingstressed wrote: »

Maybe

It all came from an inquest at the coroner's court.
So realy, it's public knowledge.
I wouldn't think a family can demand a coroner and the media not to release information,
RTÉ have it today, it will be in the papers tomorrow

Maybe a question for the legal forum on what information comes out of a coroner court.

Anyway, my sympathies to the family.

Ya they may not be able to demand it, but this type of death occurs many times a year in this country and is not reported on for whatever reason. information from inquests might may a small appearance in newspapers but not on the main evening news. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if the family had pushed for it to be highlighted. I could be completely wrong in that though so will stand corrected if I am

mathepac

minidazzler wrote: »

... My point stands. ...

You have no point nor do your posts display that you have even the most basic knowledge or expertise needed to sustain the point you think you have made, your point being just hot-air; meaningless, insensitive waffle. BTW, you are not alone.

On reading your contributions to this thread it is obvious that the gaps in your medical knowledge, your lack of insight into the lethal effects of heavy alcohol consumption over a short period of time and the deficits in your research capabilities would fill several libraries.

Here are some medical facts presented in court -

"The Coroners court in Cork has heard that a UCC student died after drinking a lethal* amount of alcohol at a party in his apartment....

"A post mortem found that his blood alcohol level was nearly eight times over the legal driving limit and that the amount of alcohol he drank caused his heart to stop..."

Source : - http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/student-drank-lethal-amount-of-alcohol-at-party-inquest-finds-480455.html

*Lethal - relating to, or causing death; capable of causing death.

This consistent point, made in all the reports I have read, seems to have escaped you or you have chosen to dismiss it because you somehow believe you know better.

Medical, para-medical, eye-witness, post-mortem and other evidence was presented to the coroner, an experienced medical professional, and her jury. She then made her recommendations. The jury returned its verdict in line with all the evidence presented.

Based on the facts that Mr Murphy's lips were reported as being cyanosed in the apartment, an observation that triggered the call to the emergency services, and that he died of bronchial pneumonia ten days later in hospital, filling in the gaps isn't a huge challenge, but I don't see it as being particularly helpful.

mixed up

R.I.P GARY

I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way i feel really sorry to the family and friends of gary but really don't think anybody will pay much attention to this story and it will be forgotten in a couple of days.I have had many a session with my friends and lads have lost an eyebrow or two there's no harm meant in it just friends having a laugh at each other.I'm 24 years old and still head out for a session most weekends with the lads to get hammered and will continue to do so i honestly feel sorry for his friends and family but unfortunately it's just a freak accident and a young man lost his life.

Dudess

mathepac wrote: »

You have no point nor do your posts display that you have even the most basic knowledge or expertise needed to sustain the point you think you have made, your point being just hot-air; meaningless, insensitive waffle. BTW, you are not alone.

He's suggesting what others suggested: the possibility the victim choked on his vomit due to being positioned dangerously. What he's also saying is that he knows of people who had that much to drink on a night and didn't die, as have I. Not saying it's an ok amount to drink btw.
Since when are medical knowledge and extensive research prerequisites for posting to an AH thread, even a serious one?

Merzbow

dollybird2 wrote: »

I do think his friends went to far with their behaviour. The shaving eyebrows is an old one, but putting someone who was likely to be in a near comatose state into a lift naked is going way too far. That's pure stupidity and ignorance all for a laugh. However, I would bet on the fact that none of them ever thought or believed it may contribute to serious detriment to his life.

It's Ireland, they were probably just having the "craic" :rolleyes:

Mezcita

Dudess wrote: »

He's suggesting what others suggested: the possibility the victim choked on his vomit due to being positioned dangerously. What he's also saying is that he knows of people who had that much to drink on a night and didn't die, as have I. Not saying it's an ok amount to drink btw.
Since when are medical knowledge and extensive research prerequisites for posting to an AH thread, even a serious one?

I would suggest that medical knowledge and extensive research are a lot more credible than people's speculation on what may/may not have happened.

mathepac

@Dudess, I'm not sure how you can justify saying that I'm being a "bit personal", given that I've addressed my self to the content of that (and other people's) posts. If you feel I have breached the AH charter or posting guidelines, please feel free to refer my post(s) to the moderators / admins.

You might mean of course that the "bit personal" is in relation to yourself, given that your post earlier in the thread seems to make the same unsubstantiated point about the friends' roles on the night in question.

I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion, such is the nature of a bulletin-board discussion, but in the circumstance here, where a young man is dead needlessly, I believe that any opinion expressed needs to be informed and not just idle speculation - stupid gossip, if you prefer.

You posted - "What he's also saying is that he knows of people who had that much to drink on a night and didn't die, as have I." My response is so what, how does that add value to the discussion? Your post has fallen into the same trap as the original post I commented on by displaying the same lack of knowledge.

One of the facts about this deadly substance is that the same quantity of alcohol consumed over a different time-scale in different circumstances can have drastically different outcomes for the drinker, even lethal as was the case for poor young Gary Murphy. Only a completely irresponsible idiot would attempt to calculate or specify a safe maximum dose of alcohol for any individual or tell them what it is safe level for their drinking.

einshteen

ANY other drug and there'd be uproar... but not for our beloved alcohol

Dudess

mathepac wrote: »

@Dudess, I'm not sure how you can justify saying that I'm being a "bit personal", given that I've addressed my self to the content of that (and other people's) posts. If you feel I have breached the AH charter or posting guidelines, please feel free to refer my post(s) to the moderators / admins.

Yeah, I edited that as there was no need for it - d'oh, still caught.
Sorry, just felt you were being a bit harsh. Genuinely don't think there was any malice or offence meant by Minidazzler.

You might mean of course that the "bit personal" is in relation to yourself, given that your post earlier in the thread seems to make the same unsubstantiated point about the friends' roles on the night in question.

Wo... I "might" not...

I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion, such is the nature of a bulletin-board discussion, but in the circumstance here, where a young man is dead needlessly, I believe that any opinion expressed needs to be informed and not just idle speculation - stupid gossip, if you prefer.

You posted - "What he's also saying is that he knows of people who had that much to drink on a night and didn't die, as have I." My response is so what, how does that add value to the discussion? Your post has fallen into the same trap as the original post I commented on by displaying the same lack of knowledge.

One of the facts about this deadly substance is that the same quantity of alcohol consumed over a different time-scale in different circumstances can have drastically different outcomes for the drinker, even lethal as was the case for poor young Gary Murphy. Only a completely irresponsible idiot would attempt to calculate or specify a safe maximum dose of alcohol for any individual or tell them what it is safe level for their drinking.

Fair enough - no offence meant. Just thought MD was attempting to make the same point as others re choking...

mathepac

Dudess wrote: »

... Fair enough - no offence meant. Just thought MD was attempting to make the same point as others re choking...

Sound none taken.

On the choking thing, that really gets my goat as not one of the reports I've read mentions it. The original RTE thread starter one says " ... The coroner's court was told that paramedics could not resuscitate Gary Murphy from Palm Drive, Grantstown Village, Waterford, when they were called to his apartment ... ". As far as I'm concerned someone somewhere along the line appears to have imagined the choking or invented it.

I might have missed something about it; if I did I apologise.

Dudess

Well I thought that's what the explanation of bronchial pneumonia given earlier meant.

mathepac

Aspiration pneumonia is the type most often associated with inhaling foreign matter (saliva, food, drink, stomach contents, vomit, etc) into the lungs, by for example choking on food or vomit.

Overheal

Can we at least agree he wouldn't be in that state without the assistance of that much alchohol?

I'll assume none of us are medically inclined, and even if we were we can't verify people's credentials here. Let Journalists report on the official cause of death, as told by coroners. And to that extent, I will certainly agree with people a few pages ago in that some things are best left not poked at.

We did already forget about the other kid who died to alchohol, when his liver failed. He was also 19.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055661939&highlight=liver+failure

Drumpot

einshteen wrote: »

ANY other drug and there'd be uproar... but not for our beloved alcohol

And then theres tobacco . .

In all fairness there are plenty of "acceptable drugs" that are part of society . .

Society conforms to whatever it likes and what is populist . .

AudreyHepburn

How tragic!

Saying that, and I mean this with all respect, if some-one is going to go out and drink stupid dangerous amounts of alcohol what do they expect?

I don't go in for this 'ah-sure-we've-all-done-it' crap tbh. Heavy drinking is too readily accpeting as the norm in this country and it really does no-one any favours trying to defend this behaviour.

Getting so drunk you end up comatose is reckless and dangerous and anyone who allows themselves to get that bad is asking for trouble imo.

I'm not saying the young man deserved to die of course, just that you can't drink that much and expect to come out unscathed.

We all know the consequences of drinking too much and hopefully this will serve as a lesson to those who regularly binge drink.

enda1

einshteen wrote: »

ANY other drug and there'd be uproar... but not for our beloved alcohol

Maybe.

I think alcohol is great though. I enjoyed a fine bottle of wine last night with my girlfriend. I'm still alive and able to function today. Don't let the few spoil it for the many.

kiad

Not much of a loss to be honest. Everyone knows the more you drink the more danger you put yourself in. Many a time I've woken up very hungover with lumps and cuts and all sorts and I knew it was my own fault. You can't expect to chug half a litre of vodka and not have bad sh*t happen. At least some people will stop being stupid with booze for a few weeks.

kiad

kiad wrote: »

Not much of a loss to be honest. Everyone knows the more you drink the more danger you put yourself in. Many a time I've woken up very hungover with lumps and cuts and all sorts and I knew it was my own fault. You can't expect to chug half a litre of vodka and not have bad sh*t happen. At least some people will stop being stupid with booze for a few weeks.

Congratulations! You're officially going to hell.

Elevator

idiot dies while making an idiot of himself to his idiot mates who make an idiot out of their dead friend and then feel like idiots when some other idiot realises he's dead

i congratulate rte on releasing the details as this goes on every weekend up and down the country where some feel completely invincible and dont realise the damage they're doing to themselves and the risks they're putting themselves at