The Chinese are coming..to be our 'friend'

Amhran Nua

SugarHigh wrote: »

I love the irrational fear of the Chinese

Its neither irrational nor a fear. Its just a bad deal. And probably illegal.

SugarHigh

Nodin wrote: »

The quality of their english is unprovable one way or another, but I can tell ye now, they do take a drink....

They really do drink sfa. The Japanese on the other hand get drunk a lot but still don't drink much. The Chinese people we get are going to do fûck all but work all day just like the migration within their own country where people go to cities to find work and have basically no life. Instead of getting a 15 hour train to a bug city to find work they will get a plane to Ireland and send all of their money back to families in rural China.


The other Chinese immigrants we already have who come for education spend thousands each year to attend a ****ty IT they are normally from relatively wealthy families and really don't cause any hassle because they all work part time to fund their education.

SugarHigh

SugarHigh wrote: »

Most of the American companies only employed Irish people in the lower end jobs.

Sweet Jesus :rolleyes:
I have worked in Pfizer, Wyeth, two Boston Scientific plants, a J&J plant and visited a good few others when I was a rep. Not an American to be seen apart from the odd one that was here anyway and the odd one or two that transferred over for whatever reason. Saying that they only employ Irish people in the lower end jobs is factually incorrect and everyone is on a good wage.

Do you honestly reckon that the American plants in Ireland have loads of American folk in them ?

maxwell smart

I'm putting in my planning application for a casino next door to it first thing Monday! The Chinese love gambling!

PanchoVilla

SugarHigh wrote: »

They really do drink sfa. The Japanese on the other hand get drunk a lot but still don't drink much. The Chinese people we get are going to do fûck all but work all day just like the migration within their own country where people go to cities to find work and have basically no life. Instead of getting a 15 hour train to a bug city to find work they will get a plane to Ireland and send all of their money back to families in rural China.


The other Chinese immigrants we already have who come for education spend thousands each year to attend a ****ty IT they are normally from relatively wealthy families and really don't cause any hassle because they all work part time to fund their education.

No, the Chinese do drink a fair bit but they also eat a lot when they drink so they don't get shítfaced and walk around town causing trouble. I went to a birthday party for a Chinese girl I used to work with and they drank an incredible amount. It was a great party at some karaoke place just off Moore St.

BillShorey

PanchoVilla wrote:

And you honestly wonder why Chinese people keep to themselves? I'm not trying to be rude or insulting but people like you are the reason they find it so difficult to integrate, so they just keep to themselves. Here's a great little film about a Chinese lad who came to Ireland thinking we actually spoke Irish.

You cant find something difficult if you're not trying in the first place, which to be honest is exactly what is going on. Some Eastern Europeans have integrated extremely well as they've put in the effort, a lot haven't. Its all reflective of effort.

Me making a joke about one mannerism isnt an obstruction to integration, get a grip. Racial sensitivity is at a ridiculous level these days also, every race or group has mannerisms or traits that help define them, there's nothing wrong about joking about them, be they Irish, English, Chinese, Indian etc. Being reactive and overly sensitive to jokes, particularly about something that doesnt concern you personally, only aides the problem as it creates an issue out of something there currently isn't an issue with.

Black/White Americans are getting a lot better at this recently, go to comedy club and youll see black and white comedians making jokes about black people, white people etc. It's something we have to embrace and not make a huge fuss over, kind of like how you should just act normal when a kid falls and not dote over them and make a fuss about a perfectly harmless incident.


I think it's safe to simply ignore SugarHigh going forward, brash unfounded statement one after another with no evidence to support it. Ignorance at its finest.

latenia

This is what this is really about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/world/europe/13prato.html

Why the fup should we allow them to come in and drive down wages, labour conditions and the quality of goods produced here? They're only interested in Ireland as a flag of convenience and are hoping to take advantage of our currently weakened state to get a foot in the door. Rather than create jobs and wealth, this kind of setup will do the opposite and, if it becomes more widespread, permanently bring us down to their standard of living.

PanchoVilla

BillShorey wrote: »

Ignorance at its finest.

Like "Chinese Yakuza"?

BillShorey

No, that was a mistake. No need to be petty.

newmug

This shouldnt be allowed. Real Ireland is being arseridden to death. Its not on.

Wertz

Chinese know a bargain when they see one.

This is just one big pipedream! just like the Casino or whateveritis near Port Laoise that some developer who over bought land is trying to offload.

Athlone is in the wrong place for a distribution network. The Chinese are trying to monopolise their distribution networks so Chinese goods go on Chinese ships to Chinese lorries to Chinese shops to Irish customers and all the profit goes back to China, they ain't going to make anything here.

Edit: and the bending of "Made in EU" rules. as below!

PanchoVilla

latenia wrote: »

This is what this is really about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/world/europe/13prato.html

Why the fup should we allow them to come in and drive down wages, labour conditions and the quality of goods produced here? They're only interested in Ireland as a flag of convenience and are hoping to take advantage of our currently weakened state to get a foot in the door. Rather than create jobs and wealth, this kind of setup will do the opposite and, if it becomes more widespread, permanently bring us down to their standard of living.

It is a “Made in Italy” problem: Enabled by Italy’s weak institutions and high tolerance for rule-bending, the Chinese have blurred the line between “Made in China” and “Made in Italy,” undermining Italy’s cachet and ability to market its goods exclusively as high end.

So the Italian government lets people get away with breaking (bending) the law and it's the Chinese that are to blame? Perhaps if the authorities weren't so corrupt and actually did their job the Italians wouldn't be in this situation.

latenia

latenia wrote: »

This is what this is really about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/world/europe/13prato.html

Why the fup should we allow them to come in and drive down wages, labour conditions and the quality of goods produced here? They're only interested in Ireland as a flag of convenience and are hoping to take advantage of our currently weakened state to get a foot in the door. Rather than create jobs and wealth, this kind of setup will do the opposite and, if it becomes more widespread, permanently bring us down to their standard of living.

You could be right! Bring "semi-finished" goods in from China and do final assembly* here and stick a Made in EU sticker on it.


*Inserting the spark plug into the engine of a car is sufficient to give it a made in EU sticker (despite the fact that the remainder of the assembly was in China).

AckwelFoley

BillShorey wrote: »

Sounds interesting although they should perhaps look at the total and utter failure to integrate by the existing Chinese immigrants before they even consider exporting a few thousand more over here to sit in Athlone as a separate community.

Athlone is a rather random spot for it though. I don't understand these proposals out in the middle of nowhere while there's a ton of viable land in/around Dublin where tourists can access it easily and there's already capable transport systems.

Athlone is 40 mins from dublin.

Middle of nowhere is subjective.

There is talk about an airport been built near athlone, probably for this purpose

PanchoVilla

Deleted User wrote: »

You could be right! Bring "semi-finished" goods in from China and do final assembly* here and stick a Made in EU sticker on it.


*Inserting the spark plug into the engine of a car is sufficient to give it a made in EU sticker (despite the fact that the remainder of the assembly was in China).

That's an issue for the EU to deal with. Contact you MEP. Just because Irish and EU laws are woefully inadequate doesn't mean the Chinese are devils for taking advantage of it. European and U.S. companies have been taking advantage of sweatshops in China for decades.

Athlone is in the wrong place for a distribution network.

Have you looked at a map of Ireland recently? Athlone is almost exactly in the center of the island. How would it be the wrong place for a distribution network?

Adyx

I assume this is the same thing from 4 months ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055955413

flash1080

Athlone is a dump.

Wooooooo!!!!!! 155 posts!

AckwelFoley

Deleted User wrote: »

This is just one big pipedream! just like the Casino or whateveritis near Port Laoise that some developer who over bought land is trying to offload.

Athlone is in the wrong place for a distribution network. The Chinese are trying to monopolise their distribution networks so !

Its not for distribution. Its aim is to make it simpler for europeans to meet chinese companies.

A french watch company wants to outsource parts of their manufacturing..they can come to this centre and meet chinese manufacturers rather than going on a 13 hour flight to china.

Biggins

MagicMarker wrote: »

The chinese... a great bunch of lads.

They are not lazy, they know how to wok hard!

Nodin

...as long as theres no roof top battles after 11 on a week night, I'm easy.

Rabble Rabble

SugarHigh wrote: »

China are building an empire they have already bought a lot of Africa for food supply. I don't see the problem, I'd prefer an empire built through investment than war.

The only problem there is historical precedent, like the East India company etc. It may become a real empire. That said the Chinese are not really all that imperialistic.

Rabble Rabble

latenia wrote: »

This is what this is really about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/world/europe/13prato.html

Why the fup should we allow them to come in and drive down wages, labour conditions and the quality of goods produced here? They're only interested in Ireland as a flag of convenience and are hoping to take advantage of our currently weakened state to get a foot in the door. Rather than create jobs and wealth, this kind of setup will do the opposite and, if it becomes more widespread, permanently bring us down to their standard of living.

I assume they will pay Western wages in the West. The hostility to the Chinese is appalling, they are a very good people.

Nerdkiller1991

You know, I don't care what they do there. As long as the place has an IMAX theatre (and not a digital one), I'm moving there. But yeah, it does seem a bit suspicious of the Chinese to build a village in this country.

SugarHigh

PanchoVilla wrote: »

So the Italian government lets people get away with breaking (bending) the law and it's the Chinese that are to blame? Perhaps if the authorities weren't so corrupt and actually did their job the Italians wouldn't be in this situation.

Not only that but it's complete hypocrisy for Irish people to complain about something like that when so much food produced in Ireland is sold in Britain with a made in Britain logo simply because it was repackaged there.

latenia

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

I assume they will pay Western wages in the West. The hostility to the Chinese is appalling, they are a very good people.

Did you even read that article I linked to? Do you honestly believe the staff in the restaurants on Parnell St all have valid working visas (and adhere to their conditions) are on the books and paid minimum wage? Chinese are generally good people but in many aspects of their society they're about 50 years behind us.

SugarHigh

snyper wrote: »

Its not for distribution. Its aim is to make it simpler for europeans to meet chinese companies.

A french watch company wants to outsource parts of their manufacturing..they can come to this centre and meet chinese manufacturers rather than going on a 13 hour flight to china.

+1

It basically a glorified expo hall of which china has lots if but now they are building one here to save a plane journey.

BillShorey

If the Chinese build a settlement here, does that mean we've got to start worrying about those god damn mongorians?

ScumLord

I don't trust the Chinese government, I don't trust the American government either but at least the American people can keep them in check. There's no such balance in China.

I don't think the Chinese government has any respect for the west as can be seen by the amount of counter fitting that comes out of there, they are ripping off their western customers and the western companies take it because their making out like bandits either way using cheap Chinese labour so it's not really any skin off their noses.

AckwelFoley

latenia wrote: »

Did you even read that article I linked to? Do you honestly believe the staff in the restaurants on Parnell St all have valid working visas (and adhere to their conditions) are on the books and paid minimum wage? Chinese are generally good people but in many aspects of their society they're about 50 years behind us.

This proposal isnt a resturant.

Most of the people that work in Chinese resturants are either family, friends of family or inlaws of sorts. They tend to keep to themselves and spend very little, and when they do its mainly asian food from asian wholesalers here.

Nodin

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

You know, I don't care what they do there. As long as the place has an IMAX theatre (and not a digital one), I'm moving there. But yeah, it does seem a bit suspicious of the Chinese to build a village in this country.

Sure it won't last long. Kung Fu battles in the tea houses mean chinese villages have a relatively short life span.

PanchoVilla

latenia wrote: »

Did you even read that article I linked to? Do you honestly believe the staff in the restaurants on Parnell St all have valid working visas (and adhere to their conditions) are on the books and paid minimum wage? Chinese are generally good people but in many aspects of their society they're about 50 years behind us.

Like I said before, that's a matter for the Irish authorities to deal with, not the Chinese employers. If they're allowed to break the law they will break the law, Irish companies do it all the time. Why the double standard?

I worked for Londis on O'Connell St. for about two months a few years ago. I was paid less than the minimum wage and was told this was because they had a two week training period. After the two weeks was up they continued paying me under the minimum wage and I was not paid extra for overtime. I asked why I wasn't being paid minimum wage and they told me they'd get onto it. Two months later I decided to just leave and I reported them to the Dept. of Labor. I doubt anything was done about it.

pwd

Re people saying they are trying to corrupt the imaginary "Made in Ireland" mark of quality - they aren't intending to manufacture anything in the proposed hub.

This thread pretty much demonstrates exactly why China would want to do something like this: Potential foreign investors and customers are often put off by distrust of China. This is demonstrated by numerous kneejerk distrustful responses. Having a physical office/point of contact in Ireland would provide reassurance to potential customers.

It's not great that they're doing this, because providing a point of contact here would remove the advantages Irish businesses have in fields where direct competition is possible. They already can afford to murder us on price across the board.

The problem is that if we say no, another nearby country could say yes - possibly removing the advantages anyway. Might be the prisoner's dilemma.

But maybe the answer is simple enough: Say yes, but insist on preference for Irish employees there. Not supposed to give work visas out unless you can't fill a job with an EU person as it is, so they should just be strict with that rule.

Dionysus

On 1 February 2008 Pat Kenny interviewed a man named Tim Butcher who had written a book on Chinese involvement in Africa. The interview made for shocking listening. It was clear from listening to him that China is now the new colonial power in many parts of Africa, making deals with corrupt African leaders to control natural resources in those regions.

I can't find the podcast on the RTÉ Radio 1 website, but this appears to be the book that Tim Butcher was promoting that day.

PanchoVilla

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Have you looked at a map of Ireland recently? Athlone is almost exactly in the center of the island. How would it be the wrong place for a distribution network?

I live there! The road network is centred on Dublin.

Doom

I wonder is the 180ft tower for employees to jump off, like the poor misfortunates of Foxconn

PanchoVilla

Dionysus wrote: »

On 1 February 2008 Pat Kenny interviewed a man named Tim Butcher who had written a book on Chinese involvement in Africa. The interview made for shocking listening. It was clear from listening to him that China is now the new colonial power in many parts of Africa, making deals with corrupt African leaders to control natural resources in those regions.

I can't find the podcast on the RTÉ Radio 1 website, but this appears to be the book that Tim Butcher was promoting that day.

The French and Belgians in west Africa, the British in the east, the Dutch in South Africa....I think the Chinese are the least of their worries to be fairly honest. Thats not even including Ireland's own dark history of slave trading. I think your ignorance of Africa's recent history is what's really shocking here. Better the have Africa's resources controlled by corrupt African leaders than by corrupt European corporations.

snyper

snyper wrote: »

Its not for distribution. Its aim is to make it simpler for europeans to meet chinese companies.

A french watch company wants to outsource parts of their manufacturing..they can come to this centre and meet chinese manufacturers rather than going on a 13 hour flight to china.

If that's the case, then I would oppose it!
Why? We've already exported enough jobs to the far east without giving them even greater opportunity to take some more.

After all, if our manufacturing industry is destroyed (it may already be) then soon we won't have any choice but buy from China.
If they then decouple the Yuan from the dollar and the cost of their stuff will be at least double what it is now, it would take years for local industries to get started.

Acacia

Don't know which looks worse... this yoke or the planned Las Vegas-style casino , also meant to be built somewhere in the arsehole of the country... tacky monstrosities.

also i welcome our new chinese overlords with their delicious curry and chips and equally delicious censorship and human rights abuses.

Absurdum

“They were curious as to why a small town in the midlands of Ireland could be the focus of something so big,” says Aengus O’Rourke, Fianna Fáil councillor and son of local TD Mary O’Rourke. She met the prospective investors last year through Ken So, who owns Ken’s Oriental Restaurant in the town and is a long-standing family friend. Aengus O’Rourke describes So as a “facilitator” for the investors.

His mother was given a detailed presentation on the project. “They laid the plans out on my living room floor,” she says. “It was all very intriguing and even a little mystifying.”

it will fail

Amhran Nua

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Thats not even including Ireland's own dark history of slave trading.

Of all the many howlers you've come out with, that's got to be the best yet. Tell me, since the formation of the Irish state, how many slaves have been traded by its agents? Or are we just trying to hold an entire country (which didn't exist as an independent state at the time) responsible for the actions of individuals?

kuntboy

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

That said the Chinese are not really all that imperialistic.

"We must control the earth". Mao Tse Tung
"Intimidate with force, seduce with money". President Jiang Zemin, 1998
"We must bide our time and hide our capabilities". Deng Xiaoping, 1994
"War with the United States is inevitable". General Chi Haotian, Minister of Defence, 1994

They also are building a secret nuclear arsenal and a vast network of underground bases, for all those idiots who think a brutal dictatorship with global hegemony is a good thing.

PanchoVilla

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Of all the many howlers you've come out with, that's got to be the best yet. Tell me, since the formation of the Irish state, how many slaves have been traded by its agents? Or are we just trying to hold an entire country (which didn't exist as an independent state at the time) responsible for the actions of individuals?

Leinster house was built as a town house for Ireland's wealthiest slave trader. The Republic may not have had anything to do with the slave trade, but our government doesn't seem to mind being associated with it.

holystungun9

Princess Peach wrote: »

I still aint gonna read it.

But if its what I imagine it to be, I'm happy about it. Asian dudes are hot

Hot?? maybe due to the friction of furiously rubbing up against ya with their tiny.......you know what I'm saying.

ejmaztec

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The French and Belgians in west Africa, the British in the east, the Dutch in South Africa....I think the Chinese are the least of their worries to be fairly honest. Thats not even including Ireland's own dark history of slave trading. I think your ignorance of Africa's recent history is what's really shocking here. Better the have Africa's resources controlled by corrupt African leaders than by corrupt European corporations.

The Chinese will make the old colonial powers look like a bunch of rank amateurs when it comes to exploitation of the African peoples.

Bruthal

MagicMarker wrote: »

The chinese... a great bunch of lads.

Ted says ye were touchin him

Amhran Nua

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Leinster house was built as a town house for Ireland's wealthiest slave trader. The Republic may not have had anything to do with the slave trade, but our government doesn't seem to mind being associated with it.

Sweet freakin jesus. Is that how your SWP buddies justified trying to break into it? We're through the looking glass here folks.

PanchoVilla

ejmaztec wrote: »

The Chinese will make the old colonial powers look like a bunch of rank amateurs when it comes to exploitation of the African peoples.

Millions of Africans have been murdered because of European colonialism, countless more have been enslaved and taken away from their homeland. How the fúck are the Chinese gonna be any worse? Are they just gonna nuke the whole continent? Come back to reality for just one second.

Rabble Rabble

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Leinster house was built as a town house for Ireland's wealthiest slave trader. The Republic may not have had anything to do with the slave trade, but our government doesn't seem to mind being associated with it.

Jesus Wept. He was an Anglo-Irish Earl. The people who invaded Ireland also invaded other places, are we to destroy all buildings funded by the slave trade.

PanchoVilla

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Sweet freakin jesus. Is that how your SWP buddies justified trying to break into it? We're through the looking glass here folks.

Who the fúck said anything about the SWP? You can't give a reasonable answer to my comment so you just change the subject completely? You have a promising future ahead of you in Irish politics. You should probably head back to the politics forum now before you make an even bigger arse of yourself. Oh, and I'm flattered someone is actually stalking me on boards.