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The Chinese are coming..to be our 'friend'

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I hope the priest who blesses the place makes sure his windows are clean.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    realies wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1202/athlone.html


    Westmeath County Council has granted planning permission for an international trade and commerce centre on a 137-hectare site at Creggan, Athlone.
    The centre, with a price tag of €175m, will promote trade and business between China, Europe and the US.
    An estimated 1,500 jobs are expected to be created as part of the project, as well as 1,200 posts during the construction phase.
    A planning application was lodged last May for the first part of what has been dubbed the Athlone Chinatown project. Planning was granted this afternoon to Athlone Business Park Ltd, the company behind the venture, with 47 conditions.
    A statement from the project backers pointed out that the majority of all of these jobs will be for Irish/EU nationals.
    Phase one of the international trade and commerce centre will comprise of two exhibition halls, each containing space for 270 concessionaires to display their wares, one hall for visiting exhibitions with space for 135 flexible separate display areas, nine smaller exhibition halls, one administrative building and an entrance concourse.
    When completed, it will comprise a total of nine exhibition halls, nine smaller independent exhibition buildings, one temporary exhibitions space, offices, administrative services, some living quarters, hotels, shops, restaurants, pubs, a school and train station.
    Financed by a combination of private equity and pre-sales of concession spaces at the centre, backers claim there is potential for 9,000 jobs if the master plan for the centre is fully developed, with at least two thirds made up of Irish/EU workers and up to one third Chinese specialists and management staff.
    The centre is expected to attract a potential 1.5 million international buyers and visitors annually when completed.
    The International Trade and Commerce Centre will provide showcase/demonstration space for Chinese manufacturers and traders to display their products to European and other international buyers, with a view to generating bulk orders, which will then be delivered from the producers in China.
    Export oriented enterprises and products from China, including electric cars, medical devices, fabrics and machinery will be displayed and traded from the centre.
    There will be a dedicated cultural space for showcasing Chinese heritage and culture.
    The overall master plan for the entire 337-acre site will provide for up to 3,000 companies to display their wares in the nine exhibition halls and other facilities.
    There is also potential for Irish goods and products to be showcased at the centre to gain access to the expanding Asian markets.
    If successful, the centre will bring European and American trade buyers/business people to Athlone, instead of the current need for expensive and time consuming travel to and within China for such purchasing and trading activity, it added:)


    Hope it all goes to plan :) Anyway what possibly could go wrong ;):rolleyes:

    This is verry verry cool:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭North_West_Art


    mike65 wrote: »
    I hope the priest who blesses the place makes sure his windows are clean.

    Fr. Ted? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,411 ✭✭✭positron


    That's it. Lets switch to Yuan. You know where the future is. Up yours Germany & France. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭holystungun9


    Why Meath? Why not Cork?

    Jayzuz, chinese with a cork accent or corkonian with a chinese accent. God forbid!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    If this goes ahead then the infrastructure needs to be up to scratch, A private airstrip near Athlone would be ideal for business visitors. I notice a train station is in the planning too so hopefully Iarnród Éireann don't **** it up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    david75 wrote: »
    This is more than a little bit scary! check out the picture at the top of the link!
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/tile/2010/1106/1224282775497_1.jpg




    Chinese plans to create a city in Co Westmeath that will act as a trading hub for Europe have met with delight and disbelief in almost equal measure. But the project seems to be advancing stealthily, writes MARY FITZGERALD
    IT HAS BEEN the talk of Athlone for almost two years. What began as vague whisperings of Chinese investors scouting the midlands town for a major project soon developed into umpteen rumours, each one grander than the last. Local wags spoke of “Shanghai-on-Shannon” – but there were few facts. “It all appeared quite nebulous until the Taoiseach spoke publicly about it in late June,” says Tadhg Carey, editor of the Westmeath Independent. “That seemed to make it more real in the eyes of people here.”



    Brian Cowen’s comments failed to shed much light, though he confirmed he had met some of those involved. “It’s about exploring the potential of this idea,” Cowen said.
    A week later the Westmeath Independent published excerpts from a preliminary design statement and an image of what the project might look like. It describes “the greatest commercial and trade centre, tour centre, cultural centre, amusement centre and international conference centre in Europe”. The plans include a convention centre in the style of a Chinese palace, two five-star hotels, apartment complexes, a railway station, two bus terminals, a school, a medical centre, a fire station, a six-hole golf course and a 180m tower topped with a rotating viewing gallery.




    The heart of the project would be an exhibition area with up to 20 trade halls, a commercial district and a retail service zone. The promoters say it could draw 20,000 to 35,000 visitors per week.
    An editorial in the Westmeath Independent captured local sentiment: “The scale of the reported development is mind boggling . . . Athlone would become a city, almost overnight, and its focus would clearly move eastwards.”



    The story caught the attention of the international media. The Guardian drew comparisons between the concept and Beijing’s recent investments in Greece under the headline “Ireland at forefront of Chinese plans to conquer Europe”. It wrote: “Ambitious Chinese companies are pouring money into cash-strapped Ireland and Greece to gain a foothold in Europe.” Before long, local councillors were fielding calls from journalists in England, France, the US, Germany, the Netherlands and China.




    “They were curious as to why a small town in the midlands of Ireland could be the focus of something so big,” says Aengus O’Rourke, Fianna Fáil councillor and son of local TD Mary O’Rourke. She met the prospective investors last year through Ken So, who owns Ken’s Oriental Restaurant in the town and is a long-standing family friend. Aengus O’Rourke describes So as a “facilitator” for the investors.



    His mother was given a detailed presentation on the project. “They laid the plans out on my living room floor,” she says. “It was all very intriguing and even a little mystifying.”
    Her initial response was that it would present a good opportunity, she recalls, until the investors began to talk of who would work there. “They were proposing that all the people employed in the building and the manning of it would be Chinese. I told them I didn’t think that would be acceptable. We would need a mix of Chinese and Irish. They were talking about 12,000 people but, at that time, the plan was very vast, very fanciful. As I understand it, they have now changed their plan.”



    She introduced the investors to her son, who was president of the local chamber of commerce. He arranged a meeting with his cousin Conor Lenihan, who was minister for integration. Those at the meeting included a British-based businessman of Chinese origin who works in logistics and food imports, and several Chinese investors who spoke through an interpreter. “The people who came from China are very big players there, employing several thousand people each,” she says. “They work in areas including electronics, home wares, lighting and green energy. They are very serious and very successful businessmen.”



    More meetings followed, including with the Taoiseach. The promoters met the Minister of State for Housing and Local Services, Michael Finneran, several times and he visited their Beijing offices during a St Patrick’s Day trip this year. The site of the proposed development, in Athlone’s eastern hinterland, falls within the boundaries of what was designated a developing area by the Department of the Environment in 2008, and therefore comes under Finneran’s brief. (Developing areas are those identified in the National Spatial Strategy as fast-growing and in strategic locations.)



    In September, speculation in Athlone intensified after councillors voted to approve a local area plan comprising 302 hectares in Creggan on the town’s eastern fringe. Many noted parallels between it and the Chinese proposal.
    “The language used in terms of the objectives of the local area plan is striking,” says Carey. “It talks of developing Creggan as a ‘world-class enterprise, innovation and trading hub’. That is not the sort of language you have in normal local area plans in the midlands.
    “There is no denying that the local area plan is a de facto zoning blueprint for development of this scale, size and type. It would appear to the outsider that it has been designed as such, and the similarities are not accidental. That has added to the public interest.”




    Attempts to contact the investors and the two local developers who own the site proved unsuccessful. Others involved in different aspects of the plan declined to comment. Many who have met the investors describe the proposed facility as like a permanent trade fair.
    “What is being proposed is a massive trading hub, which will allow Chinese companies to display their wares in large exhibition halls for the European market and beyond,” says Finneran. “Buyers will be able to do all their purchasing in one location instead of going to China, where they might have to travel to several cities. This will save them a lot of time and money.”



    He says reports in the international media that the complex will include factories are inaccurate. “There is no question of any manufacturing being done here,” he says.
    Co-operation with China is nothing new for Athlone, which has forged links over the past decade, mostly under the direction of Prof Ciarán Ó Catháin, president of Athlone Institute of Technology (AIT). “We could see China was fast becoming a global power and we were interested in partnering with some of the leading drivers of that development,” says Prof Ó Catháin. AIT has established exchange programmes with higher-education and research institutions in such cities as Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing and Dalian. Several hundred Chinese students come to Athlone every year and the institute offers Mandarin classes. Chinese ambassador Liu Biwei has been a frequent visitor to the town.


    The Chinese embassy says it had few details of the proposed trade hub, however. “This is a private investment project,” a spokeswoman says. “We have no further information.”
    A spokesman for the Taoiseach says the Athlone plan did not feature in discussions on trade and investment when Cowen met visiting Chinese officials in September. The delegation led by Li Changchun, a senior Communist Party of China official, represented the highest-level visit since premier Wen Jiabao came to Ireland in 2004.



    Cowen said he had stressed to them that Ireland was ideally placed to become a gateway to Europe for China. “We have been a great gateway for US investment into Europe and I think we can do the same for Chinese investment,” he said, adding that Ireland has important advantages, including being the only English-speaking country in the euro zone. He is to lead a trade mission to China early next year.



    Duncan Freeman, who researches EU-China trade and investment at the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China Studies, says the language could be a major pull for the Chinese investors. It is understood they also looked at several other sites across Europe. “Given that English is the international business language, it is an important factor for a lot of Chinese companies,” says Freeman.
    “The favourable tax regime is also likely to be a factor, as is the fact that Ireland is seen as having, in terms of regulation, a relatively business-friendly attitude. From the Chinese perspective, this makes it more appealing than some parts of Europe, which are seen as bit too complicated and difficult.”




    One persistent rumour in Athlone concerns the number of jobs and how many would be filled by Chinese nationals. “There are reports that if this comes to fruition, some 2,000 of the people employed there would be Chinese,” says James Bannon, a local Fine Gael TD. “I would have reservations about the prospect of a self-contained community separate to Athlone. Jobs for local workers should be a priority. We need more information about what exactly is being proposed. There is an onus on the Government to be more upfront about this. At the moment no one really seems to know what is happening.”


    That could all change soon. It is understood that a formal planning application is to be lodged with Westmeath County Council early next month.
    Such is the scale of the proposal, however, that many in the town remain sceptical. “Some people’s attitude is we’ll believe it when we see it,” says Aengus O’Rourke. “It’s that big.”
    Why China is investing in Europe

    When the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, addressed the EU-China business summit in Brussels last month, he mixed honeyed words with pointed reminders of how Europe’s financial crisis had changed the parameters of its relationship with Beijing.

    After years of focusing its investment efforts on Asia and Africa, China has set its sights on Europe, wooing troubled euro zone economies with deals worth billions.

    Wen said the EU is now China’s largest partner in trade and investment, ahead of the US and Japan. He spoke of how Beijing had acted as a “friend” by buying bonds and helping Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy in “their most difficult time”. His words echoed those of the Taoiseach, Brian Cowen, after a meeting with Li Changchun, a senior Chinese official, in September. He “was very clear that China would be as helpful as it can to a friend like Ireland in the difficult times we have”, he said.

    Some of Beijings biggest deals have been in debt-ridden Greece and Italy. One allows Cosco, China’s state-run shipping firm, to turn the Greek port of Piraeus, Europe’s largest for passengers, into a regional entry point for Chinese goods. Cosco has similar plans to expand the port at Naples. There is talk of Chinese money being funnelled into Greek shipbuilding and telecommunications, as well as infrastructure projects including roads, railways and airports in eastern and southern Europe. Last year the China Overseas Engineering Group was accused of undercutting European bids when it landed a contract to build a highway in Poland.

    “The slide of the euro has slashed business operation costs in Europe and has made investing there much more attractive to Chinese businesses, Zhou Jizhong, a professor at Shanghai University of Finance and Economics, told Asia Times earlier this year.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2010/1106/1224282775497.html

    Gonna call BS on this one but fair play to you making it up yourself ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    An Bord Pleanála has given the green light to a multi-million euro Asian trade hub for Athlone in Co Westmeath.

    Link

    With the final hurdle passed this is now definitely going ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Me love this long time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Going to be fascinating to see how this pans out.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭noddyone2


    Read the last paragraph of the Irish Times article, see what the mayor says about dealing with the Chinese.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    The Chinese are very difficult people to deal with because when you try to wing them you always seem to get a wong number. :p

    man have you ever tried to search for Chin Lee in the chinese phone directory?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    How do they plan on building a city for €175 million? That seems a little impossible.. First phase?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,140 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    mike65 wrote: »
    Going to be fascinating to see how this pans out.

    Shouldn't that be Woks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    I love the irrational fear of the Chinese when we had no such feats about Americans. Racist bastards.

    People give china so much sh1t for doing stuff that the west does as well. It's like how the US and Britain have the cheek to complain about china undervaluing their currency when the US is literally printing trillions of dollars and the UK's only reason for not joining the euro was so they could devalue the pound.

    wrong there.....the people in the uk...are sick of paying for europe......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭force eleven


    Sykk wrote: »
    How do they plan on building a city for €175 million? That seems a little impossible.. First phase?

    The Chinese built the only man made structure visible from space. Piece of cake for this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Westmeath?
    Of all the attractive locations in Ireland they choose Westmeath?

    Seems the information gathering from their embassy is pretty awful

    Come to the mid-west :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    The Chinese built the only man made structure visible from space. Piece of cake for this.

    It's not visible from space. That's a myth. It was also built by the Chinese Empire who I'm pretty sure didn't pay very well or include 20 days a years holidays.. :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    justryan wrote: »
    Gonna call BS on this one but fair play to you making it up yourself ;)


    Wanna eat your sh!t sandwich now or on opening day?
    http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/news/chinese-trading-hub-gets-green-light-from-planning-board/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Westmeath gets thousands of jobs for this project yet they rejected the casino and racecourse plan in Tipp which would have created jobs too

    Leinster bias :mad:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    mikemac1 wrote: »

    Leinster bias :mad:
    What a ridiculous comment...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    That casino idea for Tipp was a farce though. Was never going to happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    Like most foreign investment, I foresee that very little Irish people will be employed in this new investment hub. Also, I think Chinese workers will be brought over from China to construct it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Seems the information gathering from their embassy is pretty awful

    Or pretty spot on depending on how you look at it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭BackScrub


    If the paddy fields can't come to the Chinese, the Chinese will come to the Paddy fields.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Pedant wrote: »
    Like most foreign investment, I foresee that very little Irish people will be employed in this new investment hub..

    Jobs for the Lepracháins at last.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,140 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    prinz wrote: »
    Jobs for the Lepracháins at last.

    That's why it's not going to cost much to build the city, there's a Lilliput thing going on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Westmeath?
    Of all the attractive locations in Ireland they choose Westmeath?

    Seems the information gathering from their embassy is pretty awful

    Come to the mid-west :cool:

    Agreed.

    Westmeath is such a hole that they couldn't even come up with an original county name. They had to copy it off their neighbour.

    Well if this oil thing pays off. The Americans can give us jobs on the coast and the Chinese can sort us out in the middle part of the country. Sorted :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Agreed.

    Westmeath is such a hole that they couldn't even come up with an original county name. They had to copy it off their neighbour.

    Well if this oil thing pays off. The Americans can give us jobs on the coast and the Chinese can sort us out in the middle part of the country. Sorted :cool:

    The west coast has the majority of irish tourism as well as Limerick and Galway. Midlands, being flat and cheap to settle in, with a good infrastructure to Dublin in both road and rail (plus a promised airport) is not a bad option.

    That "hole" comment, honest to god please get a life. Very few "holes" in Ireland


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    That's why it's not going to cost much to build the city, there's a Lilliput thing going on.

    We need the tiny hands to polish the insides of the shells exhibition halls.

    To the 'why westmeath?' crowd, this location made a shortlist of potential international sites, IIRC they searched all of northern Europe for sites and had a shortlist of places in the UK, Netherlands and Germany IIRC. They picked this one because it best suited their needs on a number of levels. They are no fools, they aren't going to pump €1.5billion into a site they hadn't very carefully researched.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Does this proposal have any real backing at all?

    It seems to be a very speculative project by a couple of local businessmen and a local Chinese restaurant owner who is a acting as a go between for some 'unnamed' Chinese investors. Apparently there have been many similar proposals for developments in the UK that came to nothing.


    I'm not holding my breath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    This might come in handy.
    嘿老板,任何一个开始的机会吗? (Hey boss, any chance of a start ?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Why is it being set up in Athlone FFS? Surely there are better locations than Athlone? Cork, Dublin, Waterford, Kerry, Galway, all have airports already, why does Athlone need one? Why not just upgrade one of the others? This is going to be as big a farce as Michael Lowry building Las Vegas in Tipperary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Just hope Iarnród Éireann don't **** it up as I presume this project will need a rail link if they are building a station.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    dvpower wrote: »
    Does this proposal have any real backing at all?

    I heard this is the guy behind it all.

    I swear it's Athlone's only choice,
    Throw up your hands and raise your voice!


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dvpower wrote: »
    Does this proposal have any real backing at all?

    It seems to be a very speculative project by a couple of local businessmen and a local Chinese restaurant owner who is a acting as a go between for some 'unnamed' Chinese investors. Apparently there have been many similar proposals for developments in the UK that came to nothing.


    I'm not holding my breath.

    I'm still of the opinion that it's a pipe dream of a group of "developers" who got landed with a lot of useless land.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Two 5 star hotels but a 6 hole golf course? WTF is a 6 hole golf course?! lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭sebastianlieken


    Does this mean that all public services will be offered in English, Irish, Polish, AND Chinesse?

    man this is gonna be even more of a nightmare ordering a breakfast rorr!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,140 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Two 5 star hotels but a 6 hole golf course? WTF is a 6 hole golf course?! lol

    A sign of more cutbacks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    An Taisce concerned about Athlone planning decision

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/an-taisce-concerned-about-athlone-planning-decision-549760.html


    In An Taisce’s appeal to An Bord Pleanala, it warned that a similar development has been planned for the Wirral near Liverpool and smaller-scale trade hubs have already been established across Europe.

    An Taisce claimed Athlone would not be able to compete with access to Liverpool through its ports and airports.

    The body also said "the vague nature of the planning conditions" attached to the development is a serious concern.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Smyth


    God pat yourselves on the back. You're all so ****ing liberal...and equally moronic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Agreed.

    Westmeath is such a hole that they couldn't even come up with an original county name. They had to copy it off their neighbour.
    Have you ever even been to Westmeath? Mullingar offers one of the best nights out ffs...

    If you want to pull a 15 year old and get stabbed by her 38 year old boyfriend...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Smyth wrote: »
    God pat yourselves on the back. You're all so ****ing liberal...and equally moronic.
    Wrong thread?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Precious flower


    It's just the design that frightens me, it looks so out of place with the landscape around it, although An Bord Pleanála seems to think it's fine!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    I hope it doesn't turn out to be a giant white elephant. Liverpool already has one of these hubs nearby. And there are a few smaller ones around Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,411 ✭✭✭positron


    Sounds like they are repeating what they did in Dubai - those who have been to 'Dragon Mart' to will know what to expect.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_International_City#Dragon_Mart

    images


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