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Wexford Election Speculation

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    #62
    Judgement Day
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    Some amusing links relating to Howlin here - Brendan Howlin is a Champagne Socialist on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=185867814092&v=info and an unusual blog here: http://graycrowblogofblogs.blogspot.com/2011/01/irish-general-election-2011-wexford.html where the useless Danny Forde of the Greens also features. :rolleyes:


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    #63
    effemall
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    ive heard that seamus o'brien the united left candidate has been suspended with full pay from wexford hospital. pretty convenient me thinks


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    #64
    McLoughlin
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    effemall wrote: »
    ive heard that seamus o'brien the united left candidate has been suspended with full pay from wexford hospital. pretty convenient me thinks

    He has had several warnings from WGH over the past year regarding comments he made about the place regarding people on trollys, overcrowding and people on long waiting lists for operations yet he never once spoke of the good things of days and weekends when there was no people on trollys empty wards.

    You can't go around saying bad things (at times the maybe true) about your place of work and not expect some kind of punishment.


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    #65
    McLoughlin
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Can't believe that Howlin is at 15%. Can anybody explain what exactly he has delivered for the county? :confused:

    He did somethings when he was minister for health some years ago and is well liked around wexford town for helping people with problems but there is less support for him this year I've spoken with quite a few Howlin supporters and there not voting for him this time they won't say why.


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    #66
    effemall
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    punishment???? how is suspended with full pay punishment. and right in the middle of an election campaign. smells fishy to me


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    #67
    McLoughlin
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    effemall wrote: »
    punishment???? how is suspended with full pay punishment. and right in the middle of an election campaign. smells fishy to me

    Well reprimanded then thats probably a better word to use.


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    #68
    Lyanna
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Can't believe that Howlin is at 15%. Can anybody explain what exactly he has delivered for the county? :confused:
    I've seen a few comments like this and I'm not specifically picking on Judgement Day by quoting this one... but what's with the emphasis on the county, rather than the country? I'd far rather a government that put their time and energy into governing the country rather than cultivating their local bases with small-scale populist gestures or favours that don't add up to any kind of coherent national plan. It's inefficient as well as insular and in my opinion is one of the worst aspects of our political culture.
    McLoughlin wrote: »
    He did somethings when he was minister for health some years ago and is well liked around wexford town for helping people with problems but there is less support for him this year I've spoken with quite a few Howlin supporters and there not voting for him this time they won't say why.
    I realise McLoughlin isn't necessarily endorsing the idea that your TD should be helping you with your problems, but I quoted this to illustrate the attitude I'm criticising. There may well be plenty of reasons not to vote for Brendan Howlin but the fact that he's not solving your problems for you is not one of them.


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    #69
    Judgement Day
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    Lyanna - I agree with your point about country before county but it is the voters of County Wexford who will vote in Howlin and I want to know why. :)


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    #70
    Judgement Day
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    Interesting to see that Mick Wallace is massively ahead on the Boards.ie election poll with 29% of the votes cast going to him - more than twice the number that Howlin has. Sadly come election day 'country' people tend to revert to tribal lines and vote the way that mammy and daddy always did.


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    #71
    bmaxi
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    McLoughlin wrote: »
    He has had several warnings from WGH over the past year regarding comments he made about the place regarding people on trollys, overcrowding and people on long waiting lists for operations yet he never once spoke of the good things of days and weekends when there was no people on trollys empty wards.

    You can't go around saying bad things (at times the maybe true) about your place of work and not expect some kind of punishment.

    I've just come out after spending more than a week in WGH and I have to say I was very impressed with the place. The whole system seems to work very well and the commitment of the staff is second to none.
    The problem, as I saw it, was the numbers of people in medical wards who shouldn't be there, i.e. geriatric and psychiatric cases. This is the result of decisions taken at HSE level and not at WGH.
    I don't know anything about Seamus O'Brien but if his criticisms of WGH are aimed at the administration or medical staff then they are unfounded. If he has specific knowledge of mismanagement at WGH I would defend his right to bring it to public attention and not to be victimised for it, if however it is just mischief making then WGH should have no difficulty in showing it to be so and should be bringing it to public attention in their own right.


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    #72
    bmaxi
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Interesting to see that Mick Wallace is massively ahead on the Boards.ie election poll with 29% of the votes cast going to him - more than twice the number that Howlin has. Sadly come election day 'country' people tend to revert to tribal lines and vote the way that mammy and daddy always did.

    To be honest, I can't see a reason why anyone should vote for Mick Wallace. I don't know the guy but I know of him and apart from being manager of Wexford Youths and IMO, a failed businessman, I can't see any earthly reason why people think he would be a suitable TD.
    Having said that, I can't see any good reason why the rest of the candidates should be considered suitable TD's either but I just don't get the Wallace thing.


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    #73
    Judgement Day
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    To be honest, I can't see a reason why anyone should vote for Mick Wallace. I don't know the guy but I know of him and apart from being manager of Wexford Youths and IMO, a failed businessman, I can't see any earthly reason why people think he would be a suitable TD.
    Having said that, I can't see any good reason why the rest of the candidates should be considered suitable TD's either but I just don't get the Wallace thing.

    At least he is 'a failed business man' and the man who never made a mistake never made anything. How many of our politicians are businessmen or who could make it in the private sector? I'm not related to Mick Wallace, never met him and his politics are too left wing and anti-American for me but I'm grateful that he has decided to stand otherwise I would be disenfranchised. :D


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    #74
    effemall
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    . Sadly come election day 'country' people tend to revert to tribal lines and vote the way that mammy and daddy always did.]


    i come from the country and so do all my friends and i dont know any of them voting along family lines.


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    #75
    Judgement Day
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    effemall wrote: »
    . Sadly come election day 'country' people tend to revert to tribal lines and vote the way that mammy and daddy always did.]


    i come from the country and so do all my friends and i dont know any of them voting along family lines.

    That's refreshing to hear but I'll believe it when I see it i.e. after the votes are counted.


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    #76
    effemall
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    can someone explain to me please. When responding to someones post how do you put their quote into a box. And please no big technical words, i know little about computers


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    #77
    St Senan
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    If you look at there post in the right hand corner you will see a Quote button. Just press it


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    #78
    effemall
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    scaller wrote: »
    If you look at there post in the right hand corner you will see a Quote button. Just press it

    thank you


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    #79
    Lyanna
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Lyanna - I agree with your point about country before county but it is the voters of County Wexford who will vote in Howlin and I want to know why. :)
    Fair enough then :). As for why, he's our highest profile Labour candidate and Labour are going to seriously strengthen their position in the next Dáil. That's probably reason enough for him to be on 15%.


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    #80
    Mahatma coat
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    Lyanna wrote: »
    Fair enough then :). As for why, he's our highest profile Labour candidate and Labour are going to seriously strengthen their position in the next Dáil. That's probably reason enough for him to be on 15%.

    Can you see how this is a Retarded Circular argument. Basicly the argument is he's on top because People think He'll be on top:confused:

    vote for Mick Wallace


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    #81
    HeavyRunner
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Can you see how this is a Retarded Circular argument. Basicly the argument is he's on top because People think He'll be on top:confused:

    vote for Mick Wallace

    If you vote for Mick Wallace you are only getting one third representation. He has stated he is going to continue to run his businesses and to manage his Wexford youth teams. From what I have heard he a very hands on manager and doesn't like to delegate. Where is he going to get the time and we need a full time TD.


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    #82
    Judgement Day
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    HeavyRunner - what does a 'full-time' TD do apart from attend funerals, fill out expenses claims and make sure that they get re-elected?


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    #83
    Mahatma coat
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    Ah they 'fix' Plannin applications and Make speeches here and there too ;)


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    #84
    bmaxi
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Ah they 'fix' Plannin applications and Make speeches here and there too ;)

    Slightly off topic but a good read, (or listen, I have them on audiobook) are Michael Moore's "Dude, where's my country?" and "Stupid White Men". They give, OK the author's personal, insight as to how the political system works in the U.S.
    The political system here is almost a mirror image and Moore points out how situations have been contrived to produce situations where the people at the top gain at the expense of those at the bottom and how democracy is manipulated to suit those in Government and their cronies. Ring any bells?
    Ok, Moore is a controversial figure and like all statistics they can be slanted but they give pause for thought given all that has happened, home and abroad, over the last twenty years.


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    #85
    HeavyRunner
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    HeavyRunner - what does a 'full-time' TD do apart from attend funerals, fill out expenses claims and make sure that they get re-elected?

    What's wrong with wanting my TD to be able to give 100% of their time to the job.


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    #86
    bmaxi
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    HeavyRunner wrote: »
    What's wrong with wanting my TD to be able to give 100% of their time to the job.

    Ever watch Dáil TV and ask where is everybody? The answer they'll give is "attending to constituency commitments". That's TD speak for attending funerals and the like. That's not what we elect TDs for but because of parish pump politics, that's what we get.
    We elect councillors for the same constituencies and pay them salaries and expenses and yet the TDs are doing what they should be doing.


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    #87
    Judgement Day
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    HeavyRunner wrote: »
    What's wrong with wanting my TD to be able to give 100% of their time to the job.

    Would that be like John Browne who spends most of his time in O'Brien's Sandwich Bar. :rolleyes:


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    #88
    HeavyRunner
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Would that be like John Browne who spends most of his time in O'Brien's Sandwich Bar. :rolleyes:

    I suppose. Like Mick Wallace spending most of his time in Peter Marks hairdressers.


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    #89
    effemall
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    I had Liam Twomeys canvassers around today and they're claiming that Mick Wallace will join FF if he gets elected. And I hadn't even mentioned his name when they said this.


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    #90
    Judgement Day
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    effemall wrote: »
    I had Liam Twomeys canvassers around today and they're claiming that Mick Wallace will join FF if he gets elected. And I hadn't even mentioned his name when they said this.

    What's your point? Do you believe them? I don't. Give the man some bit of credibility for God's sake.


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    #91
    effemall
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    What's your point? Do you believe them? I don't. Give the man some bit of credibility for God's sake.


    Of course I dont believe them. I was surprised that they would use it as some kind of scare tactic when theres obviously no truth to it at all


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