Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

x in the city

4 and 5 years, lol

what a farce, Ireland is ****ed up totally.

Them little scumbags should be lined up agaisnt a wall with a bag over their head and a nice big SUV should be rammed into them nice and fast.

ytareh

Mister men wrote: »

Fella in my neighbourhoods daughter (9 year old) got knocked down by a drunken driver there few years back. The idiot mounted the path and hit her side on leaving her with serious injuries but thankfully alive. She was in and out of the hospital for months in terrible pain. The driver will be in and out of the hospital for the rest of his life because of what the girls auld fella did to him when he caught up with him. I don't blame him one little bit when you see what's going on in the courthouses of our nation.

What happened the girl's father ?

galwayrush

Hmm, so they didn't intend to kill him, why did they attack him in such a savage way? Surely that intent alone warranted a more severe sentence.
Some Judges are really stupid, did this one not take into consideration the amount of previous convictions the 2 scumbags had?

Reminds me of another Judge with blood on their hands, the bastard who raped and killed the 17 year old Swiss student in Galway had previous convictions, and had been arrested in connection of the rape of a French student a few days before hand. The Judge in question , despite the Garda's protests allowed the scumbag out on bail, and sadly we know what happened as a result.

Augmerson

Life is what they should have gotten. If those things had gotten longer sentences for atleast half of the crimes they committed, they would not have been out on the street killing innocent people. Why did they Judge give such a lenient sentence? Jesus if I had some of those headshop drugs on me and got caught I'd get 8 years outright...WTF?!

enfant terrible

snyper wrote: »

Sack the Judge. Cool.

Then give them life.

Then have the case taken to a higher court and brought back down to the original sentance because the evidance proved manslaughter not Murder.

The law is tested with every case thats taken, these are the parameters he as a judge had to deal with.


It tastes bad, but thats that.

Im angry, but the law and its parameters are the wat they are for a reason, ironically to protect the innocent. As i said its the length of time they get in jail that is ****ty, but that takes law reform. Judge afaik cant do it

Sounds like we don't need judges if their hand are completely tied.

Mister men

ytareh wrote: »

What happened the girl's father ?

Nowt.

Terry

zerks wrote: »

The human rights advocates would be crying in the streets if they were jailed for life,we should have a 3 Strikes policy in the country for certain crimes and take the scum off the streets.No thought of the victims human rights when he was being kicked to death on the street.:mad:
Something similar happened down my way and nobody was convicted even though the dogs in the street knew who did it and the truth over what happened.

They're the real problem when it comes to sentencing criminals in this country.

Merzbow

I suppose it is "societys" fault they killed him :rolleyes: Seriously no matter how left-wing or liberal you are, can anyone even remotely justify these sentences

vintac34

What we need in this now bankrupt country is JUSTICE, simple plain justice!!!!
What we get is LAW and greedy overpaid lawyers poncing/performing posing around in wigs and black skirts laden down with books full of stupid precedents using every possible loophole to keep criminals out of jail where they belong...
Huge gravytrain,i.e 13yr tribunal probably with end result as in beef tribunal=nil!
Give more power and make more use of jury based courts and allow them hand down the jail term..Take the power from the doddery old politically appointed leeches and
tell the lawyers to stick their books where the sun never shines....
Give us JUSTICE not bloddy law!!!!

nlgbbbblth

I thought it was only middle class / upper class / rich people that got light sentences for manslaughter.

Oh wait....:rolleyes:

Precious flower

It's disgraceful, what they did was just brutal savagery, just looking for a fight and his poor girlfriend was with him when it happened imagine having to watch that, Jesus.:(

Misanthrope

angelfire9 wrote: »

They were not convicted of murder it was manslaughter

If the victim was your father,would you feel the need for a pedantic legal clarification.

It's manslaughter to the team of scumbag lawyers defending Mr 64 convitions.

To the victims family and anyone who wishes for a decent society it's murder.

CrazyRabbit

ScienceNerd wrote: »

What is the maximum sentence for manslaughter does anyone know?

About 10 years less than what it should be.

ShamoBuc

Social welfare fraudster gets 18 months - kick a fella to death add a couple of years -go figure.

Little Acorn

drkpower wrote: »

Manslaughter is essentially unlawful killing without an intention to kill. But it can still attract a life sentence and it beggars belief that these two guys with serious prior convictions, one of whom kicked the guy in the head while unconcious, could have escaped a higher sentence.

Exactly. You can get sentenced to life even for manslaughter in Ireland.
[off the top of my head I know the fella who killed melissa mahon got life for manslaughter], so I don't know why they got such little jail time.

yizorselves

Some amount of scum in this country.

Drink, drugs and being dragged up

Terry

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I thought it was only middle class / upper class / rich people that got light sentences for manslaughter.

Oh wait....:rolleyes:

Nah, they just got to their teachers in Blackrock college, say how bad they feel and then walk away scot free.

Little Acorn

Terry wrote: »

Nah, they just got to their teachers in Blackrock college, say how bad they feel and then walk away scot free.

If I remember correctly, some of those guys went to speak to their principal and got a letter from him, BEFORE going to the guards. I think it was in that documentary about it.

charlemont

Its a disgrace, there was no history between the parties either so for a stranger to end up dead and his attackers to only get charged with manslaughter and receive useless sentences, its crazy.

Yet look at the guy in another part of Clare today and contrast the difference in the murder charge and sentence..

GLaDOS

Merzbow wrote: »

I suppose it is "societys" fault they killed him :rolleyes: Seriously no matter how left-wing or liberal you are, can anyone even remotely justify these sentences

I was wondering when the aimless liberal bashing would arrive

angelfire9

bigpink wrote: »

Its murder.Its nice of you to stick up for the scum

Not sticking up for anyone just stating facts

Pembily wrote: »

They are scum bags, this is very well know around the area and Brian was kicked and brutally beaten and he couldn't fight back and he wasn't a fighter anyway!!! He was a nice guy and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time!!!

Ennis is gone so sh!tty and scary lately, pure knacker hole, it is just shocking!!! It was murder as they went out with the intention of causing harm and hurt (the victim didn't matter)- therefore it was MURDER!!!!

So sad, another tragedy of our justice system!!! The judge followed the law - if he had given them longer sentences they would have appealed and used free legal aid to probaly get off scott free :mad::mad:

I presume you are from clare? As am I
I didn't know of the Dinan's before this case as it happens

As for it being murder they were not found to have the "mens rea" for murder "guilty intent" only manslaughter

medicman2009 wrote: »

A) Victim is struck by a punch, falls to the pavement striking his head = Manslaughter, his death was unintentional.

Victim lies unconscious and helpless on the ground, where he is then viciously attacked again. = Murder, the attacker demonstrated clear and obvious willful intent to cause further serious harm to his defencless victim.

Unfortunately, quite often the law and the judiciary dont' do cop on! These scum will serve half their sentence at best. In fact, I often think the bigger your criminal record is, the more rights you seem to have in this country.

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

charlemont wrote: »

Its a disgrace, there was no history between the parties either so for a stranger to end up dead and his attackers to only get charged with manslaughter and receive useless sentences, its crazy.

Yet look at the guy in another part of Clare today and contrast the difference in the murder charge and sentence..

I assume you are referring to Lesley Kenny in Kilrush?
Different kettle of fish, the accused reloaded the shotgun that shows intent to kill
If he only wanted to injure the first 2 shots were enough

amacachi

uberwolf wrote: »

presumably they couldn't prove premeditation. As in that they intended to kill that particular person, and planned their attack with that outcome in mind.

Kicking someone in the head when they're on the ground is pre-meditation as far as I'm concerned.

angelfire9 wrote: »

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

In that case the prosecution should just argue that it makes no sense that Chewbacca lives on Endor. He's a Wookie from Kashyyyk yet he lives on Endor surrounded by 2 foot tall Ewoks. That does not make sense. Therefore they should get life in prison.

Pet

Sounds like a case for Dexter...

yizorselves

The law is a big hairy sweaty ass on this one.

Intending to seriously hurt someone and then they end up dead should be treated as murder.

Lets say I only intend to break a guys neck causing him to be paralysed. But he ends up dead. By law I shouldnt get done for murder because all I intended to do was leave the chap in a wheelchair. Punching and kicking an unconscious person in the head is a sure way to cause severe brain damage or death.

Fvck the law on this bring in vigilante groups and take out the vermin.

marxcoo

Second degree murder.... except it doesn't exist here. Think the sentencing is generally 10-25 years.
This case is technically manslaughter but I think manslaughter incorporates far too much.

Predalien

angelfire9 wrote: »

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

The intent requirement for murder is an intent to kill or an intent to cause serious injury, I don't see why this attack shouldn't be seen as murder.

aDeener

snyper wrote: »

Sack the Judge. Cool.

Then give them life.

Then have the case taken to a higher court and brought back down to the original sentance because the evidance proved manslaughter not Murder.

The law is tested with every case thats taken, these are the parameters he as a judge had to deal with.


It tastes bad, but thats that.

Im angry, but the law and its parameters are the wat they are for a reason, ironically to protect the innocent. As i said its the length of time they get in jail that is ****ty, but that takes law reform. Judge afaik cant do it

and by god is that what is badly badly needed here.

aDeener

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I was wondering when the aimless liberal bashing would arrive

and it didnt arrive with the post you quoted :rolleyes:

TheBunk1

Absolute disgrace, but sadly it's the norm in this country so I don't know why we are really surprised. Making matters worse one of these animals was out on bail for another offence and the other guy was on parole ( I'm open to correction on this). They'll probably serve 2-3 years and be free to beat some other innocent guy to death.

charlemont

Harry himself is a picture of scum, coated in cheap indian ink tattoos, with a Nike logo tattoo on his neck, some neck allright...

Several years back Harry shared a prison cell with another young fool whos case made headlines in 2000, John Tangney of Killarney who was jailed for knocking down and killing a man on a scooter...

DOC09UNAM

And people complain about other's leaving this country?

It's a fúcking joke, the economy is fúcked, the judicial system is fúcked, the banks are fúcked, the weather is shít, the social aspect of the country is fúcked, almost everything in this country is fúcked, even the educational system.


If I didn't have family and friends here, I would be gone tomorrow.

angelfire9

Misanthrope wrote: »

If the victim was your father,would you feel the need for a pedantic legal clarification.

It's manslaughter to the team of scumbag lawyers defending Mr 64 convitions.

To the victims family and anyone who wishes for a decent society it's murder.

There was insufficient evidence for a manslaughter conviction whether we like it or not that is the fact of the matter

Spouting hyperbole about it is not going to change the facts

As for the "scumbag lawyers" again whether we like it or not every accused is entitled to a reasonable defence

I would like to think that I would count among those that wish for a decent society
I'm the daughter of a cop and the wife of a cop so I listen to moans & complaints about the legal system every day of the week

BUT at the moment the system we have is the one that we have to live with

If it makes anyone feel any better there is supposed to be a judicial review of our sentencing for murder/manslaughter to bring us in line with the US model which allows for degrees of murder

bigpink

Justice for Brian Casey RIP
Please email story link and outline your disgust at the sentence plus the need of law reform in Ireland to as many public reps you can good people of boards.ie

These guys are murderers nothing less

Raiser

Says here the Judge involved was Carroll Moran - In my opinion lots of unbelievable Newspaper articles seem to feature his name towards the end of the text......

- What message does it send out to the rest of the Scumbags? Kill People on our Streets and we'll give you a dainty little smack on your wrists?

bigpink

His name and Judge Tom o Donnell seem to crop up alot in Limerick for very light sentences and in some cases none at all

FatherLen

Harry Dinan, who has 64 previous convictions

should be hung, not jailed for five years

bigpink

Can anyone give me ideas of people that could be emailed this link

Bottle_of_Smoke

This is horrific. Does anyone know much about the case? Given one guy on temporary release and the other on bail why was the judge so leniant?

I don't want a liberal bashing answer, was it made out to be an accident or something?

bigpink

Would be interesting to see the any cctv of the event?
Is there anywhere you could get any public records of the court case etc?

bigpink

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1108/caseyb.html#video

Watch their big scummy smug heads coming out of the court,hopfully they hang themselves or overdose on drugs while locked up out of guilt

Raiser

bigpink wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1108/caseyb.html#video

Watch their big scummy smug heads coming out of the court,hopfully they hang themselves or overdose on drugs while locked up out of guilt

Why would they feel guilty?

- Society has told them they're grand via our Justice System, right now there's some greedy, conscienceless Barrister paid for by you and me who is diligently explaining to this Scum how they can qualify for early release and knock years off these tiny sentences.....

bigpink

Prob not but still hope they might hang themselves or overdose

Sofa King Great

bigpink wrote: »

Prob not but still hope they might hang themselves or overdose

You sound like a lovely person

ClutchIt

Oh my God this shít boils my blood. I honestly would love to see corporal punishment re-introduced. And capital punishment. Not because I believe capital punishment would deter criminals or make anyone feel better, but simply because it's the only way to gaurantee this scum won't re-offend.

Failing all that, can we please do something about these WIMP FÚCKING SENTENCES

bigpink

Sofa King Great wrote: »

You sound like a lovely person

This crime doesnt make you sick,they KILLED a young man for no REASON

gimme5minutes

5 years means he will be out in about 4.

ClutchIt

Sofa King Great wrote: »

You sound like a lovely person

Well if they don't hang themselves or overdose, then in 3 or 4 years they'll be out robbing and murdering people again. Imagine the victims family ever having to see their faces walking the streets? So ya, give those scummers a fúcking rope and forcefeed them paracetemol I say.

Sofa King Great

bigpink wrote: »

This crime doesnt make you sick,they KILLED a young man for no REASON

Does you wishing them dead make you any better than they are?

Don't get me wrong, I think the sentances are a joke. Often times judges aren't even handing down the mandatory sentences for certain offences and this need s to be changed. It should not be possible for someone with 50 or more convictions to be walking the streets unless they are very very old and have served about 50 years.

bigpink

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Does you wishing them dead make you any better than they are?

Don't get me wrong, I think the sentances are a joke. Often times judges aren't even handing down the mandatory sentences for certain offences and this need s to be changed. It should not be possible for someone with 50 or more convictions to be walking the streets unless they are very very old and have served about 50 years.

I havent killed a person or commited lots of crimes,if they were law abiding i wouldnt wish them dead

wildlifeboy

If I am driving home on a saturday night and someone drunk falls out in front of me and i kill them should i get twenty years for manslaughter?. I am not defending the terms they got but you cant just dole out 20 - 30 years for manslaughter. their previous convictions should have come into play here and added on to the manslaughter charge.