The Walking Dead Episode Discussion - SPOILERS ABOUND!

Mahatma coat

Ah but, Jenner had at his disposal;
the CDC Mainframe computer, a machine capable of runin every test known to man on a sample group of 10,000 people in less than 24 hours, a Dozen vagrants wouldnt have even taxed tha RAM capacity of the machine, they werent in the local hospital in Kentucky, they were at the nerve centre, the pinnacle if you will, of modern medical science, the machine Tests for EVERYTHING, its the only way.
Do you not watch House?????

AndyKiely

If he was some sort of a carrier, I don't think that Jenner would have been so calm about it after getting them all to do a blood test.

If there was a hint that we had the disease in him he would have probably locked him up or whatever he would do to one or he would have told another member of the crew, he wouldn't have told Rick of all people that he is a carrier.

I would have to imagine that it is the pregnancy theory. Seems the most likely, especially seeing as Lori and Shane had a thing before Rick got back.

Dan_Solo

AndyKiely wrote: »

If he was some sort of a carrier, I don't think that Jenner would have been so calm about it after getting them all to do a blood test.

If there was a hint that we had the disease in him he would have probably locked him up or whatever he would do to one or he would have told another member of the crew, he wouldn't have told Rick of all people that he is a carrier.

You do have to remember he was planning on incinerating them all anyway and had pretty much given up on finding a cure...

AndyKiely

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You do have to remember he was planning on incinerating them all anyway and had pretty much given up on finding a cure...

That's true. I don't get what the point would be of just telling the carrier though. Surely he would have told the people that would have been in danger

Ginja Ninja

Someone's got aids/STI

It'd be an interesting twist,seeing how it'd work out in a zombified world.

I seriously doubt the "he's a carrier" thing.So far the show has been quite logical[ignoring the zombies obviously] I think the viral immunity thing is a bit too clichéd and to scifi. Also,Jenner said they don't know if its bacterial or viral or what causes it[Which is Bullsh!t] how could the CDC not know what caused it,if anyone would know it'd be them.

Dan_Solo

Ginja Ninja wrote: »

I seriously doubt the "he's a carrier" thing.So far the show has been quite logical[ignoring the zombies obviously] I think the viral immunity thing is a bit too clichéd and to scifi. Also,Jenner said they don't know if its bacterial or viral or what causes it[Which is Bullsh!t] how could the CDC not know what caused it,if anyone would know it'd be them.

How can they do a blood test for something when they don't know the cause?

conor.hogan.2

Epic show - they better bring back rooker man is badass.

Otherwise epicness, really cant fault it I will actually watch the episodes again and maybe again on dvd to tide me over until season 2 as SGU was cancelled.

The zombies run on instinct - climbing to get to food is an instinct, cracking the glass open with a rock is an instinct.

Hell even using a gun I couldnt fault really, desperation is the mother of all innovation (obv adapted the phrase) so it wouldnt be crazy to allow the zombies to do it.

mexicanvader

As far as I see it, the walking dead are the survivors themselves, not the zombies. I think the comic gave the impression that the virus has infected everyone, including Rick and his group, and it's not until they die that the infection takes over the brain and they return as undead. Having the virus doesn't kill them, but being bitten causes major infection leading to high fever and eventual death. So I think that Jenner tells Rick that either Lori is pregnant, or that the virus is present in all their blood.

ladypip

Unless they spin off wildly form he comic plot she is defiantly pregnant, i like the idea that Jenner tells him they are all infected.

RiderOnTheStorm

mexicanvader wrote: »

...I think the comic gave the impression that the virus has infected everyone, including Rick and his group, and it's not until they die that the infection takes over ...

OH that would be a cool twist. So everyone is a walking time bomb? Imagine being on the inside of some compund / defence position, and then one or more of your buddies dies? Now the Z's are on the inside!!

Great show.... when is the 2nd season being shown on this side of the world?

Tallon

October

luketitz

Apparently, many of the cast are killed off for the new season, which is quite refreshing imho, and Merle is not the Governor, as previously suggested - http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31175

DakotaYoda

Sweet catch luketitz - I had not seen any of that news. Thanks!!!!

left_behind

July premier
hope its true

Grizzly 45

Watched the whole lot online.Just hope season 2 is alot better.There are major clangers all over each episode.Technical errors,tactical errors,basic common sense errors,and just downright unbeliveable errors.

The best had to be the end ,blowing up the CDC..Fuel air bombs that concentrate only in a building ,where Time seems to warp so everyone can get out???:rolleyes:. A fuel air bomb is the most powerful NON nucelar bomb on the planet,but acts exactly like a nuke bar the fallout.
Going by where they were parked in their vechicles and where the old guy and the suicidal blonde[forgot their forgettable names] jumped behind the sand bags,about as much protection at that distance as holding up a white sheet at a nuke ground Zero... those cars and trucks would have been blown at least 100 meters down the road,and everyone would be suffering ruptured lungs and ear drums from blast overpressure.

Killing Zs with a crossbow,and the countryside is littered with military grade hardware??Driving POS vechicles with issues and there are abandoned milspec Humvees all over the place???:rolleyes:

Ok giving leeway for artistic liscense,I still feel this could be improved on
100% Is the comic book any better??

Dan_Solo

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A fuel air bomb is the most powerful NON nucelar bomb on the planet,but acts exactly like a nuke bar the fallout.

That would depend entirely on how big the bomb is, wouldn't it?

Grizzly 45

Fuel-Air Explosives [FAE] disperse an aerosol cloud of fuel which is ignited by an embedded detonator to produce an explosion. The rapidly expanding wave front due to overpressure flattens all objects within close proximity of the epicenter of the aerosol fuel cloud, and produces debilitating damage well beyond the flattened area. The main destructive force of FAE is high overpressure, useful against soft targets such as minefields, armored vehicles, aircraft parked in the open, and bunkers.


Payload or actual physical size??Well watch the last ten mins of Outbreak
That gives you a good impression of the size of one of these things
[In actuality they modelled it in outbreak on a Daisy cutter bomb,that is not a fuel air bomb,but is used like one]

So going by the above description it might have been great to flatten the CDC,but it would have been useless to destroy all those other nasty diseases the doc was on about.Taking into account CDC Atlanta is just not one entire building,but a complex of buildings.It would have to be a very big bomb or multiple bombs in the other buildings as well.Were this the case in real life,why not simply put a sub atomic demolition munition [SADAM:cool:] or suitcase bomb in the building and be assured of the job with a few million degrees farenheit in a microsecond? They are alot easier to hide and could have been rigged into that crazy final solution security system.
Either ,or, the survivors of that explosion would be in a world of serious hurt.

Lebus

Goodoak wrote: »

No she woke up in the bedroom of a large house that had been constructed underground by the umbrella corp.

The house wasnt underground it was the entrance 2 the hive & Alice woke up on the floor of the shower i think,also think Alice woke up in the second movie in a medical facility. If im wrong pls xcuse me but i dont think i am

BigDuffman

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Killing Zs with a crossbow,and the countryside is littered with military grade hardware??Driving POS vechicles with issues and there are abandoned milspec Humvees all over the place???:rolleyes:

This annoyed me too, he was willing to go back into an infested city and run through a mob of Z's, yet on the way to the CDC they casually stroll through a blockade with an abundance of military equipment lying around!!

DakotaYoda

BigDuffman wrote: »

This annoyed me too, he was willing to go back into an infested city and run through a mob of Z's, yet on the way to the CDC they casually stroll through a blockade with an abundance of military equipment lying around!!

I would suggest the crossbow is a great weapon for how they were surviving. They tried to attract as little attention as possible. Guns make noise. Crossbows don't.

As for the military hardware - he ran back into the city to get the bag of guns as they really didn't have much for other firearms and the CDC hardware was quite a ways down the road... and how long had that stuff been sitting out and how many of the group had any training or knowledge for how to use the stuff? I'll admit it did seem odd to see all the gear about. But I can sure understand how/why they weren't using it.

Lebus

Just started 2 watch the walking dead and y didnt any1 tell me about it earlier now i gotta go out & get the box set;)
Gotta say it rocks:D

Kess73

Lebus wrote: »

Just started 2 watch the walking dead and y didnt any1 tell me about it earlier now i gotta go out & get the box set
Gotta say it rocks:D

It comes on on blu ray next month in Ireland.

Grizzly 45

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QUOTE=DakotaYoda;71431125]I would suggest the crossbow is a great weapon for how they were surviving. They tried to attract as little attention as possible. Guns make noise. Crossbows don't.

In actuality they are quite noisy yokes.While not as noisy as a gun,they do make an audible KA SPROING! sound and have more serious drawbacks,one being its ammo,namely the bolts.Any slight bend or kink in the vanes or the shaft and they will go anywhere ,but the target.They are virtually impossible to hand make as they are so High low tech with modern components.Not to mind a silenced .22 pistol would be more effective and efficent and manouverable for those quiet moments:pac:

As for the military hardware - he ran back into the city to get the bag of guns as they really didn't have much for other firearms and the CDC hardware was quite a ways down the road... and how long had that stuff been sitting out and how many of the group had any training or knowledge for how to use the stuff? I'll admit it did seem odd to see all the gear about. But I can sure understand how/why they weren't using it.

Its odd,considering that this in the USA,and there is over est 300 million plus firearms of all types,you would think a basic bit of rummaging or looting of a gunshop or house would sort out a lot of these problems.TBH milspec hardware is well capable of taking more abuse that would leave civvie spec stuff choking junk.Estimating since the outbreak of 3to 4 months from the story line,depending on the time of year[looks likeSpring/ Summer] the stuff would still be very serviceable.Maybe a bit surface rusty,but nothing serious. You would have to leave it exposed for about two years before things started breaking down.

Lets see two deputies from a Sherriffs dept,where the M16 is pretty much a standard weapon in SWAT/LE circles..Most of the US LEO pouplation has previous military experiance in some shape or form ,and would be checked out on the M16 and other weaponary.......:) Nor is it a very difficult gun to operate or service,as is most of the military hardware worldwide that goes bang,and is used by the average ground pounder.

BigDuffman

As Grizzly has pointed out the US has an abundance of weaponry available to the civi population.

Also in my experience anyone that has ever played a video game or watched an action film is familiar with the operation of a weapon. Weapons are also made to be intuitive. People know the trigger makes the gun go boom. People know which end the bullets come out. People also know that when you pick up a pistol you cock the top slide!

Some experimentation will mean that magazine release and safety catches will become evident. So most people should be able to effectively point and shoot a weapon in mere minutes. Obviously understanding the weapon mechanism and stripping down and cleaning will not be immediately obvious without instruction. So theres no reason that all survivors should not be seriously tooled up.

DakotaYoda

Bringing this thread back so we don't have to all use the spoiler tags to discuss the show - the thread title spells it out so spoil away my lovelies... :pac::pac::pac:

Tallon

Is it just me, or are they getting dumber and dumber?

Also, I think watching the teaser ruined the whole episode for me

ChaseThisLight

Tallon wrote: »

Is it just me, or are they getting dumber and dumber?

Also, I think watching the teaser ruined the whole episode for me

They, as in the characters? Or the writers?

And yeah, watching the teaser gave away a lot about the opener, but myself, I didn't feel like it ruined anything. I loved watching it unfold, seeing the panic and the fear, and how they looked out for each other - especially Daryl with T-Dog; I really thought for sure T-Dog was going to die.

Tallon

The characters... It boils my blood when I see people being so stupid in emergency situations

ChaseThisLight

Tallon wrote: »

The characters... It boils my blood when I see people being so stupid in emergency situations

Ah, yeah...I can think of a few instances where some of them were surprisingly stupid. The biggest one in my mind was Andrea in the camper with the gun. Nevermind that she was making a mess of putting the gun back together and making noise in doing so - the fact alone that she would have used the gun made me question how smart she is.

DakotaYoda

ChaseThisLight wrote: »

Ah, yeah...I can think of a few instances where some of them were surprisingly stupid. The biggest one in my mind was Andrea in the camper with the gun. Nevermind that she was making a mess of putting the gun back together and making noise in doing so - the fact alone that she would have used the gun made me question how smart she is.

I was wondering wtf she was doing in the camper while everyone else was out DOING something productive for the group - unless she was that bent of offing herself.

ChaseThisLight

DakotaYoda wrote: »

I was wondering wtf she was doing in the camper while everyone else was out DOING something productive for the group - unless she was that bent of offing herself.

Right? She was very uppity and had the worst attitude about everything. And I get part of it - I get what she said to Dale, and understand and agree with how she feels about having that choice taken away from her - but it felt to me like her attitude was extreme.

I'm glad they wouldn't let her have her gun back though - and I'm thinking Dale's reasoning wasn't so much just that he was afraid she'd kill herself, but that he was afraid she'd get the rest of them killed.

silvine

Anyone else thInk T-dog's wound looked fatal and was then quickly forgotten about?

ScumLord

One part that was a bit stupid was the horde coming on them,

they're looking down the road with binoculars, yeah it's all clear... wait no there's millions of them everywhere.

The wide camera pan just made it look worse as it makes it look like they would have been clearly visible the whole time.

Maybe Americans really are that blinkered and dozy. It happens a lot in American cinema.

Tallon

silvine wrote: »

Anyone else thInk T-dog's wound looked fatal and was then quickly forgotten about?

At one stage he passed out pretty much from the loss... Then he was covered with a zombie?!!

Surely his blood mixed?

Tallon

ScumLord wrote: »

One part that was a bit stupid was the horde coming on them,

they're looking down the road with binoculars, yeah it's all clear... wait no there's millions of them everywhere.

The wide camera pan just made it look worse as it makes it look like they would have been clearly visible the whole time.

Maybe Americans really are that blinkered and dozy. It happens a lot in American cinema.

They would have fúcking drove past them!

Also, why did they try hide? wtf. Get in a car or something

ChaseThisLight

ScumLord wrote: »

One part that was a bit stupid was the horde coming on them,

they're looking down the road with binoculars, yeah it's all clear... wait no there's millions of them everywhere.

The wide camera pan just made it look worse as it makes it look like they would have been clearly visible the whole time.

Maybe Americans really are that blinkered and dozy. It happens a lot in American cinema.

There weren't millions of them...they called it a herd, which I took to mean - and saw - as a smaller bunch of Walkers, as opposed to how many they had seen together in Atlanta.

And I can't speak for most American's, but I'm certainly not blinkered or dozy.

Tallon wrote: »

At one stage he passed out pretty much from the loss... Then he was covered with a zombie?!!

Surely his blood mixed?

I thought the same thing! I mean, smart thinking of Daryl, but T-Dog obviously had an open wound and he throws the zombie on him? So I expected there to be some discussion on how he could be infected - but nothing. Hell, he was up and walking around as if it were just a nick and he'd not lost any blood.

Tallon wrote: »

They would have fúcking drove past them!

Also, why did they try hide? wtf. Get in a car or something

Not necessarily. Who knows where the herd came from? They could have come out of the woods on either side of the road, or off any number of access roads off the highway, so they'd not have seen them when driving by.

I don't think hiding under the cars was a bad idea, but I certainly think T-Dog should have gotten into a car rather than try to hide beside one.

Micky Dolenz

*Covers eyes*

Gonna watch it now, hoping it is awesome.

doctor evil

I loved it! Just watched it a second time as last nights link wasn't great quality.

There is progression in the characters as well as weariness and exhaustion. Darly helped T-dog out, I thought the dead would have been a bit runny. Andrea killed a walker in a grizly way, I'm looking forward to when Carol kills one. She went a bit wacko when making sure Eddie could not resurrect.

The end was a surpise.

Micky Dolenz

I really liked it. It shows how fear can make you stupid. How the trained are far more collected then the untrained. Lessons to be learnt friends.

I don't think I'll watch anymore and then have a walking Dead feast in a few weeks .

ScumLord

ChaseThisLight wrote: »

There weren't millions of them...they called it a herd, which I took to mean - and saw - as a smaller bunch of Walkers, as opposed to how many they had seen together in Atlanta.

Millions was an exaggeration but they where looking off into the distance for zombies, then one comes around a corner and you think, ok their on their way they should start getting to go, but then the camera pans back and shows a massive horde right beside them, there was no way it could stay hidden up to that point. Watch it again, the zombies appear right beside them.

OutsiderAkuma

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I really liked it. It shows how fear can make you stupid. How the trained are far more collected then the untrained. Lessons to be learnt friends.

I don't think I'll watch anymore and then have a walking Dead feast in a few weeks .

You see, I would love to leave it a few weeks, come back to it and watch them all, cept I'm already craving the next one, plus I work as a tattoo apprentice/artist and so far everyday I've been tattooing people have been talking about it constantly! I wouldnt be able to tattoo someone, have them give me spoilers and ruin the show on me-I would end up wrecking there tattoo as vengeance lol but Mickey, I admire your patience!

ChaseThisLight

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I really liked it. It shows how fear can make you stupid. How the trained are far more collected then the untrained. Lessons to be learnt friends.

I don't think I'll watch anymore and then have a walking Dead feast in a few weeks .

You think you can resist not watching? I'm not so sure...

ScumLord wrote: »

Millions was an exaggeration but they where looking off into the distance for zombies, then one comes around a corner and you think, ok their on their way they should start getting to go, but then the camera pans back and shows a massive horde right beside them, there was no way it could stay hidden up to that point. Watch it again, the zombies appear right beside them.

Just re-watched that scene.

Saw what you meant about panning out to show how many there were, and you're right, they were almost right on top of them up to that point. I paused it when it panned out, and the majority of the herd is crossing the grassy median between the two lanes, so it looks like they came out of the woods on the opposite side of the highway, so it's plausible that the herd was out of sight to them until that moment - just chance that they happened to cross paths with them.

If you watch Dale though, he was on top of the camper with the binoculars, but he had his back to the direction they'd just come from - probably thinking stupidly that that direction was safest since they'd just traveled it - and was looking out in the direction where their people were scavenging. Only when he finally turned around to look behind them did he see the walkers; so ideally in a situation like that, two lookouts is best so you can have both directions covered.

It is curious though as to why the walkers are moving. It seemed like the ones in Rick's hometown stayed local, and there were even a few in Atlanta that just sort of sat down or laid down until food came by. So why are they now on the move and where are they going to?

doctor evil

ScumLord wrote: »

Millions was an exaggeration but they where looking off into the distance for zombies, then one comes around a corner and you think, ok their on their way they should start getting to go, but then the camera pans back and shows a massive horde right beside them, there was no way it could stay hidden up to that point. Watch it again, the zombies appear right beside them.

I think the height of the trucks/cars/baggage helped to shield the approaching herd. Some of them could have been flaking out in the wreckage and shuffled up when they heard the survivors approaching.

What are the zombies senses like? I get that their sight is not great but it seemed that their sense of smell was heightenned (sp) when the glen and the sheriff were rained on while wearing Zombie disguise.

What is their hearing like and how tactile are they.

doctor evil

ChaseThisLight wrote: »

So why are they now on the move and where are they going to?

Hunger I imagine. I think they mostly flake out during the day whiles its warm. I don't think they can regulate body temperature.

I wonder what kind of climate is best for dealing with zombies?

kowloon

doctor evil wrote: »

Hunger I imagine. I think they mostly flake out during the day whiles its warm. I don't think they can regulate body temperature.

I wonder what kind of climate is best for dealing with zombies?

With no blood circulation I'd imagine Arctic cold wouldn't do much for them/

ChaseThisLight

doctor evil wrote: »

Hunger I imagine. I think they mostly flake out during the day whiles its warm. I don't think they can regulate body temperature.

See, that's another thing - it has seemed like they are more active at night, they've shown that, they've talked about that, so what were they doing up walking during the day like that? I think what you said about hunger could be spot on in regards to that. The thing I question is, why do they not just wander aimlessly about? Is there a reason they're moving in a herd, or is it coincidental? (I'm probably over thinking this )

doctor evil

They probably follow the path of least resistance except for when they get a whiff of the living.

That post mortem scene was gack.

ScumLord

Really a moving horde wouldn't last long, all the zombies would be grinding their joints to dust and most would end up having to drag themselves around only speeding up the weathering process. The secret to a zombies longevity would be immobility until something passes near. If they're more or less immune to bacterial decomposition they could survive a long time by not moving until their prey is near by. Whether they'd have the ware withal to take advantage of that is another thing.

phill106

Well in the comics, hordes came about when zombies got interested in something (like a gunshot) and started heading in that direction. Other zombies also then followed, thinking they were going to feed.

ScumLord

It could be that the zombies where immobile and basically just stood up when they heard the group working. It would explain why they where so close before anyone noticed I guess.