Another €80 a month off me, property TAX !!

Biggins

€80 a month approx (€960 a year approx) extra on top of possibly water charges as well.
Jesus, seriously... where does the assholes in the Dail expect us all to come up with all this money?
Pull it all out of our ass each time? "...Blood from a stone!!!"
Fcukin' madness and if/when this such atrocious charge comes in, by god I'll fight it!

fatboypee

r3nu4l wrote: »

If you live in an area you should contribute to it's upkeep regardless of whether you are renting, an owner, or a mortgaged owner.

hahahahahahahahahaha sorry, tis funny... not your opinion, that is valid, but, you honestly think it would work that way here ? its TAX here, we will AGAIN get NOTHING for it.

The valuations placed upon houses will reflect up rather than down and simply put, in my view, it could well spell the end of the line for an awful lot of home owners (are you listening Mister CowenCoward???? Are you ?)

OutlawPete

Property Tax is disgusting.

People have already paid tax with the money they bought their homes with and they are being penalized by the Government for doing something positive with their hard earned money.

I don't own my own home by the way, before someone suggest that is why I have this opinion.

I feel the same about inheritance tax, that is somebody's possession at the end of the day and is Nobody's business who they leave it to, or indeed - transfer it to.

If you are a compulsive gambler, alcoholic or a junkie and waste the money you earn - the government cannot come along and demand some money from you based on what you chose to spend it on.

Which is precisely what property tax is.

If there are charges for water, social amenities and waste removal - so be it, let them charge these things, but just going cap in hand to home owners and demanding money every month because they bought a home, is nothing better than a protection racket.

mikom

r3nu4l wrote: »

If you live in an area you should contribute to it's upkeep regardless of whether you are renting, an owner, or a mortgaged owner.

This will be pissed into the banks black hole.
It's got nothing to do with the upkeep of areas.

noxqs

Sombody has to pay for all the foreigners living here Huge dole and free houses.

You do realize that most foreigners in Ireland are working right? Besides, if I became unemployed, I'd rather go back to Denmark where the dole is currently €495 per week.

The 80€ per month is not to pay for foreigners causing a deficit. You can thank the bankers and the government for that. That is a 100% Irish creation. But it is an interesting trend in opinion, given that, every single nation facing financial difficulties tend to get a right wing blaming others. You will find many like minded around in these times, good for you.

Anyways, property tax is the norm in the rest of the world. Most places 1% to 1.5% per year on the value of the property. Given the calculation example it seems to be around modest 0.45% rate. This wouldnt be so unfair if it hit equally, but landlords not paying on INVESTMENT PROPERTIES? What is that about? Unjustifiable.

Son Of A Vidic

Why don't they leave us with no income all together ffs! Lets reduce everyones disposable income even further and watch any potential growth plummet. Does this come as a surprise really? Considering it was these very economic 'geniuses' who landed us all in this sh1te!

cynder

Biggins wrote: »

€80 a month approx (€960 a year approx) extra on top of possibly water charges as well.
Jesus, seriously... where does the assholes in the Dail expect us all to come up with all this money?
Pull it all out of our ass each time? "...Blood from a stone!!!"
Fcukin' madness and if/when this such atrocious charge comes in, by god I'll fight it!

I'm with you, can we open a thread about, how to go about protesting? with constructive ideas (a boards rebellion)I will fight it too, If we have to pay that i should not have to pay bin or water charges, for **** sake our water had a boil notice for over 5 years.


Protest, protest, and more protests. Then perhaps they will get the message we are not pushovers.

sdanseo

Dr.Silly wrote: »

I don't know where to post this.

ROBBING, THIEVING, M*THER F*CKING govenerment..
who don't have a damn clue what they doing.

Each week a new figure is coming out on how much the country is in debt.
Home owners now face a fookin property tax, to raise another 1 Billion.

I give it another couple of months before this country is officially over 100 Billion in the **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO AWAY.

Sick to fúcking death of these monotonous, STUPID threads.

Merzbow

This is only fair if it's a percentage of house value, someone with a €5 million mansion in donnybrook shouldn't be paying the same €80/month as the people with a €300k semi-d in lucan

fatboypee

sdonn wrote: »

GO AWAY.

Sick to fúcking death of these monotonous, STUPID threads.

OK, I'll bite, as you clearly want / need an audience for your point of view.

If it's so stupid and monotonous, why take your valuable time and contribute to it ? You're angry at what exactly ?

mikom

noxqs wrote: »

Anyways, property tax is the norm in the rest of the world.

BAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAA!!
If I hear this line trotted out one more time, I think I'll turn into a sheep.
It's thinking like this that turned everybody into mocha frocha tocha cappachino drinking clones.

sdonn wrote: »

GO AWAY.

Sick to fúcking death of these monotonous, STUPID threads.

You'll be sicker when you witness the public disorder.

noxqs

What do you suggest to cover the deficits then? Its gotta come from somewhere, and it will affect someone. Most big revenue increases will come from everyones pockets and we will all complain about it and point at someone else to pay.

Slash someone elses salary, increase someone elses taxes and cut the other peoples benefits.

Well. I'd like a unicorn and a puppy.

logic

This is just a primer....they get everyone worked up over 80 euro a month but when they actually do officially set the rate it will be more like 30 a month or so. This will make it easier for everyone to accept. Either way we will just accept it like we always do.

mikom

noxqs wrote: »

Well. I'd like a unicorn .

If this government were to give you a unicorn it would more than likely be a knackers piebald with a cornetto taped to its head.

cynder

noxqs wrote: »

What do you suggest to cover the deficits then? Its gotta come from somewhere, and it will affect someone. Most big revenue increases will come from everyones pockets and we will all complain about it and point at someone else to pay.

Slash someone elses salary, increase someone elses taxes and cut the other peoples benefits.

Well. I'd like a unicorn and a puppy.

Well at least if they increase tax we know where we stand,

Brendog

Working hard in school to get into a good college to get into a good job. Saving for years to put a payment down for a house and when you finally get settled, your partner loses her job and you get 20% taken off your pay. Fortunately the government are nice enough to raise your property tax another €80 just incase you were thinking of saving to take a holiday.




Being a messer in school and dropping out of a ****ty secondary school. Not going to a college. Spending all day lying in bed, not even bothering looking for a job. Not doing a decent days work in your life and signing up for the dole. Get a corporation house for free, medical card for free and all other payments you aren't entitled too. and not getting taxed on the property you live in.....This is what thousands of people do but STILL the government insists on taking from the hard working people described above....FAIR!!

Dr.Silly

sdonn wrote: »

GO AWAY.

Sick to fúcking death of these monotonous, STUPID threads.

don't f*kin read it then .. it's not difficult is it...
so go away yourself with YOUR stupid post

cynder

They have a facebook group on it now,

Smash the Irish property tax before it is introduced

Hasnt really taken off yet. only 11 members!

found this facebook group too:
Why should I pay Irish Property Tax when I have already paid Stamp Duty

74 members (wonder if they are all boardies)

ejmaztec

grindelwald wrote: »

They have a facebook group on it now,

Smash the Irish property tax before it is introduced

Hasnt really taken off yet. only 12 members!

You can't hang the bastards on a facebook page.:(

Fags are Evil

When people hear of €6 bn cuts, do they just assume someone else will pay and not them?

Wakey wakey!

mikom

Fags are Evil wrote: »

When people hear of €6 bn cuts, do they just assume someone else will pay and not them?

Wakey wakey!

Cuts are not taxes.

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charlemont

just adds to more inflation, we should be trying to reduce prices yet this stupid tax will add to my rent personally and an added burden to those paying mortgages, its gone beyond a joke now...

galwayrush

If we mere mortals have to pay 80 euro( if we have it to spare of course)on our dwindling incomes, perhaps the likes of Cowen, Lenehin and co should pay a proportionate amount on their house and other taxes relative to their income, only fair to all share the pain equally...:rolleyes:

Fags are Evil

mikom wrote: »

Cuts are not taxes.

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:rolleyes:The 6bn is made up of cuts and tax increases -- my apologies for the technical referencing error.:rolleyes:

mikom

Fags are Evil wrote: »

:rolleyes:The 6bn is made up of cuts and tax increases -- my apologies for the technical referencing error.:rolleyes:

You're excused, but your rolleyes are not.

zeds alive

Just read this whole thread , my head hurts.

Fags are Evil

zeds alive wrote: »

Just read this whole thread , my head hurts.

Your bank account will also be hurting soon. :pac:

cynder

galwayrush wrote: »

If we mere mortals have to pay 80 euro( if we have it to spare of course)on our dwindling incomes, perhaps the likes of Cowen, Lenehin and co should pay a proportionate amount on their house and other taxes relative to their income, only fair to all share the pain equally...:rolleyes:

Got a feeling us mere mortals we be paying their property tax, probably in small print, it will say its covered in their expenses claims.

zeds alive

Fags are Evil wrote: »

Your bank account will also be hurting soon. :pac:

Will I have to pay property tax on a tent?

galwayrush

Fags are Evil wrote: »

Your bank account will also be hurting soon. :pac:

My Bank Account is in critical condition, survival chances extremely poor.

cynder

zeds alive wrote: »

Will I have to pay property tax on a tent?

Camp it outside the houses of cowen and co.

You will find they will bring in a new tax, tent tax.

CrazySka

noxqs wrote: »

You do realize that most foreigners in Ireland are working right? Besides, if I became unemployed, I'd rather go back to Denmark where the dole is currently €495 per week.

Screw this repetitive internet whinging, lets all go to Denmark, problem solved....

zeds alive

grindelwald wrote: »

Camp it outside the houses of cowen and co.

You will find they will bring in a new tax, tent tax.

Based on the amount of tent pegs you use , or will it be a flat tax so i'll be paying the same as the guy down the road with the 3man sleeper?

Oliver1985

Maybe cause im in an apartment block we will all split the 80euro between us a month :D:eek:

We are all fecked

MarkR

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

How exactly would that benefit the thousands of homeowners struggling to pay their bills at the minute? Will they get a refund of the stamp duty they've paid?

In the short term, no benefit at all. But it's quick fixes and short sightedness which got the country into this mess. If they do a property tax then there is a more stable, steady flow of income that doesn't artificially inflate house prices.

Daithi07

how will this tax be collected from us by the government? If the whole country refuse to pay it, what can the do? Lets all stick together!

AckwelFoley

Daithi07 wrote: »

how will this tax be collected from us by the government? If the whole country refuse to pay it, what can the do? Lets all stick together!

Collective disobediance, wishful thinking sadly

Its really a case of the "ol death and taxes" you cant avoid either.

bonerm

Daithi07 wrote: »

how will this tax be collected from us by the government? If the whole country refuse to pay it, what can the do? Lets all stick together!

They'll just send a couple of cases to jail for a while in order to scare the rest of us into submission.

galwayrush

snyper wrote: »

Collective disobediance, wishful thinking sadly

Its really a case of the "ol death and taxes" you cant avoid either.

What do you do when you don't actually have it? Any spare money i have goes on medicine for wife, mainly painkillers, perhaps i should pay the tax first rather than think of her? I know where my priority lies.

AckwelFoley

galwayrush wrote: »

What do you do when you don't actually have it? Any spare money i have goes on medicne for wife, mainly painkillers, perhaps i should pay the tax first rather than think of her? I know where my priority lies.

Of course, i agree - but the revenue have incredible powers, and if you owe them they will collect.

I wouldnt even expect you or anyone to put the debts owed to the revenue before those of your family, -but i find that in any society where self employed have to actually pay taxes on money they havent even earned yet, one is dealing with a tough system..

Im merely saying that people cannot so things collectively. I guarentee you if you offered 1000 euro for every man woman and child in the country if everyone in the state wears a pink shirt on Tuesday next... nobody would get the 1000 euro, because not everybody for some reason or other would wear the pink shirt

bitemybanger

shazzad01 wrote: »

not sure about u but i will be refusing too pay it and so should the rest of da country we have too stain up too these thugs :mad:

There will be no avoiding it. It will be added onto your mortgage.
I predict a riot, I predict a riot

bad2dabone

if you dont pay once the debt reaches a certain amount the Revenue will just send the sheriff around. The sheriff is basically a licensed thug who can just take stuff from you at will.
If they bring in an unjust tax we'll just have to keep marching on Leinster house.

galwayrush

bad2dabone wrote: »

if you dont pay once the debt reaches a certain amount the Revenue will just send the sheriff around. The sheriff is basically a licensed thug who can just take stuff from you at will.
If they bring in an unjust tax we'll just have to keep marching on Leinster house.

We're allowed shoot thieves on our property nowdays.:)

Kidchameleon

Spin doctors at their best.

"Lads, lets bull**** them into thinking there will be a property tax, then when the budget comes out with no property tax, the stupid feckers will think its not so bad..."

Shenshen

Twin-go wrote: »

MY HOUSEHOLD PAYS OVER €30,000 A YEAR IN TAX!! WHAT DOES THAT PAY FOR!!!!

Schools, road maintenance, police, army, health care, libraries, environmental protecion, welfare, education, public transport, water provision....

And bank bailouts, of course.

MagicSean

bad2dabone wrote: »

F*ckers, i'm 200k in negative equity, hit with recent rate increases which increased my mortgage by 160 a month from an institution that the government gave 5.7bn of our money to. I'll be sick to my stomach having to hand this out. That's if i can spare it, which at the moment I don't think I can.

Alison?

Twin-go

Shenshen wrote: »

Schools, road maintenance, police, army, health care, libraries, environmental protecion, welfare, education, public transport, water provision....

And bank bailouts, of course.

Schools: Teachers who get 3 month holidays on full pay each summer and still get extra pay to correct exams????

Road Maintenance: Damaged alloys and suspension due to road in poor repair. Plus more and more tolled roads?????

Police: Grand

Army: Do we need one?

Health care: If it did really go on health care fair enough but the vast majority goes to clerical staff. Waiting lists of 2 or more years. Luckily my employer provides health insurance (I pay BIK on this).

Libraries: Grand

Environmental Protecion: Great job they did with the flooding there last year. Has anything changed for this year or do we just have to put up with the flooding again? Any drainage schemes rolled out?

Welfare: People are made redundent and need welfare payment while the look for a new job. Also those with diabilities. But these people don't want to be on welfare. Then you have the scroungers who never worked a day in their life and never intend to. They are fully aware of all their genours entitlements and screw the tax payer for every cent they can get out of them. I love handing over my hard earned wage to help keep them in their free house with dicount electricity and as much Dutch Gold as they can drink.

Education: But college fees are been doubled. Primary schools always need donations and teacher are payed too much (concidering the time they have off)

Public Transport: Thats funny, No intergrated transport system in Dublin and out side Dubllin no public transport system at all.* (*slight exaggeration, but a poor system none the less.)

Water Provision: 60 days over the last 12 month my house had water disruption or no water at all.

I fall to see where my self and my wife are getting a valued service, bar maybe the Police and Fire Departments, for our €30k+ tax outlay.

snaps

faceman wrote: »

Doesnt every household in the UK pay some form of council tax though regardless of whether a property is rented or not?

The property tax proposed only hits home owners, its discriminatory.

Yes but it pays for the services you may use apart from water i think?

snaps

Daithi07 wrote: »

how will this tax be collected from us by the government? If the whole country refuse to pay it, what can the do? Lets all stick together!

Eh, of course it will be paid, we should have made protests as soon as the bank issues came to light, but we did nothing.

A few years down the line we still do nothing, just moan online or down the pub.

The only people making some kind of protest is the students.

The government know they can get away with doing what they want and no one will stand up.

CFPD

Hey Anyone know if there is a protest march tomorrow??
Heard there was one...not so sure....sick of sitting on my ass doing nothing about the crap that's being handed out to the people of this country!!!