Iceland to open 105 shops in Ireland

20 - 6*8 = 0?
104/2000 = 20?

I know plenty of shelf stackers who could see some problems here

irishconvert

keane2097 wrote: »

Wouldn't that be a net increase of two jobs?

And lol at you conveniently choosing the number of small business closures to tally exactly with your argument.

Yes I am to illustrate a point to the other poster who does not seem to get my point. But do you deny that an opening of an Iceland store will put some local stores out of business, or at least cause them to lay off staff? So while there may be a net gain of jobs, it is nowhere near 2000 jobs.

irishconvert

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

/facepalm.

I officially give up.:rolleyes:

Oh right, pick at a typo instead of argue your corner. I've fixed the figures now, 2000 jobs, 104 stores = 20 employees per store.

jimi_t2

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

I would love to see the alternatives you have drawn up. From what I am reading here, you want to flood the market with small independant retail shops which in turn will have less jobs, more expensive produce going by the ridiculous markups some of them have and employ only Irish citizens who wouldn't be caught dead stacking shelves.

I despair of your ridiculous statements I really do.:(

I don't think I've ever seen a worse case of putting words in someones mouth anywhere; the fact that this is After Hours probably means you deserve some kind of medal - rather than despair I'll just say Bravo!

I've no alternatives, I'm just saying that a low quality budget retailer setting up in an already saturated sector isn't something to be jumping up and down about. Saying that they're creating X number of jobs is fine, but its important to realise that there's every chance that they'll simply be displacing better paying jobs so that the net effect on the Irish economy would be actually detrimental as 105 odd Iceland stores and 50 2 euro shops aren't going to bring down the cost of living any significant amount, while quite possibly lowering the standard of living etc...

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

The fact that you say people in retail aren't ambitious really pinpoints your ignorance on the subject.

Retail has the highest rate of staff turnover in any sector of Irish commerce; supermarket retail in particular. The concept of promotion and linear progression are frowned upon at best - it's very much a hire'n'fire approach so that less than 1 in 5 of floorstaff ever get past their 6 month probationary period or qualify for holiday pay etc...

(Just as an aside, I've worked shopfloor, deliveries-in, tills as well as doing mystery shopping and a brief stint in admin for a few Irish retailers. It's a part-time/college job and they're well aware of it).

keane2097

irishconvert wrote: »

Yes I am to illustrate a point to the other poster who does not seem to get my point. But do you deny that an opening of an Iceland store will put some local stores out of business, or at least cause them to lay off staff? So while there may be a net gain of jobs, it is nowhere near 2000 jobs.

No it's certainly possible, but you have been insinuating that the job creation will be close to zero.

I'd be extremely sceptical that anything like 2000 jobs would be lost elsewhere due to Iceland opening stores in Ireland.

If you want to make a reasoned argument as to how many jobs you think would be lost go ahead, but the "Iceland creates 20 jobs, and local stores lose 18-20" rubbish is disingenuous at best.

"Cutting the fat" is what you are talking about.

This is a hugely positive thing in order to make an economy competitive again.
Ryanair are prime examples

Butterflylove

Wouldnt these small retailers not be out of business already?

Considering I dont see any around bar in the middle of nowhere where my sister lives,

Thanks to the mess were in, I would have forseen these businesses closing as it stood, the price of their goods tend to be higher to make up the fall in customers,

Isnt it better to have the Jobs been able to replace when the likely hood for these businesses closing is quite high, without Iceland coming in ?

Renn

I think stacking some shelves might be a problem for you irishconvert so I'd ignore the application process information that I supplied to you on page one.

irishconvert

Deleted User wrote: »

"Cutting the fat" is what you are talking about.

This is a hugely positive thing in order to make an economy competitive again.
Ryanair are prime examples

Can you use the QUOTE tags so we know who you are replying to? Thanks.

menoscemo

Great news for the country.
Now even more people will be eating cheap frozen, highly processed muck instead of fresh locally produced food. I'd imagine the amount made in tax revenues will paid back in funding the health service as a result.

No because I am on my phone.

I was referring to you talking about small businesses going under

Renn

menoscemo wrote: »

Great news for the country.
Now even more people will be eating cheap frozen, highly processed muck instead of fresh locally produced food. I'd imagine the amount made in tax revenues will paid back in funding the health service as a result.

Locally produced can still cost a fortune though. I got me 6 wild salmon fillets in Tesco for less than 6 euro. Result.

Gunsfortoys

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen a worse case of putting words in someones mouth anywhere; the fact that this is After Hours probably means you deserve some kind of medal - rather than despair I'll just say Bravo!

*Puts medal on mantelpiece.*:)

Anyway, if you read the thread you will see he has been saying that small independent businesses will suffer a lot of job losses because of this thus proving my point. I can multi quote but it is far too much effort. Just read the thread.

irishconvert

keane2097 wrote: »

No it's certainly possible, but you have been insinuating that the job creation will be close to zero.

I'd be extremely sceptical that anything like 2000 jobs would be lost elsewhere due to Iceland opening stores in Ireland.

If you want to make a reasoned argument as to how many jobs you think would be lost go ahead, but the "Iceland creates 20 jobs, and local stores lose 18-20" rubbish is disingenuous at best.

Look, the bottom line is 2000 jobs are not being created, I guess far less than that.

Another point, probably more importantly, is this company are not bringing any additional money into the Irish economy, in fact they are actually taking money out. All the money they take in will come from the pockets of Irish shoppers. Iceland will pay out a salary to their employees, pay tax to the government and probably buy some small percentage of goods from Irish suppliers with the bulk imported. However they will take the profits out of the country. Again, nothing to celebrate.

irishconvert

Renn wrote: »

I think stacking some shelves might be a problem for you irishconvert so I'd ignore the application process information that I supplied to you on page one.

If there is a problem with my arguement why don't you point it out instead of trying to be a smart arse? I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination and am just giving my opinion. If you believe I am wring then show me why and maybe I will change my mind.

Gunsfortoys

Ok then, I will write to Brian Cowen and Co and tell them to tell Iceland to **** off. Then I will also tell all the other multinational companies to **** off and stop taking money out of our country and giving whatever little business to Irish suppliers. The social welfare queue will double, mass emigration will cripple the economy and no one will have any hope.

Well at least poor Joe's newsagents will get some business.

Renn

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were trying to be a smart arse here:

irishconvert wrote: »

Oh yes. brilliant news, lots of jobs stacking shelves. Where do I apply? :rolleyes:

Apologies.

irishconvert

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Ok then, I will write to Brian Cowen and Co and tell them to tell Iceland to **** off. Then I will also tell all the other multinational companies to **** off and stop taking money out of our country and giving whatever little business to Irish suppliers. The social welfare queue will double, mass emigration will cripple the economy and no one will have any hope.

Well at least poor Joe's newsagents will get some business.

Multinationals which export are good, HP, Intel, etc. They are taking money from other economies and bring it into ours. Companies such as Iceland just recycle money within the Irish economy (at best) or take money out to their head office in another country.

irishconvert

Renn wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were trying to be a smart arse here:



Apologies.

Yes I was, and I did explain myself. Something you have yet to do. Will I continue to hold my breath?

Renn

Please.

keane2097

irishconvert wrote: »

Multinationals which export are good, HP, Intel, etc. They are taking money from other economies and bring it into ours. Companies such as Iceland just recycle money within the Irish economy (at best) or take money out to their head office in another country.

Sorry, but wtf are you talking about?

What do you think Intel export from Ireland?

irishconvert

keane2097 wrote: »

Sorry, but wtf are you talking about?

What do you think Intel export from Ireland?

CPUs

who the fug

jpfahy wrote: »

More importantly foreign companies like Tesco repatriate their profits thereby sucking money from our economy.

And this was different from when Associated British Foods owned them

keane2097

irishconvert wrote: »

CPUs

Well, I can promise you they don't.

irishconvert

keane2097 wrote: »

Well, I can promise you they don't.

Well wafers, or whatever it is. They do make parts there for CPUs, don't they? They do charge to supply the complete CPU's to the market don't they? They do reveive income from other countries for these CPUs, don't they? Or where am I wrong here?

Asphyxia

Ooh! I hope one opens down near me I love Iceland it's so cheap. I wouldn't mind applying for a job in it. I finish work at 1:00pm all the time (the joys of working with kids :rolleyes: ) so maybe some part time/weekend work would be handy for extra cash

keane2097

irishconvert wrote: »

Well wafers, or whatever it is. They do make parts there for CPUs, don't they? They do charge to supply the complete CPU's to the market don't they? They do reveive income from other countries for these CPUs, don't they? Or where am I wrong here?

Intel Ireland do not export wafers to market.

They have a centre in Shannon where CPUs are designed, and a fab in Leixlip where chips are manufactured.

If you're suggesting that the chips manufactured in Leixlip are sold for money which goes into the coffers in Leixlip you're wrong.

The only money Intel provides the Irish economy is the same as what an Iceland would - wages, tax (super-low corporation tax that is) and improved infrastructure around their sites.

The profits resulting from components designed and manufactured in Ireland go to the company's head office in America, just like Iceland's profits would end up in head office wherever that is.

Game Set and Match.

Who's for a pint?

996tt

Pisses me of when a new food supermarket creating jobs is so widely publicised. Basic supply and demand when you think about it, increase in supply with no increase in demand.

While they are "new" jobs they are not exactly the type we want as its not as if people will travel to ireland to shop for food, instead people will shop less in other food stores meaning other stores will shut/cut staff.

irishconvert

keane2097 wrote: »

Intel Ireland do not export wafers to market.

They have a centre in Shannon where CPUs are designed, and a fab in Leixlip where chips are manufactured.

If you're suggesting that the chips manufactured in Leixlip are sold for money which goes into the coffers in Leixlip you're wrong.

The only money Intel provides the Irish economy is the same as what an Iceland would - wages, tax (super-low corporation tax that is) and improved infrastructure around their sites.

The profits resulting from components designed and manufactured in Ireland go to the company's head office in America, just like Iceland's profits would end up in head office wherever that is.

Yes that;s fine and I understand that, but where does Intel Ireland's income come from?

Two questions, my answers in brackets, what are yours?:
Where does the money which pays Intel's Irish employees come from? (Irish and International customers)
Where does the money which pays Iceland's Irish employees come from? (Irish customers)

irishconvert

996tt wrote: »

Pisses me of when a new food supermarket creating jobs is so widely publicised. Basic supply and demand when you think about it, increase in supply with no increase in demand.

While they are "new" jobs they are not exactly the type we want as its not as if people will travel to ireland to shop for food, instead people will shop less in other food stores meaning other stores will shut/cut staff.

Exactly

r3nu4l

For all those who wonder why Iceland are coming back to Ireland after pulling out a few years ago.

Tesco did the same many years ago. They didn't understand the Irish market, only wanted to stock English produce, realised that nobody wanted to buy in a store where they couldn't get their favourites. Pulled out of the country, re-evaluated their strategy, logistics and supply chain and hey presto, loads of Irish people shop there each and every week.


Why are Iceland coming in when there are already plenty of cheaper alternatives?

Tesco also entered into a market that was saturated with stores offering similar goods at a similar price, their marketing teams did a good job of differentiating them. I'd say Iceland will do the same. Iceland are similar to Poundland in the UK in that recession is a huge profit-boosting time for them, and a country like Ireland that is likely to be in the stink for quite a while, is perfect for Iceland.

Personally all I ever buy in Iceland are cheap ice-cream cornettos in the summer and the occasional bottle of beer if it's at a good price. I can't imagine ever doing a full weekly shop there yet I have done at both Aldi and Lidl.

keane2097

irishconvert wrote: »

Yes that;s fine and I understand that, but where does Intel Ireland's income come from?

Two questions, my answers in brackets, what are yours?:
Where does the money which pays Intel's Irish employees come from? (Irish and International customers)
Where does the money which pays Iceland's Irish employees come from? (Irish customers)

I can't see how this is relevant tbh.

Of the money Irish people spend on products of both companies, some goes to pay Irish people, the rest leaves the country for the company's home office.

Gunsfortoys

r3nu4l wrote: »

For all those who wonder why Iceland are coming back to Ireland after pulling out a few years ago.

Tesco did the same many years ago. They didn't understand the Irish market, only wanted to stock English produce, realised that nobody wanted to buy in a store where they couldn't get their favourites. Pulled out of the country, re-evaluated their strategy, logistics and supply chain and hey presto, loads of Irish people shop there each and every week.


Why are Iceland coming in when there are already plenty of cheaper alternatives?

Tesco also entered into a market that was saturated with stores offering similar goods at a similar price, their marketing teams did a good job of differentiating them. I'd say Iceland will do the same. Iceland are similar to Poundland in the UK in that recession is a huge profit-boosting time for them, and a country like Ireland that is likely to be in the stink for quite a while, is perfect for Iceland.

Personally all I ever buy in Iceland are cheap ice-cream cornettos in the summer and the occasional bottle of beer if it's at a good price. I can't imagine ever doing a full weekly shop there yet I have done at both Aldi and Lidl.

Got it in one.

All I got in Iceland when living in Belfast was BBQ and hangover food. Other than that it is not really good for a full shop.

BOHtox

irishconvert wrote: »

Oh yes. brilliant news, lots of jobs stacking shelves. Where do I apply? :rolleyes:

Quite frankly I find that shallow and pedantic

Dudess

Makes sense now. I see job vacancy signs in Penneys all the time, and other low-cost retailers like New Look, plus Lidl and Aldi seem to be hiring a lot.

wyndham

=r3nu4l;68972339. I can't imagine ever doing a full weekly shop there yet I have done at both Aldi and Lidl.

I don't think it would be possible. Used to be in their Talbot Street store several times a week until they closed and always found it extremely limited in range. If was fine if you wanted cheap bicuits or crisps or were into sh1tty frozen ready meals but that was about it. I felt that they were using those shops to dump excess stock from the uk market.
The whole shop seemed to consist of BOGOF and half price offers, with different stock all the time.

Still, we will be able to get Christmas dinner for less than 99p a head if they're open in time!

fryup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OnOisoA66s

fedor.2.

irishconvert wrote: »

Yes that;s fine and I understand that, but where does Intel Ireland's income come from?

Two questions, my answers in brackets, what are yours?:
Where does the money which pays Intel's Irish employees come from? (Irish and International customers)
Where does the money which pays Iceland's Irish employees come from? (Irish customers)

Shouldn't you be off giving out about homosexuals as usual? You are without doubt the most self righteous p***K on boards. You actually turn me off this site
Mod Note, user banned for this

fulhamfanincork

It better be opening more than one in Cork.

Fags are Evil

The Knowledge Economy is alive and well, it's with O'Leary stacking shelves in aisle 12. :pac:

msg11

irishconvert wrote: »

Oh yes. brilliant news, lots of jobs stacking shelves. Where do I apply? :rolleyes:

Don't . I come from a retail background. People with that attitude in life will get no where in any job.

I suggest you have a look at this Tesco site

http://www.tesco-careers.com/home/people

Now have a good look around that site, it's alot more than stacking a few shelves. And most retailers do graduate programmes if you would like to get into any of them positions. I would be sure that, Dunne stores, Superquinn, Centra, Spar , Aldi , Lidl , Supervalu , Ice Land or any other retail store would have similar structure too there stores. Maybe not the companys might be an outside source.

Jesus Wept

It's only a few short months since Iceland declared bankruptcy, cut the fingers off the Danes and now they find €30 Million from somewhere to open up 100 shops over here. :rolleyes:
****ing disgraceful carry on.

Cavehill Red

Stekelly wrote: »

Are you happy enough to pay €3 for a Lasagne?

Not if I can get it for the equivalent of 2.30 elsewhere.

Stekelly wrote: »

If so, wtf difference does it make what it costs to buy in a foreign country?

Or even in the same country. Northern where was it?

keane2097

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Or even in the same country. Northern where was it?

Are people genuinely this retarded? This has to be a joke yeah?

Bullseye1

irishconvert wrote: »

Oh yes. brilliant news, lots of jobs stacking shelves. Where do I apply? :rolleyes:

Your attidtude is whats wrong with this country. We cannot be all doctors and lawyers. We do need people for this type of work.

Any news where jobs will be created can only be good.

Cavehill Red

keane2097 wrote: »

Are people genuinely this retarded? This has to be a joke yeah?

Yes, apparently some people are so retarded that they fail to see the 'Ireland' bit in 'Northern Ireland'.
If people want to wave the patriotism card at me as regards my shopping, fine. Everywhere I shop has Irish staff in Irish jobs in Ireland.

keane2097

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, apparently some people are so retarded that they fail to see the 'Ireland' bit in 'Northern Ireland'.
If people want to wave the patriotism card at me as regards my shopping, fine. Everywhere I shop has Irish staff in Irish jobs in Ireland.

Like you actually think it's the same country?

Wow...

Cavehill Red

keane2097 wrote: »

Like you actually think it's the same country?

Wow...

Of course it's the same country.
One country, two jurisdictions. It's not rocket science.

Cavehill Red

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Of course it's the same country.
One country, two jurisdictions. It's not rocket science.

Scotland and Wales. What are they? The same country? Or different countries?