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FF Propaganda on the Six One News.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭geespot


    fine gael want cuts in public service and welfare labour wants to spend its way out of crisis with the help of unions they could agree to limiting public spending by say a max increase in the number and wages of public servants by 10-20% and increasing social welfare by the same and probably take in refugees to fill the empty houses blaming fianna fail for the greed that everyone in this country showed and the stupidity in taking out loans that a child wouldve known they could not payback but now when the sh1t hits the fan its everybodys fault but theres


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    snyper wrote: »
    My opinion on enda is, he actually has charsisma, and he impressed during the leadership challenge, however - big PR mistake was when he was accused of not being vocal and passionate and within a few days he was literally screaming in the Dail - i actually cringed.

    But FG imo are a decent party.. ie they're not sinn feinn or the Greens

    They're not as bad as Sinn Fein and the Greens but they're no Fianna Fail, eh?
    Not that you're a supporter of FF or anything...
    Actually, your post is reminiscent of the kind of 'balance' you see on RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    When the dust settles we will finally be rid of the FF cancer once and for all but

    WE WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY HAVE DONE:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 575 ✭✭✭RockinRolla


    The first policy of my new party is to tax the church.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Sharkey 10 wrote: »
    Where do you sense that enda has charisma ?
    Id love go on a session with cowen but definatly not enda.
    Im not defending cowens policies or his government but its obvious he has a great personality.

    My buddies are great craic but I wouldn't let them run the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sharkey 10 wrote: »
    Where do you sense that enda has charisma ?
    Id love go on a session with cowen but definatly not enda.
    Im not defending cowens policies or his government but its obvious he has a great personality.

    Enda has no charisma and his new Finance spokesperson is depressed.

    Cowen can talk but often doesn't come across well at all, on occasion he takes up the mantel of a leader but generally this isn't in the dail. His speech to the SFA was well presented and high in energy, something that often does not come out in other speeches he has made.

    I am neither a fan of FF or FG but I hope that they make up the next government together so we can do away with civil war politics once and for all.

    Either way I feel FF need to take Ireland out of the recession before any new administration takes over, but this should not mean that people vote for the feckers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Sharkey 10 wrote: »
    Where do you sense that enda has charisma ?
    Id love go on a session with cowen but definatly not enda.
    Im not defending cowens policies or his government but its obvious he has a great personality.

    If he had none, he would never become a leader of a party.

    You need to get elected as a TD and then by your peers to become leader - if your personality is akin to a potato, you aint getting elected. People see him answering questions in the Dail or on tv, they dont get to see the man 1 on 1 ofter if ever.

    I never met the man, im reading through the lines - im not a fan - but to say he has no charisma is in my opinion not accurate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭geespot


    fianna fail will be back in power within five years peoplewill blame whoever is in power things or going to get worse and having labour in the next goverment is going to speed up the process and the inevitable break down of the coalition and the replacement wit a fianna fail led goverment ideal goverment would be fianna fail finegael coalition but that is probably further down the line


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Sharkey 10 wrote: »
    Where do you sense that enda has charisma ?
    Id love go on a session with cowen but definatly not enda.
    Im not defending cowens policies or his government but its obvious he has a great personality.

    Don't worry, he wasn't actually, really complimenting Enda; read the post again.
    After the faint praise, he's then 'cringing' at Enda's Dail performance; 'ah, he's not a bad fella but he's not fit for the serious stuff like Brian and the boys...'.
    The faint praise gives the illusion of balance; type of tactic you regularly see deployed on RTE, as it happens.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Sharkey 10 wrote: »
    What makes you think they will be better? The fact that they cant get much worse?

    I'll be picking from parties that I've previously voted for so I already know I agree to them to some extent. I'm going to look at manifestos and past policies and see who I agree with the most then sign up to help out. There's obviously a lot of anger we all know that but without action people's anger will turn to impotent apathy and FF will get into power again. That's why I suggested people sign up to a party if they truly feel pissed off with the current government. I'm ABFF atm and willing to take a chance on anyone else. Just because you feel a party doesn't 100% represent you doesn't mean people should not vote or say they're all the same; even Enda Kenny doesn't agree with everything the FG party has in its manifesto or has voted for in the past. That's the nature of democratic parties, you're being asked to find the best fit, not the perfect fit. Instead of waiting for some amazing new party to come along and save us all and fulfill every broken promise get on board with a tangible alternative that can do well in the polls right now. Just liked you can't change the government if you don't vote you can't change a party if you don't work to better it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Enda and Gilmore are the best things that could have happened for FF, they got to stay in power long enough to hammer in the last nails and allow the whitewashing to continue.

    Nice guy Enda is ineffectual and weak, and has failed to either hammer FF to the wall, or project his parties policies effectively. He can't even keep his house in order, as evidenced by his inaction on the Sheehan fiasco. FG are still by far the best option we have, which isn't saying a lot, mainly because Gilmore has yet to decide what he wanted for breakfast last Saturday. The man has splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence.

    RTE are always going to pander to whoever is in government, if those in government have a sufficient lack of morality to either protect their income stream, or threaten to take it away. They are afraid of real world economics pervading Montrose, and they know well that FF in their grasping need for continued power will stop at nothing (including the denial of democracy to tens of thousands of would be by-election voters) to retain that power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Elmo wrote: »
    I am neither a fan of FF or FG but I hope that they make up the next government together so we can do away with civil war politics once and for all.

    .

    That will never ever ever happen. Its not for reasons of civil war politics - its because there needs to be a strong centreist party in oppisition.


    It would decrease FG/FF share of the poll and increase the only centreist party left which would be labour.

    It happens in other countries like france and italy where there can often be a swing from socialist governments to capitalist ones.. neither far left or far right are good for a country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    If I was told to force someone to be leader of this country, it would be Vincent brown!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    ascanbe wrote: »
    They're not as bad as Sinn Fein and the Greens but they're no Fianna Fail, eh?
    Not that you're a supporter of FF or anything...
    Actually, your post is reminiscent of the kind of 'balance' you see on RTE.

    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    geespot wrote: »
    fianna fail will be back in power within five years peoplewill blame whoever is in power things or going to get worse and having labour in the next goverment is going to speed up the process and the inevitable break down of the coalition and the replacement wit a fianna fail led goverment ideal goverment would be fianna fail finegael coalition but that is probably further down the line

    You forget that Labour go into coalitions with either FF or FG so it might be FF and FGs problem rather than Labour. And the Indo will certainly run an editorial against such a coalition as they did in 1997 when the backed FF. Also they had a full term in the 1980s with FG.

    If FG do well in the next election they will possibly try to have a smaller party in with them rather than either FF or Labour. (Obviously not SF as it may hurt some of the electorate such as snyper here, they might be disappointed with The Greens but they still have 4% of the vote).

    Getting back to the topic of RTÉ and FF. History shows that FF aren't fans of RTÉ, indeed it was FF who reprimanded RTÉ for their negativity a few weeks ago. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1020/seanad_rte.html

    Also RTÉ's euro correspondents are soft and that has been proved with their new Economics editor former EU editor.
    snyper wrote: »
    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.

    I wouldn't suggest any politically party has sole rights to what is going on in this country right now. AFAIR some of economist pointed to the Green's policies during the 2007 GE. It is not like Labour, FF of FG have proven their policies sound now or in the past. But the future, what ever will be will be and all that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

    You want RTE not to report the news (in Latvia, nothing what so ever to do with FF) because it might suggest to people to vote for the current government because that is what the Latvians did?

    Seriously?

    I guess when RTE were reporting in their Entertainment section that Cheryl Cole was giving her cheating husband a second chance that was FF propaganda as well was it :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Don't worry, he wasn't actually, really complimenting Enda; read the post again.
    After the faint praise, he's then 'cringing' at Enda's Dail performance; 'ah, he's not a bad fella but he's not fit for the serious stuff like Brian and the boys...'.
    The faint praise gives the illusion of balance; type of tactic you regularly see deployed on RTE, as it happens.

    The national broadcaster as far as i know arent allowed (or supposed to) to take a biased stance.

    Its an ethical question for journalism wheather this is bad or good.

    I dont know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    snyper wrote: »
    The national broadcaster as far as i know arent allowed (or supposed to) to take a biased stance.

    Its an ethical question for journalism wheather this is bad or good.

    I dont know.

    Yes, this is true for all Broadcasting organisations. They must be balanced. However they are also allowed to be critical, so if they are investigating corruption for example they must give both sides, once the facts are there they can be as bias as they like.

    The question should be not was this FF Propaganda but rather was it balance towards the case of Latvia. The issue of pay cuts gave the IMF view and a view from 2 citizens one who point out how out of kilter they were during the boom and the other living off a small wage as a teacher. It could have been more balanced by talking to the opposition in Latvia and other organisations rather the PM and Educational ministers where softly interviewed with little or no opposing views.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭edanto


    (directed at the people above who said that they might not vote)

    Some of the blame for the mess we are in comes from people like you that are too lazy to vote.

    Or too lazy to research their vote, and they just vote for the nice fella that they know, or someone who did something for them locally. Anyways, that's all been said here before.

    It's very easy to say 'they're all the same', when it's patently obvious that they are not.

    Policy-wise, I don't think there are major differences between FF and FG, but I want to see a big change in this country and I'm going to do all I can to get a Labour majority after the next election.

    If you want to see the same change, then get involved. Go and talk to twenty of your mates - get political. Standing on the sidelines shouting only facilitates the ba$tards in ruining our country.

    Corrupt and lazy politicians are the root cause of our problems, and they were facilitated by lazy voters. The only solution is complete transparency in government and more participation by people like your good selves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭cleremy jarkson


    Fine Gael and Labour should have did everything in their power to try to form a national government a few weeks back. Because they completely dismissed the idea at such a critical time in our history, they've put me off wanting to ever vote for them.

    As far as I'm concerned, they're out for themselves and not for the national interest, and are similar to Fianna Fail in that regard.

    In the next election I might be voting for those scumbags fianna fail because all the other parties mention stimulus packages...I don't want to see any stimulus packages as the economy is already being artificially stimulated to the tune of 20 billion a year! Also, a new government will have to face up to all it's pre-election promises with no money to spend, and if they do try to meet them they will have to borrow more money, which prolongs the inevitable and will bankrupt the country.

    In my opinion, austerity is the option available right now regardless of how we got into this situation and a new government would more than likely impose less austerity measures than the current one.

    I would vote Fine Gael though if they imposed the right cuts and we're very careful to minimise the effects of cuts to frontline healthcare services.
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68944720&postcount=70


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Einhard wrote: »
    I think you're being a bit cynical to be honest, and I've never really understood RTE to be particularly FF in outlook. A cursory glance at the Frontline or a listen to Sean O'Rourke should really disabuse anyone of that position. But it seems that people like to see FF fifth columnists all over the place, and reasonable analysis is hardly going to convince them otherwise.

    As to the central point of your post, Latvia and Ireland are in the much the same boat. We're both practically bankrupt. Even by making the comparision, RTE is drawing critical attention to recent FF administrations. And, are you really suggesting that, whilst broadcasting an interesting and relevent comparison with another country, RTE should omit mentioning who holds power in that country? And that the Irish people are so stupid as to let that influence their vote? The former would suggest that you've no problem with media manipulation yourself, the latter would suggest an incredibly low opinion of the Irish electorate (although, given we have elected FF 3 times ina row, that might somehow be justified).

    Did you watched the Late Late when O' Dea and Cowen were on? Blatant bias in favour of FF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    I hate people who say we have to vote or pick a side...

    I dont vote and will not vote this time either - the main reason being, who the fcuk have I got to vote for....whos ideals and policies can I agree with...nobody. It doesnt matter if FF, FG, LB, SF or Greens are in - nothing changed the last time they were in and nothing will change if they get in again...its the same people with the age old dinosaur mentality - same job, different faces.

    Why do we have to pick a side anyway....why dont we all just not vote...now, I know people say that if you dont vote, youre part of the problem but i have an alternative...if I dont vote, and some moron just like the last, fcuks this place up or rather, cant recover it, then I can sit back and say, well....I DIDNT VOTE THIS MORON IN.

    Youre voting because you think you have a choice - you have no choice, its an illusion. We have only a handful of political parties in this country but you can get a Pizza with 100 different flavours!

    BULL****.
    God man yourself. FF is counting on people of your ilk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭cancercowboy


    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

    This.

    I'll be out there going door to door for Fine Gael. Now is the time to get your party card people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    snyper wrote: »
    That will never ever ever happen. Its not for reasons of civil war politics - its because there needs to be a strong centreist party in oppisition.


    It would decrease FG/FF share of the poll and increase the only centreist party left which would be labour.

    It happens in other countries like france and italy where there can often be a swing from socialist governments to capitalist ones.. neither far left or far right are good for a country

    You basically want less choice. The opposition should be centre-right while the government should be centre-right. That just leads to the apathy that we have seen here in this thread by many non-voters. If the centre-right want to form a government then they should be willing to face the centre-left opposition and the extremists on either side. I agree that balance is required but you can't have balance if you are unwilling to listen to your detractors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    snyper wrote: »
    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.

    I wasn't commenting on the policies of any of the parties.
    I was commenting on the topic of politically biased organisations/people and the tactics they employ in order to give the illusion of balance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Elmo wrote: »
    You basically want less choice. The opposition should be centre-right while the government should be centre-right. That just leads to the apathy that we have seen here in this thread by many non-voters. If the centre-right want to form a government then they should be willing to face the centre-left opposition and the extremists on either side. I agree that balance is required but you can't have balance if you are unwilling to listen to your detractors.

    I understand what you are saying and actually agree with you to a point, other than saying i want less choice.

    FF and FG in my opinion arent centre right.. they are or were too big of parties to lump all their candidates into one exact point, ie i kno that there are centre left and centre right opinions in both parties, as opposed to varying degrees of left in Labour.

    Having 2 centreist parties one in power and one in oppisition doesnt reduce choices, the other parties are there, it just gives people with a centreist political stance an alternative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    bit of a stretch tbh and verging on tin foil hat stuff.

    RTE are anything but pro FF. maybe they were doing their job: relaying news relevant to ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭geespot


    surprisinly i think i remember fine gael saying they would be prepared to go into goverment with sinn fein although i doubt they would make up the numbers interesting to see who the much hyped and all lving labour pick for there candiate in donegal somebody who spent an jail but got out because there was not enough evidence against him see labour pick more people of a celeb nature rather than people who have put in the spade work in the political field


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    geespot wrote: »
    surprisinly i think i remember fine gael saying they would be prepared to go into goverment with sinn fein although i doubt they would make up the numbers

    They would as part of a rainbow government with Lab.

    I dont think they will need to however after the next general election. FG/LAB will have a good majority among themselves


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    bit of a stretch tbh and verging on tin foil hat stuff.

    RTE are anything but pro FF. maybe they were doing their job: relaying news relevant to ireland?

    biffo in FF defence shocker. I have no problem with running a piece on Latvia, but the point of the piece was obviously to say that the government had been re-elected. Everyone who supports FF say RTE are against FF. Most right minded people who don't support FF say RTE are pro FF. I know what I believe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    biffo in FF defence shocker. .

    Why do you feel the need to make some sort of personal dig at anyone that opposes your opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    biffo in FF defence shocker. I have no problem with running a piece on Latvia, but the point of the piece was obviously to say that the government had been re-elected. Everyone who supports FF say RTE are against FF. Most right minded people who don't support FF say RTE are pro FF. I know what I believe.

    so RTE aren't allowed report on a european country's election results now without you believing it's a FF conspiracy. jesus:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    It's on the 9 news now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    they're at it again those pesky RTE propogandists!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    snyper wrote: »
    Why do you feel the need to make some sort of personal dig at anyone that opposes your opinion?

    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    so RTE aren't allowed report on a european country's election results now without you believing it's a FF conspiracy. jesus:rolleyes:

    True enough.
    After all, the country was on tenterhooks regarding the outcome of elections in Latvia.
    It's not like RTE were trying to make baseless comparisons between the situation in Latvia and Ireland and suggesting that if we just blindly follow the course our government has set us on, we'll be just fine like the good folk in Latvia.
    I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.

    ..and if he had a "i love charlie" logo in his sig good for him.


    Take his post apart piece by piece if you wish...and inturn the other poster can return the compliment - it just bothers me that someone if they dont show absolute and unconditional hate for the government they are automatically either and idiot or uneducated.

    Id like to thimk im neither, id rather debate whats said rather that the perceived backround of the poster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.

    i've defended FF in the context of the s'hit state of the economy and who's best positioned to fix it. i'm not afraid to voice an opinion even if it's not popular which, along with my username, makes some narrow minded people believe i'm a rampant brian cowen fan. i've stated i'm voting independent in the next election cos i dont support any party at the moment - guess you didnt turn up in that thread yourself.

    none of it matters - you're still ott on the paranoia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    ascanbe wrote: »
    True enough.
    After all, the country was on tenterhooks regarding the outcome of elections in Latvia.
    It's not like RTE were trying to make baseless comparisons between the situation in Latvia and Ireland and suggesting that if we just blindly follow the course our government has set us on, we'll be just fine like the good folk in Latvia.
    I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion.

    ahhh now come on. you're trying to imply that RTE dont cover european elections now? or that their situation is not very similar to ours? the fact that the reporter said, and i quote 'astonishingly, the government were voted back in...etc'...not really the wording of someone who;s trying to get the public used to the idea that voting back in a widely percieved 'incompetant' government is the normal or right thing to do.

    it was newsworthy ffs, they borrowed 7.5 billion from the IMF, they've taken 50% wage cuts, they're on the recovery and they've just had an election. of course it's newsworthy.

    jesus you people and your 'FF are hiding under my bed'...the new bogeyman is BC wha...he's just everywhere:rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    snyper wrote: »
    ..and if he had a "i love charlie" logo in his sig good for him.


    Take his post apart piece by piece if you wish...and inturn the other poster can return the compliment - it just bothers me that someone if they dont show absolute and unconditional hate for the government they are automatically either and idiot or uneducated.

    Id like to thimk im neither, id rather debate whats said rather that the perceived backround of the poster

    Firstly biffo's the one making tin foil hat comments.

    Secondly your description of unconditional hate is silly I've never said that. Nor have I said anyone who supports the government is an idiot or uneducated. If you really want to debate issues then you'll have to do more than make up pretend arguments from the other side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Firstly biffo's the one making tin foil hat comments.

    Secondly your description of unconditional hate is silly I've never said that. Nor have I said anyone who supports the government is an idiot or uneducated. If you really want to debate issues then you'll have to do more than make up pretend arguments from the other side.

    I never said you called anyone an idiot, i was referring to the preception of someone being one for not taking such a venemous stance - anyhow i believe i was speaking in general at that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Firstly biffo's the one making tin foil hat comments.

    it's was a lighter way of saying that, imo, you sound crazily paranoid - but i've a feeling you would have taken that as an insult anyway...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    The last time an FF politician arrived on my doorstep, he only got verbal abuse. Next time he shows up, he'll never make it down the drive.

    Haha, my local FF'er (Liam Kelly) darkened my doorstep in 2004 promising me the world all the while smugging it up in front of me like he was a pre-destined master of the universe. I was an anti-FF'er even then and it was about all I could do not to tell him to **** off out of my sight. Subsequently he won a seat but then got caught snorting cocaine on camera at a party. Needless to say when election time came around again he wasn't nearly so bolshy. He didn't even come round my way in 2009 but the word was he canvassing with his mummy so that people wouldn't raise the issue of his indiscretion to his face. What a man! :rolleyes:

    FF = Scumbag party full of scum. It's just a pity that their "opposition" are just as bad. I wouldn't waste a vote on either of them just so I could still look myself in the mirror in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    bonerm wrote: »
    It's just a pity that their "opposition" are just as bad. I wouldn't waste a vote on either of them just so I could still look myself in the mirror in the morning.

    thats the clincher right there.

    to me at this stage bitching and moaning about FF is like giving out about the smell of a particularly nasty s'hite - when ya find a s'hite that doesn't stink it might be worth discussing but until then, lets just assume they're only worth flushing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    it's was a lighter way of saying that, imo, you sound crazily paranoid - but i've a feeling you would have taken that as an insult anyway...

    Yeah cause neither of those statements were intended to be taken as insults...I suppose you'll tell me they are both compliments next.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    I think most of the people posting about RTE FF propaganda haven't been watching any current affairs programmes on it over the past two years. They have all been massively critical of FF handling of the economy up to now... Prime Time & The Frontline are excellent examples along with the numerous specials they did.

    Also, wasn't it an RTE radio correspondent that interviewed Brian Cowen supposedly drunk, and then aired it! Yup, FF certainly have RTE in the scratcher with them :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    snyper wrote: »
    The national broadcaster as far as i know arent allowed (or supposed to) to take a biased stance.

    Its an ethical question for journalism wheather this is bad or good.

    I dont know.

    me bollix, the minister for communications appoints the board at RTE. RTE were staring down the barrel financially and all of a sudden they lost interest in asking anything approaching a hard question. We need to ditch these fcukin parasites fast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Bambi wrote: »
    me bollix, the minister for communications appoints the board at RTE. RTE were staring down the barrel financially and all of a sudden they lost interest in asking anything approaching a hard question. We need to ditch these fcukin parasites fast.

    Six Board members are appointed on the nomination of the Minister; the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Communications, Energy and Natural Resources proposes four members to the Minister; the Director General of RTÉ is an ex officio member; and one member of staff is appointed following election.

    Please verify your facts before posting, thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    ahhh now come on. you're trying to imply that RTE dont cover european elections now? or that their situation is not very similar to ours? the fact that the reporter said, and i quote 'astonishingly, the government were voted back in...etc'...not really the wording of someone who;s trying to get the public used to the idea that voting back in a widely percieved 'incompetant' government is the normal or right thing to do.

    it was newsworthy ffs, they borrowed 7.5 billion from the IMF, they've taken 50% wage cuts, they're on the recovery and they've just had an election. of course it's newsworthy.

    jesus you people and your 'FF are hiding under my bed'...the new bogeyman is BC wha...he's just everywhere:rolleyes:

    They weren't reporting on the elections; the elections were quite a while ago.
    Amongst mryiad other differences to the situation in Ireland, Latvia has its own currency; our respective positions are not analogous.
    RTE should have plenty to be getting on with if they concerned themselves with reporting the facts of our current situation instead of searching out examples that, when skewed, just happen to suggest our current govt. is on the right path.
    But then again., perhaps there is no FF bias in RTE; pehaps they're just like some posters here, whose posts always end up supporting FF even though they themselves, supposedly, don't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Maybe they were broadcasting it because half of Latvia are living here.


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