Trinity...prestigious or overrated?????

dog_pig · 15-11-2010 5:31pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Does Trinity have a contingent working over in CERN? I don't think so, UCD however does. UCD really does excel over Trinity in the area of Experimental Physics (and probably most of the material sciences, including engineering). Oh and also, just because one of your departments, i.e., your computer science department, is one of the oldest in the world, doesn't make it the best in the world or in Ireland for that matter. I would sooner go to UCD or Maynooth to study Computer Science (or even DCU). Trinity is and has always been renounced for its Arts, Humanities and Law faculties and it is from these faculties that it gains most of its 'prestige', sometimes this air of 'prestige' can rub off some of its other faculties which really is disingenuous in my opinion.

Wow someone's a bit touchy!

evercloserunion · 15-11-2010 5:33pm

boblong wrote: »

They don't have CS in DCU as far as I know. They have "Computer Applications" and "Enterprise Computing". There is a difference.

CA is very similar to what we call CS here though, AFAIK.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 15-11-2010 5:44pm

dog_pig wrote: »

Tiny campus

(?)

Looking up online the ca,pus is actually ~50acres which is a lot bigger than I thought whenever I've been up there sorry. It must be because its in the city that it seems so small.

Tragedy · 15-11-2010 5:53pm

From everything I've been told, CS(call it what you may) in DCU is superior to TCD.

Superior in how it's taught, in how well students do, and in what students end up doing after finishing their undergead.

JonJoeDali · 15-11-2010 6:25pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Superior in how it's taught, in how well students do, and in what students end up doing after finishing their undergead.

Great. A €25k a year job in a multinational. You even get to admire the view of the industrial estate from the "coffee station".

Tragedy · 15-11-2010 6:33pm

You forgot to put in F.A.C.T. at the end of your post.

baldiessa · 15-11-2010 8:01pm

How are other subjects like philosophy, business, economics and political science at TCD? Really interested in PPES.

higgz · 15-11-2010 8:41pm

baldiessa wrote: »

How are other subjects like philosophy, business, economics and political science at TCD? Really interested in PPES.

I'm looking at BESS and from what I've gathered in my own research......

UCD is more renowned for its business school and it's more practical while Trinity is also highly rated but less practical and more theory based. Not necessarily a bad thing. Also the UCD Quinn school is much more modern than Trinity's current facilities although a new Business Building is due to be built by 2015, just as we graduate

Even so I'd personally prefer a more theory based business education. Areas like finance don't require practical work, just learning.

Philosophy, Sociology and Political Science are without a doubt probably best taught in Trinity. The Arts is the colleges strong point and there's probably no greater course to study about society than with PPES.

I'm most interested in Economics and while I've not found a definitive answer I'd say Trinity is among, if not, the best place to study economics in Ireland.

Once again I point out I actually haven't studied there yet so I'd appreciate if someone else gave their two cents too. I still need to know more as well.

baldiessa · 15-11-2010 9:18pm

higgz wrote: »

I'm looking at BESS and from what I've gathered in my own research......

UCD is more renowned for its business school and it's more practical while Trinity is also highly rated but less practical and more theory based. Not necessarily a bad thing. Also the UCD Quinn school is much more modern than Trinity's current facilities although a new Business Building is due to be built by 2015, just as we graduate Even so I'd personally prefer a more theory based business education. Areas like finance don't require practical work, just learning.

Philosophy, Sociology and Political Science are without a doubt probably best taught in Trinity. The Arts is the colleges strong point and there's probably no greater course to study about society than with PPES.

I'm most interested in Economics and while I've not found a definitive answer I'd say Trinity is among, if not, the best place to study economics in Ireland.

Once again I point out I actually haven't studied there yet so I'd appreciate if someone else gave their two cents too. I still need to know more as well.

Thank you so much for the help. Really appreciate it, I will probably have BESS for second choice and then other economical combinations. People here seems to talk about TCD's special tutoring, how does that works?

Dan_Solo · 15-11-2010 10:35pm

TCD is very strong in Biological Sciences. A scan of any HRB or SFI awards list will show they are probably the biggest with regard to funding generated.
Yer man Professor Luke O'Neill is on the telly and radio all the time too.

Tragedy · 15-11-2010 10:39pm

higgz wrote: »

I'm looking at BESS and from what I've gathered in my own research......

UCD is more renowned for its business school and it's more practical while Trinity is also highly rated but less practical and more theory based. Not necessarily a bad thing. Also the UCD Quinn school is much more modern than Trinity's current facilities although a new Business Building is due to be built by 2015, just as we graduate Even so I'd personally prefer a more theory based business education. Areas like finance don't require practical work, just learning.

UCC and UCD would both be more highly rated for pure Business than doing BESS and coming out with a BBS.
Also, areas like finance dont require practical work, just learning? Are you mad?

Philosophy, Sociology and Political Science are without a doubt probably best taught in Trinity. The Arts is the colleges strong point and there's probably no greater course to study about society than with PPES.

I can't talk about Philosophy, but I have yet to find anyone who finds Sociology in BESS to be worthwhile. It's universally loathed and derided as being a waste of time(not because it has no relevance to Business but because it's a horribly wishy-washy subject).

Pol Sci is alright, but not my cup of tea even though I'm interested in politics, political history and political structures outside college.

I'm most interested in Economics and while I've not found a definitive answer I'd say Trinity is among, if not, the best place to study economics in Ireland.

Economics is hard to call between TCD and UCD. I think UCD may just nudge it, but meh.

What BESS has going for it is how open ended it is, it isn't particularly great at any one subject and isn't regarded in that way either.

Personally, I wanted UCD Commerce

C.D. · 15-11-2010 10:43pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

TCD is very strong in Biological Sciences. A scan of any HRB or SFI awards list will show they are probably the biggest with regard to funding generated.
Yer man Professor Luke O'Neill is on the telly and radio all the time too.

Likewise with the Trinity Centre for Bioengineering, very well respected in Europe with some top notch research going. Has attracted considerable domestic and international funding. UCD don't have much in this field AFAIK, I haven't come across many papers in the field by them, but I could be wrong. However, there is considerable collaboration with UCD, RCSI, NUIG.

Killer Pigeon · 15-11-2010 10:54pm

higgz wrote: »

I'm looking at BESS and from what I've gathered in my own research......

UCD is more renowned for its business school and it's more practical while Trinity is also highly rated but less practical and more theory based. Not necessarily a bad thing. Also the UCD Quinn school is much more modern than Trinity's current facilities although a new Business Building is due to be built by 2015, just as we graduate Even so I'd personally prefer a more theory based business education. Areas like finance don't require practical work, just learning.

Philosophy, Sociology and Political Science are without a doubt probably best taught in Trinity. The Arts is the colleges strong point and there's probably no greater course to study about society than with PPES.

I'm most interested in Economics and while I've not found a definitive answer I'd say Trinity is among, if not, the best place to study economics in Ireland.

Once again I point out I actually haven't studied there yet so I'd appreciate if someone else gave their two cents too. I still need to know more as well.

Even though the Economist ranked UCD's business school the best in Ireland ... o dear let's neglect that.

aas · 15-11-2010 11:04pm

Frankly I'd be embarrassed if I went to a university that cared about the performance of its school of business.

Killer Pigeon · 15-11-2010 11:06pm

aas wrote: »

Frankly I'd be embarrassed if I went to a university that cared about the performance of its school of business.

Why? Are you some sort of socialist or something?

higgz · 15-11-2010 11:10pm

OK as I said I actually haven't been to college yet so excuse my bad reply

Tragedy wrote: »

Pol Sci is alright, but not my cup of tea even though I'm interested in politics, political history and political structures outside college.

Oh really, I'm very interested in politics too. I'm expecting something quite centred around the issues of today and political systems and all that. How unexpectedly different is it?

Economics is hard to call between TCD and UCD. I think UCD may just nudge it, but meh.

I don't know any differences between the two to be honest. I can't find any international rankings like the ones for business schools. What makes you think UCD has the edge?

What BESS has going for it is how open ended it is, it isn't particularly great at any one subject and isn't regarded in that way either.

Obviously the first year is general but after that does the specialisation in one or two areas not make it into a more well regarded course?

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Why? Are you some sort of socialist or something?

haha

Killer Pigeon · 15-11-2010 11:14pm

higgz wrote: »

I don't know any differences between the two to be honest. I can't find any international rankings like the ones for business schools. What makes you think UCD has the edge?

http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/free-ranking-tool

UCD @ 31 beside places like Cambridge and ahead of other places like UCLA and Cornell.

Trinity way down in some hard place.

higgz · 15-11-2010 11:18pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/free-ranking-tool

UCD @ 31 beside places like Cambridge and ahead of other places like UCLA and Cornell.

Trinity way down in some hard place.

Ah, but that's only for MBAs. I know that UCD has a better business school but it seems there's no way of comparing the two economics departments.

One thing that would lead me to believe Economics in Trinity is better is because of the number of well renown economists that have come from there.

David McWilliams
Morgan Kelly
Brian Lucey
Ronan Lyons
Marc Coleman
John Elliott Cairnes
Frances P. Ruane

Killer Pigeon · 15-11-2010 11:45pm

higgz wrote: »

Ah, but that's only for MBAs. I know that UCD has a better business school but it seems there's no way of comparing the two economics departments.

One thing that would lead me to believe Economics in Trinity is better is because of the number of well renown economists that have come from there.

David McWilliams
Morgan Kelly
Brian Lucey
Ronan Lyons
Marc Coleman
John Elliott Cairnes
Frances P. Ruane

George Lee went to UCD too.
Edit: Frances P. Ruane did a masters in UCD.
Morgan Kelly is a lecturer now in UCD.
Marc Coleman has a masters and MBA from UCD.

(John Elliott Cairnes was in university before UCD was even founded)

evercloserunion · 15-11-2010 11:48pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/free-ranking-tool

UCD @ 31 beside places like Cambridge and ahead of other places like UCLA and Cornell.

Trinity way down in some hard place.

Killer Pigeon · 15-11-2010 11:56pm

evercloserunion wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What's the symbolism of the ketchup though?

Jammyc · 16-11-2010 12:01am

Probably the blood about to be shed if people get any more self involved in this thread.

EDIT: Thats not directed at anyone in particular btw, just the general tone of the thread.

evercloserunion · 16-11-2010 12:18am

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What's the symbolism of the ketchup though?

It represents the fact that this was the only decent pic I could find on point.

I dunno. Maybe the blood of trinners?

JonJoeDali · 16-11-2010 12:26am

aas wrote: »

Frankly I'd be embarrassed if I went to a university that cared about the performance of its school of business.

What? Like the Judge Business School?

Anyway, the Trinity MBA is ranked higher than UCD's.

Killer Pigeon · 16-11-2010 12:32am

JonJoeDali wrote: »

What? Like the Judge Business School?

Anyway, the Trinity MBA is ranked higher than UCD's.

I'll leave my ammunition of links to ranking organisations until tomorrow, goodnight all you filthy rimmers.

Tragedy · 16-11-2010 12:36am

JonJoeDali wrote: »

What? Like the Judge Business School?

Anyway, the Trinity MBA is ranked higher than UCD's.

Where is it ranked higher, out of curiousity?

JonJoeDali · 16-11-2010 1:20am

Tragedy wrote: »

Where is it ranked higher, out of curiousity?

http://www.chasemba.com/mba-school-ranking/76-europe-mba-ranking.html
http://www.topmba.com/mba-rankings/top-business-schools-report-2010/regions/top-business-schools-in-europe
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/trinity-college-dublin

Tragedy · 16-11-2010 2:41am

JonJoeDali wrote: »

http://www.chasemba.com/mba-school-ranking/76-europe-mba-ranking.html
http://www.topmba.com/mba-rankings/top-business-schools-report-2010/regions/top-business-schools-in-europe
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/trinity-college-dublin

The first is reproducing the seconds statistics.

The third lists UCD as being higher.

The seconds methodology is:

Each employer is asked to list, unprompted, the international schools from which they have recently attempted to recruit MBAs. Each time a school is selected by an employer, it receives one vote and the total number of votes is referred to as its 'total unprompted votes'.
Employers are then asked to identify the schools they regard as attractive for the purpose of MBA hiring from a selection of regions around the world. Schools are divided into regions and employers are encouraged to identify all schools from which they might consider recruiting MBAs. They are asked to pick from a list of the 500 business schools most often mentioned in the previous year's research. In order to be included in the survey, a school must have been recommended by an employer in a previous year of the research. Each time a school is voted from the list, it is given one vote, referred to as its 'total prompted votes'.
The prompted and unprompted votes are added together to create a 'total employer votes'. In order to ensure balanced results not subject to influence from the economic cycle, an average of the 'total employer votes' is taken from the current year's research and the previous two years research.
The average total employer votes is indexed against the best performing business school, which is given an Index score of 100%. This indexing does not affect the relative positions of schools in any given year. This percentage score is known as the school's "Index of Employer Votes".
This research does not intend to infer an overall ranking of schools from the results. The tables list schools in clusters, by region. The relative Employer Position of schools is displayed, based on their Employer Score in that year and a ranking within the region.

The first link suggests that the votes for both TCD and UCD are single digits, so I don't think that would qualify as representative(too small a pool for statistical purposes).

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-rankings-2007
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings
http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/schools-ranking

Honestly, I've never heard of anyone even mention Trinitys MBA, anyone I know who has done BESS always went on to UCD.

Einstein? · 16-11-2010 8:58am

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Trinity: It's not the standard of education that counts, rather the state of mind ....

????

INCEPTION!!

knipex · 16-11-2010 9:34am

If the (majority) of posters on this thread are thread or typical of the current generation of students and the future of this country...

Well then I despair...

Such a bunch of superior, arrogant, twats I have not seen outside of a pre school.

I wonder how the sudden impact on reality, once you leave the sheltered halls of academia, will impact on the rest of your lives.

Trinity...prestigious or overrated?????

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