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Bohs in urgent plea for help

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  • #202
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    AGC wrote: »
    He is still your PRO!!!

    No he isn't and that wasn't his position on the board before he emigrated 18 months ago.
    AGC wrote: »
    The amount of crap from both sides in this thread is unreal. We are in serious trouble and in serious danger of going out of business.

    What 'crap' is coming from the non-Bohs side?
    AGC wrote: »
    But what is comical is why Rovers fans(Although they have a good bit of info like any other LOI fan) feel it necessary to also spout some serious garbage about what they think is going on when it is just not true. The obsession from some on here is comical and some of teh accusations even funnier!

    Obsession my arse. When people see Bohs fans who clearly are spouting ignorance about the situation, they will jump in. Bohs fans are simultaniously asking us for help and telling us to butt out. Doesn't compute. If you want people to dig into their pockets, you have to be straight with them about the situation, and thats clearly not happening, here or in the real world.


  • #203
    AGC
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    So the Model Club can't update a website in 18 months when a PRO leaves;)

    The rubbish about players being employed as barmen etc.. I haven't read the whole thread but im sure there is more.

    I don't disagree with your last statement about being straight up with members and in a lot of situations they are not which will lead to people being reluctant to donate which will lead to us being f**ked


  • #204
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    BornToRun88 wrote: »
    I'll suggest a word of warning to all the narrow minded anti-bohs and rovers folk making untrue allegations and utter slander on this thread, you'll find yourself in serious trouble if you're unproven and utter make up lies are passed on to someone in Bohemian FC or even the FAI for that matter.

    Good to see that even in these dark days for Bohs, their fans still have a sense of humour.


  • #205
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    AGC wrote: »
    So the Model Club can't update a website in 18 months when a PRO leaves;)

    Saw that myself. Will inform the Rovers web team.
    AGC wrote: »
    The rubbish about players being employed as barmen etc.. I haven't read the whole thread but im sure there is more.

    But it happened, and they admitted it happened.
    AGC wrote: »
    I don't disagree with your last statement about being straight up with members and in a lot of situations they are not which will lead to people being reluctant to donate which will lead to us being f**ked

    No, what has lead you to being fcuked is your greed and woeful mismanagement.


  • #206
    AGC
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    No, what has lead you to being fcuked is your greed and woeful mismanagement.

    Which has been happening for years!!

    By people still sitting on the board who have continually lied. I again don't disagree with this.

    Can you show where they admitted paying players as barmen? I guarentee it didn't happen


  • #207
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    AGC wrote: »
    Which has been happening for years!!

    By people still sitting on the board who have continually lied. I again don't disagree with this.

    Can you show where they admitted paying players as barmen? I guarentee it didn't happen

    Mark Rossiter.


  • #208
    AGC
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    What about him?? There is no proof. If you are picking up Bohs fans on icorrect statements just feel you should be as well.

    Also just reading back through the thread about Bohs trying to ''accelerate'' Cork's demise. How petty is it for a club to make complaints about stadium announcers for not telling fans where the emergency exits are and for not announcing the sports against racismstatement:rolleyes: Leading to fines for the club. Has anyone ever heard these announcemnets at a LOI ground?

    As I have already said the amount of rubbish in this thread from both sides is unreal and I have to say some of the crap from other Bohs fans is embarrassing.


  • #209
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    AGC wrote: »

    Also just reading back through the thread about Bohs trying to ''accelerate'' Cork's demise. How petty is it for a club to make complaints about stadium announcers for not telling fans where the emergency exits are and for not announcing the sports against racismstatement:rolleyes: Leading to fines for the club. Has anyone ever heard these announcemnets at a LOI ground?

    Yes. Rovers do every week. We got fined the week before for not announcing the SARI statement because our regular MC was away and the stand in forgot. We objected to the fine on the basis its not read by any other club, and that we were being picked on, then pointed out to the same delegate that Bohs (just happened to be the next away game we had him) didn't announce it the week after, and he alas decided to go the other way from what we wanted and also fine Bohs.

    The object of the excercise was to point out that at the time, we were the only club reading out the SARI speech in the league and also getting fined for not doing so. I can see why it can be taken as a petty action, but that wasn't the intention.


  • #210
    AGC
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Yes. Rovers do every week. We got fined the week before for not announcing the SARI statement because our regular MC was away and the stand in forgot. We objected to the fine on the basis its not read by any other club, and that we were being picked on, then pointed out to the same delegate that Bohs (just happened to be the next away game we had him) didn't announce it the week after, and he alas decided to go the other way from what we wanted and also fine Bohs.

    The object of the excercise was to point out that at the time, we were the only club reading out the SARI speech in the league and also getting fined for not doing so. I can see why it can be taken as a petty action, but that wasn't the intention.


    Must have arrived late for the games inTallaght because I never heard it there(Or any other ground). Not saying it isn't done. The emergency exit one was as petty as can get.

    Still no proof on Rossiter? It was an arguement that has been done to death and was started by Rovers fans with no proof. It was also alleged he was paid as a coach and not a barman. Rossiter had 1 contract, as a player.


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  • #211
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    AGC wrote: »
    What about him?? There is no proof. If you are picking up Bohs fans on icorrect statements just feel you should be as well.

    Also just reading back through the thread about Bohs trying to ''accelerate'' Cork's demise. How petty is it for a club to make complaints about stadium announcers for not telling fans where the emergency exits are and for not announcing the sports against racismstatement:rolleyes: Leading to fines for the club. Has anyone ever heard these announcemnets at a LOI ground?

    As I have already said the amount of rubbish in this thread from both sides is unreal and I have to say some of the crap from other Bohs fans is embarrassing.
    Rossiter was being paid as a coach as a way around an insurance issue he had, he wasnt being paid as a barman.

    And can you point to somewhere which confirms the fines above?

    Anyway, Bohs have only raised 40 of the 300k needed, so it looks like its all over bar the shouting. There is no way for them to reform as AFC Bohs or such without losing Dalymount either, so its A league at best and homelessness looking increasingly certain. Ironic maybe after all those years of homeless jibes, but a sad day nonetheless.


  • #212
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    AGC wrote: »
    Must have arrived late for the games inTallaght because I never heard it there(Or any other ground). Not saying it isn't done. The emergency exit one was as petty as can get.

    its done in Tallaght at every game because we were told to and fined for the one game we didn't. Why other clubs don't is a question for them.

    If you put us in that condemned deathtrap you put us, emergency exit information becomes very important.

    AGC wrote: »
    Still no proof on Rossiter? It was an arguement that has been done to death and was started by Rovers fans with no proof. It was also alleged he was paid as a coach and not a barman. Rossiter had 1 contract, as a player.

    So how does that reconcile back to his insurance payout at Sunderland?

    He was prohibited from being a full time pro, so Bohs employed him as a coach and amatuer player, realised that this could be used on other players for the SCP and did so. Your schoolboy section costs went up something like 3,000% in the year in question.


  • #213
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    All clubs loyalties aside but the very thing that Bohemians are counting on to save them if things go as bad as they might, Dalymount Park, may be the very thing that kills them.

    When Shamrock Rovers, Cork City and Derry City were in similar positions, they were able to survive and cut a deal with their creditors or just fold and reimagine themselves as new entities because they had no assets. Milltown had gone and Turners Cross and the Brandywell are owned by their respective councils.

    Both Derry and Cork were wound up and then could start again because they had nothing to lose, Bohemians have Dalymount and while there are a myriad of issues surrounding it's delapadated state and ownership, it still remains an attractive prospect to any creditor wishing to call in their debts. Bohs can't follow the Cork or Derry route because if they do fold, the will lose their ground and any new entity to replace them would be doing so without a stadium to play in.


  • #214
    AGC
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    @CiaranC....I don't have a link to the fines(Ill try get one) but it was common knowledge and also confirmed by the stadium announcer.

    Also you must have more misinformation because the total of €40k is also innaccurate! It is all over bar the shouting though.

    @ONYD....I was making the point of Rossiter not being paid as a barman which was said he was, he wasn't. He was paid as a player(This ins and outs of his contract/Sunderland insurance pay out I don't know)

    @Super_Furry....Your dead right. In the end it will kill us but it is the board that started it off.


  • #215
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    The 40k figure was in the indo

    Http://independent.ie/sport/soccer/bohs-in-new-cash-appeal-to-supporters-2423898.html


  • #216
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    CiaranC wrote: »
    The 40k figure was in the indo

    http://independent.ie/sport/soccer/bohs-in-new-cash-appeal-to-supporters-2423898.html

    Even they are wrong, unfortunately


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  • #217
    iregk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    So AGC what exactly is the situation then? I'm not loking to stir I'm genuinely asking as a football fan.


  • #218
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    iregk wrote: »
    So AGC what exactly is the situation then? I'm not loking to stir I'm genuinely asking as a football fan.

    A large 6 figure sum is needed by Friday week and at the pace the money is coming in it just isnt going to happen unless the unlikely event the ground is sold or Roman Abramovich shows up.


  • #219
    aliveandkicking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭aliveandkicking


    BornToRun88 wrote: »
    Yes it was, good boy! now you're starting to learn

    If you actually think Bohs handed the FAI 1 million punts cash in the late 80s to buy Dalymount then you really are a clown of the highest order. I suggest you double check your facts before coming back here to spout nonsense.


  • #220
    iregk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    That much AGC we know. I thought you'd be a bit more specific than that.


  • #221
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    iregk wrote: »
    That much AGC we know. I thought you'd be a bit more specific than that.

    Not posting details that have only been given to members, however if you read newspaper articles they aren't far wrong with figures.


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  • #222
    Pal
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

    If you put us in that condemned deathtrap you put us, emergency exit information becomes very important.

    .

    Bohs don't put you in the Connaught Street stand. The Gardai do.

    Probably because you didn't behave yourselves in the Shed.


  • #223
    AgileMyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭AgileMyth


    Sad day for the league if they do fold. Horrible for their fans. Best of luck to them, it'll be a long hard struggle to bring them back from this.
    No football fan should be taking any joy from this, it could easily have happened to a lot of clubs in recent years.


  • #224
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Pal wrote: »
    Bohs don't put you in the Connaught Street stand. The Gardai do.

    Probably because you didn't behave yourselves in the Shed.

    It is condemned, and if the Gardaí want to overrule the H&S people and put us in a clearly unsafe environment, its up to Bohs to manage that.

    If Pats can be placed in the shed, so can we.

    When were we ever put in the Shed?


  • #225
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Pal wrote: »
    Bohs don't put you in the Connaught Street stand. The Gardai do.

    Probably because you didn't behave yourselves in the Shed.

    Is it the Gardaí's responsibility to make sure that Stand is fit for its use too?


  • #226
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    It is condemned, and if the Gardaí want to overrule the H&S people and put us in a clearly unsafe environment, its up to Bohs to manage that.

    If Pats can be placed in the shed, so can we.

    When were we ever put in the Shed?

    2001(Could be wrong) when you ended up attacking everyone in it and the game being held up for 20 minutes and an elderly man getting hit with a hammer.

    Bohs, on several occasions have said you lot will be in the Shed and the Guards over rule them.


  • #227
    TangyZizzle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    How much have Bohs actually raised towards the €300k?

    If and when they go under, where will this amount of money go? Shouldn't it and all that they have, go to whomever it is that they owe?

    ..I'm completely out of the loop in terms of knowing the details etc. but if someone could answer just those three questions for me, that'd be great.


  • #228
    bohsboy
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    AGC wrote: »
    2001(Could be wrong) when you ended up attacking everyone in it and the game being held up for 20 minutes and an elderly man getting hit with a hammer.

    Bohs, on several occasions have said you lot will be in the Shed and the Guards over rule them.

    March 3, 2000. I was in the Shed that night. Horrific stuff. Tony O Dowd (clown) and the majority of the Rovers fans at the other end applauded them back onto the terrace.


  • #229
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    AGC wrote: »
    2001(Could be wrong) when you ended up attacking everyone in it and the game being held up for 20 minutes and an elderly man getting hit with a hammer.

    The bulk of Rovers fans were not in the shed. Rovers weren't put in the shed.

    I can't remember any Bohs game that we were in there.


  • #230
    bohsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    dfx- wrote: »
    The bulk of Rovers fans were not in the shed. Rovers weren't put in the shed.

    I can't remember any Bohs game that we were in there.

    They were cheered back to Connaught St after attacking a load of kids.


  • #231
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    BornToRun88 wrote: »
    I'll suggest a word of warning to all the narrow minded anti-bohs and rovers folk making untrue allegations and utter slander on this thread, you'll find yourself in serious trouble if you're unproven and utter make up lies are passed on to someone in Bohemian FC or even the FAI for that matter.

    I heard it has already been passed on. Crazy or not, they are taking it seriously.

    I doubt much action can be taken? :confused:


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  • #232
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    dfx- wrote: »
    The bulk of Rovers fans were not in the shed. Rovers weren't put in the shed.

    I can't remember any Bohs game that we were in there.

    10 years ago there was some hoolie on hoolie action in there and we can't go there as a result? The mind boggles.


  • #233
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    10 years ago there was some hoolie on hoolie action in there and we can't go there as a result? The mind boggles.

    You're not going away with that crap. I was there that night, about 30 men came in and started booting young kids, girls and an OAP got a hammer across the back as he tried to get away. Two or three young kids were crushed in the corner as they tried to climb out over the hoarding boards.

    Hoolie on hoolie my arse. Too many times I've heard that to gloss over your attacks.


  • #234
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    bohsman wrote: »
    They were cheered back to Connaught St after attacking a load of kids.

    What's that to do with putting only Rovers fans in there?


  • #235
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    dfx- wrote: »
    What's that to do with putting only Rovers fans in there?

    I think it illustrates the mentality of your support.


  • #236
    bohsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    10 years ago there was some hoolie on hoolie action in there and we can't go there as a result? The mind boggles.

    In all fairness it just wouldnt work unless the capacity was brought down to less than 500 or so blocking off about half the stand.


  • #237
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    bohsboy wrote: »
    I think it illustrates the mentality of your support.

    Thank god you only blew in here when it looked like you were going to win the title and no doubt will blow back out when you're in the A championship. You're an embarrassment to the other supporters of your club. The ones that actually know what's going on, that is.


  • #238
    flahavaj
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    Awesome thread.


  • #239
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    stovelid wrote: »
    Thank god you only blew in here when it looked like you were going to win the title and no doubt will blow back out when you're in the A championship. You're an embarrassment to the other supporters of your club. The ones that actually know what's going on, that is.

    I don't see you denying it though?

    Im glad I annoy you. Really, I am. ;)


  • #240
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    You're know you're really not doing your club any favours here, especially at a time when they need all the help and public goodwill they can get.


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  • #241
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    super_furry wrote: »
    You're know you're really not doing your club any favours here, especially at a time when they need all the help and public goodwill they can get.

    Just pointing out a few truths. Could'nt care less what you think. Not going to stand by and read the drivel from hypocrites.


  • #242
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    bohsboy wrote: »
    I don't see you denying it though?

    I'm not denying anything. You're think that talking about a 10 year-old incident at Dalymount involving some of our supporters constitutes a refutation of what is being said on a thread about the imminent death of a club?

    In such priorities is the reason your club is in such trouble.


  • #243
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    bohsboy wrote: »
    Im glad I annoy you. Really, I am. ;)

    Who you gonna follow after Bohs are gone?


  • #244
    AgileMyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭AgileMyth


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Who you gonna follow after Bohs are gone?
    I'd imagine the majority of bohs fans will be 'anyone but shams' if bohs are gone altogether.


  • #245
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    AgileMyth wrote: »
    I'd imagine the majority of bohs fans will be 'anyone but shams' if bohs are gone altogether.
    No change there then


  • #246
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    stovelid wrote: »
    I'm not denying anything. You're think that talking about a 10 year-old incident at Dalymount involving some of our supporters constitutes a refutation of what is being said on a thread about the imminent death of a club?

    In such priorities is the reason your club is in such trouble.

    You love jumping out of individual arguments when it suits you. It was a 10 year old incident but there has been many more since and indeed plenty before it.

    You seem to have trouble with people disagreeing with you and tend to have a go at the poster rather than the post I've noticed. But you won't shut me up son.

    You say Im a blow in? :rolleyes: Sure could'nt I have rolled into town a couple of years ago and had a field day? Or when Dublin City relegated you and Roddy?

    Grow up.


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  • #247
    FUNKY LOVER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭FUNKY LOVER


    bohsboy wrote: »
    March 3, 2000. I was in the Shed that night. Horrific stuff. Tony O Dowd (clown) and the majority of the Rovers fans at the other end applauded them back onto the terrace.


    yep i remember that too,the rovers fans went in with bohs jerseys on them,then took them off and i witnessed with my own eyes 2 rovers fans in their 20s kicking the bejaysus out of a lad no older than 15.

    anyways......


  • #248
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    bohsboy wrote: »
    You love jumping out of individual arguments when it suits you.

    As you have been for the whole thread. Only youse would turn a thread looking for sympathy into one that will subtract sympathy from the majority of supporters here. The money will be rolling in.

    And I'm not your son.


  • #249
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    stovelid wrote: »
    As you have been for the whole thread.

    And I'm not your son.

    Really? where?.........


  • #250
    bohsboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    stovelid wrote: »
    As you have been for the whole thread. Only youse would turn a thread looking for sympathy into one that will subtract sympathy from the majority of supporters here. The money will be rolling in.

    And I'm not your son.

    Would you go and get a grip? Do you really think we are looking for sympathy from outside our club? It's our problem and we will deal with it.

    If you don't like that I suggest you ignore the thread as it seems to be upsetting you so much.


  • #251
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    bohsboy wrote: »
    Really? where?.........

    Why else are we discussing Rovers when the thread is about your imminent collapse? Who steered the discussion that way? The same way you prefer to spew hate about us on your forum when your club is going down the jacks.
    bohsboy wrote: »

    If you don't like that I suggest you ignore the thread as it seems to be upsetting you so much.

    The thread is dead for all intents and purposes. It was an honest discussion on the plight of your club and now it's become a joke and the kind of thread that makes other supporters log out.


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