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An Ghaeilge sa chóras oideachais/The Irish language in the education system

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  • #102
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,762 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    I think people would be more willing knowing that it's important for their exams! Especially if they're HL students!
    Also a teacher will catch out English when everyone else is talking Irish!

    But yet there are HL students with a lower standard of oral Irish than OL students and a lecturer could never know! It really isn't that hard to just work on your orla standard though. Just talk to others as gaeilge. I still do it at home!

    That's just delusional.

    You guys can harp on as much as you like about how much better it would be if the exams are restructured, but you still have the same problem: you're still talking about exams. People are only putting in the effort to pass an exam.

    If you really want to promote it, move away from the exams altogether. Focus on primary school and get kids interested there.

    As I said: how are you going to get teenagers interested by forcing them?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #103
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    That's just delusional.

    You guys can harp on as much as you like about how much better it would be if the exams are restructured, but you still have the same problem: you're still talking about exams. People are only putting in the effort to pass an exam.

    If you really want to promote it, move away from the exams altogether. Focus on primary school and get kids interested there.

    As I said: how are you going to get teenagers interested by forcing them?

    The people in HL should be the ones who want to do well in their exams so why shouldn't they be expected to put the effort in? It's speaking a language not doing 7000 words of extra writing or anything.

    And I agree with starting at primary school. My previous points were all to do with why i agreed with extra marks for oral Irish not for how to encourage Irish


  • #104
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,762 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    The people in HL should be the ones who want to do well in their exams so why shouldn't they be expected to put the effort in? It's speaking a language not doing 7000 words of extra writing or anything.

    And I agree with starting at primary school. My previous points were all to do with why i agreed with extra marks for oral Irish not for how to encourage Irish

    Possibly, but you said "especially the people in HL" which meant that the initial statement refered to all students. Again, you can give as many marks as you want to oral Irish, but to most students it is still just an exam.

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I get the impression I'm getting is that people here think that doing exams encourages students to like something. I can assure you, though, that JC and LC students do exams to get points and for no other reason. And with Irish, the reason for this is the continued perception, be it right or wrong, that Irish is of no interest or relvance to the bulk of them.

    If that last statement was wrong, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #105
    Richard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Richard


    Darren J. Prior wrote: »
    Is Welsh required now for the A-Levels in Wales?

    No there are no compulsory A Level subjects.

    I think it might be compulsory at GCSE - they certainly need to have lessons in it up to 16.


  • #106
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    I think people would be more willing knowing that it's important for their exams! Especially if they're HL students!
    Also a teacher will catch out English when everyone else is talking Irish!

    But yet there are HL students with a lower standard of oral Irish than OL students and a lecturer could never know! It really isn't that hard to just work on your orla standard though. Just talk to others as gaeilge. I still do it at home!

    You mean a teacher will catch out Irish when everyone's talking English.


  • #107
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    As someone who detested learning Irish, I found it improved greatly when I was studying for the oral exam

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #108
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Possibly, but you said "especially the people in HL" which meant that the initial statement refered to all students. Again, you can give as many marks as you want to oral Irish, but to most students it is still just an exam.

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I get the impression I'm getting is that people here think that doing exams encourages students to like something. I can assure you, though, that JC and LC students do exams to get points and for no other reason. And with Irish, the reason for this is the continued perception, be it right or wrong, that Irish is of no interest or relvance to the bulk of them.

    If that last statement was wrong, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    That's exactly what I meant tbh!

    I have never said that exams encourage students to speak Irish. I can see that they clearly don't.

    What students need is to learn a love of the language and not just consider it as another subject that they have to suffer


  • #109
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,762 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    That's exactly what I meant tbh!

    I have never said that exams encourage students to speak Irish. I can see that they clearly don't.

    You did give that impression though, in a previous post!

    Anyway. If you want the langauge to be revived, tackle primary, nto secondary. Do it right and people won't have to worry about it being cumpulsory or not, kids will want to do it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #110
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    You did give that impression though, in a previous post!

    Anyway. If you want the langauge to be revived, tackle primary, nto secondary. Do it right and people won't have to worry about it being cumpulsory or not, kids will want to do it.

    Where did I say that?

    I already agreed with you that it has to start with primary school


  • #111
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,762 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    Where did I say that?

    I already agreed with you that it has to start with primary school

    Here

    The bit about primary school was aimed at people generally, rather than you specifically.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #112
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Here

    The bit about primary school was aimed at people generally, rather than you specifically.

    All that is referring to is about people talking Irish for the orals and how I agree that it should be worth more marks.

    Not once do I say that exams are going to encourage people to actually enjoy the language. That, as we both agree, really needs to be instilled at primary school age


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