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Problem: Working on a Sunday
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Jester Minute wrote: »I also want to add something: there are worthy and necessary jobs that must be done Sunday: emergency services and caring professions, for example. But my main objection to Sunday work is this: by working in retail on a Sunday, I believe I would be playing a part in the de-sacralisation of Sunday, and I want no part in that. It feels wrong to me. However, I have a right to a retail job the rest of the week, and therefore I shall not be discriminated against in recruitment for a retail job based on my rejection of Sunday working based on religious and conscience reasons. Perhaps I should have explained that earlier. But that's the point I am trying to make. It's hard to get the message through though.
Says who?
You must tell all the people on the dole that, they'd love to know they have a right to a retail job.
Nobody cares why you can't work on a sunday. Either you can or can't, end of.then that's fine and no potential employer can reject me on that basis alone as that would be discrimination.0 -
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Jester Minute said:
How much of the historic 'Catholic State' do you see as ideal? Banning contraception? Burning heretics?The Catholic State is the ideal It is a state where temporal affairs are arranged in the best way according to Christian principals. The Second Vatican Council (imho) recognised that the age of the Catholic State is basically over and that we need to do things a little differently in this modern period we currently live in. But the Catholic State remains the ideal. The ideal is that a country is won over by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the citizens then order society in the very best way to attain heaven whilst living in the world.
It could well happen. The struggle for power is between the atheists, the Muslims and the RCs. The CoE and the mainline denominations are under the control of the atheists, as are the political parties - but Catholicism is still a big minority in the CoE and the parties. Islam is the dark horse, its small size being compensated by its zeal and ruthlessness. Protestantism is almost non-existent as a power in the land.The age of the catholic State may be over for now, but I still dream of the day when we shall see The United Catholic Kingdom of Britain and Ireland, with the old wounds long healed and all the citizens (individually and collectively) won over to the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
I see Ian Paisley has given a possible starting point for your dream:
Speaking in the Lords today, Ian Paisley senior came out in favour of a United Ireland. Another astonishing stage in the Big Man's evolution? Well not quite....Lord Bannside expressed his support for reunification under the British crown.
Referring to a letter in the Irish Independent in which the writer "invited Her Majesty
to come over and take the whole of Ireland under her control", the former DUP leader went on: "I am not going to throw such a bomb as that into the House today. But it's a very good thought and, if we all came together with Her Majesty at our head, I think we would do very well."
Presumably referring to the Battle of the Boyne he added "another king did that at a certain famous watering place that I will not mention here today."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markdevenport/2010/11/32_county_paisley.html
BTW, do you accept that the pope has dominion over Ireland and may subject it to any political power/nation he pleases?
In another work, the Metalogicus, this writer says:
At my solicitation [ad preces meas] he gave and granted Hibernia to Henry II, the illustrious King of England, to hold by hereditary right as his letter [which is extant] to this day testifies. For all islands of ancient right, according to the Donation of Constantine, are said to belong to the Roman Church, which he founded. He sent also by me a ring of gold, with the best of emeralds set therein, wherewith the investiture might be made for his governorship of Ireland, and that same ring was ordered to be and is still in the public treasury of the King....
The Donation of Adrian was subsequently recognized in many official writings, and the Pope for more than four centuries claimed the overlordship of Ireland In 1318 (1317?) Domhnall O'Neill and other kings and chieftains, and the whole laity of Ireland, forwarded to Pope John XXII a letter of appeal and protest. They state in the letter that Pope Adrian, induced by false representations, granted Ireland to Henry II, and enclose a copy of the Bull which the context shows was Laudabiliter. On 30 May, 1318, the Pope wrote from Avignon a letter of paternal advice to Edward II, urging him to redress the grievances of the Irish, and enclosed O'Neill's letters and "a copy of the grant which Pope Adrian is said to have made to Henry II." Edward II did not deny that he held under that grant. By an Act of the Irish Parliament (Parliament Roll, 7th Edward IV, Ann. 1467), after reciting that "as our Holy Father Adrian, Pope of Rome, was possessed of all sovereignty of Ireland in his demesne as of fee in the right of his Church of Rome, and with the intent that vice should be subdued had alienated the said land to the King of England . . . by which grant the said subjects of Ireland owe their allegiance to the King of England as their sovereign Lord", it was enacted "that all archbishops and bishops shall excommunicate all disobedient Irish subjects, and if they neglect to do so they shall forfeit £100." In 1555, by a consistorial decree followed by a Bull, Paul IV, on the humble supplication of Philip and Mary, erected into a kingdom the Island of Hibernia, of which, from the time that the kings of England obtained the dominion of it through the Apostolic See, they had merely called themselves Lords (Domini), without prejudice to the rights of the Roman Church and of any other person claiming to have right in it or to it. [Bull. Rom (ed. Turin.) VI, 489, 490.] In 1570 the Irish had offered or were about to offer the kingship of Ireland to Philip of Spain. The Archbishop of Cashel acted as their envoy. The project was communicated to the Pope through Cardinal Alciato, who wrote to the Archbishop of Cashel (9 June, 1570):
His Holiness was astonished that anything of the kind should be attempted without his authority since it was easy to remember that the kingdom of Ireland belonged to the dominion of the Church, was held as a fief under it, and could not therefore, unless by the Pope, be subjected to any new ruler. And the Pope, that the right of the Church may be preserved as it should be, says he will not give the letters you ask for the King of Spain. But if the King of Spain himself were to ask for the fief of that Kingdom in my opinion the Pope would not refuse. (Spicil. Ossor., ed. Card. Moran, I, 69).
In conclusion there is not in my judgment any controverted matter in history about which the evidence preponderates in favour of one view so decisively as about the Donation of Adrian.
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That Paisley quote made my day. See, he's not such a bad critter after all!
It could well happen. The struggle for power is between the atheists, the Muslims and the RCs. The CoE and the mainline denominations are under the control of the atheists, as are the political parties - but Catholicism is still a big minority in the CoE and the parties. Islam is the dark horse, its small size being compensated by its zeal and ruthlessness. Protestantism is almost non-existent as a power in the land.
I see Ian Paisley has given a possible starting point for your dream:
Speaking in the Lords today, Ian Paisley senior came out in favour of a United Ireland. Another astonishing stage in the Big Man's evolution? Well not quite....Lord Bannside expressed his support for reunification under the British crown.
Referring to a letter in the Irish Independent in which the writer "invited Her Majesty
to come over and take the whole of Ireland under her control", the former DUP leader went on: "I am not going to throw such a bomb as that into the House today. But it's a very good thought and, if we all came together with Her Majesty at our head, I think we would do very well."
Ireland is united with Britain, and King William converts to Catholicism! Bingo!:D
Catholics need to stop contracepting and aborting. If they don't, God will use Islam to persecute the Church.0 -
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