Huge waste of money by University

bigpink

spinandscribble wrote: »

You really need to get a better hold on the definition of "looking down". *leaving thread for good, I've to get ready for my waste of time day*

Why waste your day?

ClutchIt

bigpink wrote: »

Science,business with some tuning and cutting,id leave alone but chanting im sorry people should have to pay for that themselves

I did 2 years of business and being honest excpet 2 subjects but wassnt great thats why i left and to work also
If i had to pay a fee id prob wouldnt have gone to college till after working for a few years

English, now there's an art form you could certainly benefit from.

prinz

JonJoeDali wrote: »

As it is, UL is not a university AFAIC - they're a glorified polytechnic and should focus on training monkeys for the dwindling multinational interests in the area.

Did you not get the points for it or something? Yes it is a uni, and does a hell of a lot more than train monkeys for the area.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

She, thanks. How is that insulting anyone? My mother/boyfriend/some friends/other family are unemployed and have no problem with the course. Why do you seem to think you speak for every unemployed person in the country? That's fairly arrogant.

And stop calling it a hobby. It's not for a lot of people but again, just something else you refuse to consider.

They have no problem with a chanting course?
If i asked my mother/father/boyfriend/friends/people i work with im sure nearly all would call this a waste of money in the present time.If the taxpayer isnt paying for it i think they would say its fine

jimthemental

JonJoeDali wrote: »

If UL was a private institution, more power to them. But the fact is that UL are pretty much 100% state funded. Whilst I disagree with a lot of the stuff being said about the arts on this thread, I think that if you're going to remain 100% funded by the State, when told to jump you should ask "how high?". If UL made steps towards making themselves more independent, high level intellectual pursuits can be justified. As it is, UL is not a university AFAIC - they're a glorified polytechnic and should focus on training monkeys for the dwindling multinational interests in the area.

Okay I'm no major fan of the system down there but they are nowhere near 100% state funded due to Chuck Feeney's money plus the unbelievable parking and campus accommodation prices as well as funding gained through science development. High level intellectual pursuits can be justified of course if they are profitable and I think I have to say here that your monkeys comment was fairly out of line. They train a good portion of Ireland's scientists, engineers, accountants, nurses, teachers and now doctors so I think they've outgrown the polytechnic. As a graduate I'm fairly offended and just sitting here wondering what college you must have tied your high horse up at. Definitely one of the snobbiest posts I've seen.

bigpink

ClutchIt wrote: »

English, now there's an art form you could certainly benefit from.

How would i benefit?Always open to any ideas

JonJoeDali

prinz wrote: »

Yes it is a uni, and does a hell of a lot more than train monkeys for the area.

"uni"... Sounds like the way you'd refer to the university of East Anglia (which was a polytech until some egalitarian decided to tack "university" onto the front of the building in the biggest metal letters they could find - a bit like UL really).

And what do you mean by this "hell of a lot more than train monkeys for the area"?

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

They have no problem with a chanting course?
If i asked my mother/father/boyfriend/friends/people i work with im sure nearly all would call this a waste of money in the present time.If the taxpayer isnt paying for it i think they would say its fine

I edited to say my particular course. Haven't done a straw poll on them for this one. Also, hold on -- you work? I thought you were b.itching because you had no job and were a bit bitter at this job post. I kind of understood your viewpoint then (not understood but could excuse it). Now, seriously, I think your argument is just plain ridiculous.

I'm out too. This thread is an exercise in futility.

JonJoeDali

jimthemental wrote: »

Okay I'm no major fan of the system down there but they are nowhere near 100% state funded due to Chuck Feeney's money plus the unbelievable parking and campus accommodation prices as well as funding gained through science development. High level intellectual pursuits can be justified of course if they are profitable and I think I have to say here that your monkeys comment was fairly out of line. They train a good portion of Ireland's scientists, engineers, accountants, nurses, teachers and now doctors so I think they've outgrown the polytechnic. As a graduate I'm fairly offended and just sitting here wondering what college you must have tied your high horse up at. Definitely one of the snobbiest posts I've seen.

Who do you think paid for the carpark and the student residences? More like the Government investing in UL to lower the annual expenditure rather than UL investing in themselves.

PanchoVilla

Ok, so just found these lads on the Youtubes and it looks like Gregorian chant is big business. Their videos are getting 1,000,000+ views. May not be your cup of tea but there seems to be a lot of money to be made from this chanting business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_(band)

Here's a more traditional Gregorian chant. It's actually quite nice so don't really see why teaching it would be a waste of money.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

I edited to say my particular course. Haven't done a straw poll on them for this one. Also, hold on -- you work? I thought you were b.itching because you had no job and were a bit bitter at this job post. I kind or understood your viewpoint then (not understood but could excuse it). Now, seriously, I think your argument is just plain ridiculous.

I'm out too. This thread is an exercise in futility.

Im looking for extra work is that so wrong?
Well you should pm me what you say im curious to hear your side

If any of my family heard they were paying for a chanting course they would be "sad" as you say

How did you think people in hard times would view a chanting course?

ClutchIt

bigpink wrote: »

How would i benefit?Always open to any ideas

You could benefit from it by learning how to actually write legible posts.

Here's one you wrote earlier:

"Science,business with some tuning and cutting,id leave alone but chanting im sorry people should have to pay for that themselves

I did 2 years of business and being honest excpet 2 subjects but wassnt great thats why i left and to work also
If i had to pay a fee id prob wouldnt have gone to college till after working for a few years"

That's an absolutely awful post.

jimthemental

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Who do you think paid for the carpark and the student residences? More like the Government investing in UL to lower the annual expenditure rather than UL investing in themselves.

Nice, you just glossed over three quarters of my post. Initial investment came from State coffers more than likely but this is now turning over money every year which is getting pumped back into the university. I don't care what your views are on the University though, having gone there I know that it's better than that.

Everybody knows that Arts degrees are a much bigger waste.

bigpink

ClutchIt wrote: »

You could benefit from it by learning how to actually write legible posts.

Here's one you wrote earlier:

"Science,business with some tuning and cutting,id leave alone but chanting im sorry people should have to pay for that themselves

I did 2 years of business and being honest excpet 2 subjects but wassnt great thats why i left and to work also
If i had to pay a fee id prob wouldnt have gone to college till after working for a few years"

That's an absolutely awful post.

Im making quick and sharp points cause my blood is boiling over this waste of money
Whats your view on chanting good value or waste?

c_man

Y'know NUIG has a resident dancer?

*throws petrol on the fire*

c_man

c_man wrote: »

Y'know NUIG has a resident dancer?

*throws petrol on the fire*

As in a stripper?

Please say it's a stripper.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

I edited to say my particular course. Haven't done a straw poll on them for this one. Also, hold on -- you work? I thought you were b.itching because you had no job and were a bit bitter at this job post. I kind or understood your viewpoint then (not understood but could excuse it). Now, seriously, I think your argument is just plain ridiculous.

I'm out too. This thread is an exercise in futility.

May i ask what is your course?

JonJoeDali

jimthemental wrote: »

Nice, you just glossed over three quarters of my post. Initial investment came from State coffers more than likely but this is now turning over money every year which is getting pumped back into the university. I don't care what your views are on the University though, having gone there I know that it's better than that.

Fair play to ye.

c_man

Deleted User wrote: »

As in a stripper?

Please say it's a stripper.

Do they do naked sean os dancing nowadays?

prinz

JonJoeDali wrote: »

"uni"... Sounds like the way you'd refer to the university of East Anglia (which was a polytech until some egalitarian decided to tack "university" onto the front of the building in the biggest metal letters they could find - a bit like UL really).

What building would that be as a matter of interest?

JonJoeDali wrote: »

And what do you mean by this "hell of a lot more than train monkeys for the area"?

You don't have a clue about UL if you think all they do is pump out graduates to go up the road and work for Dell which seems to be what you are implying.

c_man

c_man wrote: »

Do they do naked sean os dancing nowadays?

No idea. But I plan on finding out now.

mojesius

Ugh. Just ugh.

I didn't think people were actually swallowing FF's 'smart economy' tripe.

Yeah, let's scrap any course which doesn't directly lead to work in a lab or a bank. Actually, let's replace our our brain cells with calculators and microchips while we're at it.

Sure what has music ever done for us as a country? The Fureys, The Dubliners, The Pogues, Rory Gallagher et al. - utter waste of space. Not forgetting the catastrophe of Riverdance and its spin-off shows, what a disaster.

billy the squid

bigpink wrote: »

So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?

Off the top of my head it brings in foreign students and their money.

bigpink

mojesius wrote: »

Ugh. Just ugh.

I didn't think people were actually swallowing FF's 'smart economy' tripe.

Yeah, let's scrap any course which doesn't directly lead to work in a lab or a bank. Actually, let's replace our our brain cells with calculators and microchips while we're at it.

Sure what has music ever done for us as a country? The Fureys, The Dubliners, The Pogues, Rory Gallagher et al. - utter waste of space. Not forgetting the catastrophe of Riverdance and its spin-off shows, what a disaster.

Deffo not a waste of space.but should taxpayers be paying for chanting?
I doubt any of them musicans got chanting courses paid for them

prinz

mojesius wrote: »

Not forgetting the catastrophe of Riverdance and its spin-off shows, what a disaster.

Good point, doubly so as Jean Butler was (possibly still is) heavily involved in that centre in UL too.

bigpink

So taxpayers should be paying for chanting courses over much needed other services?

If all the defenders here went down to a dole queue and asked them their opinion of a chanting course what reaction do ye think ye would get?

reprazant

bigpink wrote: »

I did 2 years of business and being honest excpet 2 subjects but wassnt great thats why i left and to work also

I like how this chanting course, which is a master course and therefore the attendees have to pay for it, is more of a waste then you doing 2 years and then dropping out, all funded by the taxpayer no doubt.

This truly is a pathetic thread.

bigpink

prinz wrote: »

Good point, doubly so as Jean Butler was (possibly still is) heavily involved in that centre in UL too.

So taxpayers should be paying for people to play music and dance?I f i want to do a hobby like that i would have to play for classes

bigpink

reprazant wrote: »

I like how this chanting course, which is a master course and therefore the attendees have to pay for it, is more of a waste then you doing 2 years and then dropping out, all funded by the taxpayer no doubt.

This truly is a pathetic thread.

I left after cert which is 2 years to go working.
Ive paid tax since 16
My parents have paid tax all there lives

If zero taxpayers money is spent on this school ive no problem with it

Sorry forgot all the good the chanters are doing

Millicent tell me what you wanted to say

prinz

bigpink wrote: »

I left after cert,ive paid tax since 16
my parents have paid tax all there lives

I'd never have been able to tell.

billy the squid

Ah sure lets close the universities altogether. all these graduates re going to do is emigrate anyway, right?

really, this thread is nine pages of stupid.

PeakOutput

bigpink wrote: »

I left after cert,ive paid tax since 16
my parents have paid tax all there lives

If zero taxpayers money is spent on this school ive no problem with it

well luckily for the country you having a problem with it means sweet **** all

its a masters course so students pay

that university receives massive amounts of philanthropy es[ecially for their projects like that music center so there may not be any tax payers money being spent

art and culture are invaluable to society

Johnny Derpp

Millicent wrote: »

What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? .

If education is going to be free then yes, the courses should be on a supply demand function.

Toes

Meh... CIT had a president that dropped 25K on a painting of himself. That money is gone forever, at least whoever gets the job will have to teach and will have some inherent value!

billy the squid

Johnny Derpp wrote: »

If education is going to be free then yes, the courses should be on a supply demand function.

It is the profits from the postgrad courses which help pay for the likes of the business school.

bigpink

PeakOutput wrote: »

well luckily for the country you having a problem with it means sweet **** all

its a masters course so students pay

that university receives massive amounts of philanthropy es[ecially for their projects like that music center so there may not be any tax payers money being spent

art and culture are invaluable to society

Dont curse at me i think i will have to report it
If theres no taxpayers money spent on this i have no problem with people having an interest in chanting

bigpink

billy the squid wrote: »

It is the profits from the postgrad courses which help pay for the likes of the business school.

That good to know.Im happy at that as long as no taxpyers money is used

You think thats a fair opinion?

ClutchIt

bigpink wrote: »

So taxpayers should be paying for chanting courses over much needed other services?

If all the defenders here went down to a dole queue and asked them their opinion of a chanting course what reaction do ye think ye would get?

Depends who you ask. If I asked a close-minded eegit type I would expect "blah blah blah waste of money.. taking our jobs yadda yadda yadda"

If I asked a rational easy going person they would probably say "each to their own, it's not affecting me.... why do you care?"

thebigbiffo

jesus OP there's tax money being spent on less worthwhile s'hite than this. it is essentially a music course and therefore has a value to society anyway, dispute that simple fact and you're just kidding yourself - and you've already wasted enough energy on this...

prinz

bigpink wrote: »

That good to know.Im happy at that as long as no taxpyers money is used. You think thats a fair opinion?

It's an opinion, that's about all that can be said for it. Any taxpayers money that is used to generate a profit has been well used IMO.

bigpink

ClutchIt wrote: »

Depends who you ask. If I asked a close-minded eegit type I would expect "blah blah blah waste of money.. taking our jobs yadda yadda yadda"

If I asked a rational easy going person they would probably say "each to their own, it's not affecting me.... why do you care?"

I agree but can you honestly say taxpayers should be paying for it over much needed services in other areas

There seems to be a snobbish superior attiude by people who defend the Arts tooth and nail than have feelings for normal people

Adyx

bigpink wrote: »

So taxpayers should be paying for chanting courses over much needed other services?

If all the defenders here went down to a dole queue and asked them their opinion of a chanting course what reaction do ye think ye would get?

I'm on the dole and to be honest I don't give a fcuk bout this. Why should I? If I had a job and my tax went to pay for this job, I still wouldn't give a fcuk. Seriously, is this is all you have to be worrying about?

Also music is not a "niche" area in this country. A lot more people make a living from music (of all types) than you think and a good percentage of them would have studied it at third level to get their jobs. Obviously it's been determined that there is a demand for this course, therefore it is not a waste just because you don't know what it's about. What is a waste is sending you on a business course only for you to drop out half way.

In any case, it was established earlier in the thread that this course will paid for through fees so you can save your taxes for something you think is useful.

krudler

mojesius wrote: »

Ugh. Just ugh.

I didn't think people were actually swallowing FF's 'smart economy' tripe.

Yeah, let's scrap any course which doesn't directly lead to work in a lab or a bank. Actually, let's replace our our brain cells with calculators and microchips while we're at it.

Sure what has music ever done for us as a country? The Fureys, The Dubliners, The Pogues, Rory Gallagher et al. - utter waste of space. Not forgetting the catastrophe of Riverdance and its spin-off shows, what a disaster.

The Pogues went to UL? well fcuk me you learn something new every day.

bigpink

thebigbiffo wrote: »

jesus OP there's tax money being spent on less worthwhile s'hite than this. it is essentially a music course and therefore has a value to society anyway, dispute that simple fact and you're just kidding yourself - and you've already wasted enough energy on this...

Ok what is the value of a chanting course?

bigpink

Adyx wrote: »

I'm on the dole and to be honest I don't give a fcuk bout this. Why should I? If I had a job and my tax went to pay for this job, I still wouldn't give a fcuk. Seriously, is this is all you have to be worrying about?

Also music is not a "niche" area in this country. A lot more people make a living from music (of all types) than you think and a good percentage of them would have studied it at third level to get their jobs. Obviously it's been determined that there is a demand for this course, therefore it is not a waste just because you don't know what it's about. What is a waste is sending you on a business course only for you to drop out half way.

In any case, it was established earlier in the thread that this course will paid for through fees so you can save your taxes for something you think is useful.

If not one penny of taxpayers money is used in this chanting course and the school its taught in i say chant on:)

I did 2 years and passed going on was an option thats not dropping out

billy the squid

bigpink wrote: »

That good to know.Im happy at that as long as no taxpyers money is used

You think thats a fair opinion?

I think paying for an undergrad only for them to drop out half way through their course is a bigger waste of money to be honest.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

Excuse me, me and my bloody English/music degree would beg to differ. What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? Are you just cribbing become someone is monopolising on a niche? Why shouldn't they?

ETA: Just double-checked and it's Gregorian chant. It's not exactly an obscure tradition OP. It's hundreds of years old and a fairly important part of music history and early theory.

Whats your course?
If your going to be a teacher i must say id give great respect,its a vocation

melekalikimaka

bigpink wrote: »

Well i hope so,cause i dont want to be paying for it
No problem with it is thats the way its run

i think theology is a waste of time, should that also be axed.... oh and irish... oh and investment banking...clearly that does nothing for our country.... seriously your opinion just sounds ridiculous

prinz

bigpink wrote: »

There seems to be a snobbish superior attiude by people who defend the Arts tooth and nail than have feelings for normal people

What I see is a 'reverse snobbery' along with an unhealthy side portion of shoulder chips.