Huge waste of money by University

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Come on chanting so no benefit,at least with english you could always teach

I didn't study performance chanting. If I had, you can be sure I'd be applying for that job. Having an in-depth knowledge of chanting could lead to a paid role as a choral master, a choral singer, a teacher, a critic, a specialised journalist, a lecturer, a scholar, a text book author etc. etc. Just because you can't see the potential of the course, doesn't mean there isn't any.

PeakOutput

Johnny Derpp wrote: »

If education is going to be free then yes, the courses should be on a supply demand function.

there is no demand for graduates at all right now, so sure jsut shut down the unis lets try again next year

billy the squid

bigpink wrote: »

Well if i asked anyone in my family would they support this i would be laughed out the door
So you think taxpayers should pay for all these niche courses?

The course is being funded by the students them selves, and through philanthropy, how many times will it require for you to be told this before it sinks in?

PeakOutput

bigpink wrote: »

Dont curse at me i think i will have to report it

knock yourself out, i starred at you there is a difference

K-9

Somethings never change, boom or recession.

They know the price of everything, the value of nothing.

My popcorn is finished.

billy the squid

I take it all back, this thread isn't nine pages of stupid ... its fourteen pages of stupid.

studiorat

bigpink wrote: »

So taxpayers should be paying for people to play music and dance?I f i want to do a hobby like that i would have to play for classes

Absolutely they should. Better than spending it on something useless like sport.

Dravokivich

bigpink wrote: »

Well if U.l can confirm that zero taxpayers money is spent on it,then ive no problem with it:) everyones happy

How the hell is that a problem?

Money goes to something that could possibly be paid out from taxes in some way...

OMG I PAY TAXES AND THINK THIS IS AN EPIC WASTE OF MY MONEY! WE MUST STOP THIS NOAW!

:rolleyes:

bigpink wrote: »

Come on chanting so no benefit,at least with english you could always teach

But the teacher must learn it first...

Lady von Purple

Millicent wrote: »

I didn't study performance chanting. If I had, you can be sure I'd be applying for that job. Having an in-depth knowledge of chanting could lead to a paid role as a choral master, a choral singer, a teacher, a critic, a specialised journalist, a lecturer, a scholar, a text book author etc. etc. Just because you can't see the potential of the course, doesn't mean there isn't any.

Thank you for posting this. It's a better articulated version of what I wanted to say.

Wompa1

Millicent wrote: »

I didn't study performance chanting. If I had, you can be sure I'd be applying for that job. Having an in-depth knowledge of chanting could lead to a paid role as a choral master, a choral singer, a teacher, a critic, a specialised journalist, a lecturer, a scholar, a text book author etc. etc. Just because you can't see the potential of the course, doesn't mean there isn't any.

It can lead to a job as those with further education required for most. I don't see a problem having it as long as it's self sufficent and isn't costing me any money.

I am one of those that belief fees and funding should be based on the most required fields for the country. e.g. a couple of years ago nobody was doing IT and there was a huge demand.

studiorat

Wompa1 wrote: »

It can lead to a job as those with further education required for most. I don't see a problem having it as long as it's self sufficent and isn't costing me any money.

I am one of those that belief fees and funding should be based on the most required fields for the country. e.g. a couple of years ago nobody was doing IT and there was a huge demand.

The quality of the IT students coming from universities is dire anyway. They just don't get taught well enough.

There was a recent article in the Irish Times about the anti-intellectualism that has been both historically and presently a problem in Irish education. It talked about "Grey philistines" taking over the universities.

“Imposing a research model derived from the physical sciences stultifies academic research in languages, history, literary criticism, political science, sociology and the policy sciences. This includes economics, the subject which our Government pathetically hopes will get us out of the trouble which anti-intellectualism got us into.”

If someone want's to study economics or if someone wants to study flower arranging or whatever else, they should be allowed to. Creating a situation where favored subjects get precedence over others will not work.

Ectoplasm

OP you are coming from a very biased and in my opinion narrow minded viewpoint. You are making a judgement of the 'value' of a course based on obvious monetary returns. Society and culture are not just a balance sheet, it is made up of much, much more than this. This course appears to you to be based around a hobby, which is a value judgement you've made based on, it seems to me, a perspective whereby cash is king in society. That is just not the case.

You argue over taxpayers money being wasted despite the fact that this is an MA course which is most likely largely self funded and wouldn't exist without some form of demand - although I will accept that perhaps some percentage of the money pumped into universities by the government is factored into the course, be it by means of a venue to hold the course or some other method.

The point I want to make is that just because you pay tax does NOT mean you get to make a decision on what is spent on. I hate paying tax, and there are any number of areas where 'my money' is spent that I dislike but it is all about the common good and not what suits me. Just because you don't see any good in this course doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

With reference to universities and free fees in general, I am of the opinion that it is not actually the best way of doing things. It's not a very popular opinion but I really do believe that if you want your universities to be great, really great bastions of education then you have to spend serious money on them. Money to attract the best and brightest to teach there, money to buy the latest technological innovations, deck out the greatest labs, money for grants and scholarships and research funds. I don't think you can get this kind of funding from the government who will always look to spend the bare minimum. I'm not saying Irish Universities are not good, I just think they could be better but it's unlikely to happen if we continue following the path of free fees - there are other ways of offering access and I also think at this point, the notion that college is 'free' in this country is laughable.