Player refusing penalty, what's your opinion?

mikemac

Just interested on opinions on this.

Defender executes a clean tackle in the penalty box but the referee awards a penalty.
In a display of fair play, the striker refuses it and convinces the ref to award the correct decision

However, is that the right thing to do?
Surely a professional footballer is being paid to win games. Jobs and careers depend on it.

Now in golf, players calls penalties on themselves. Competitions have been lost over this.
In the likes of tennis or baseball there are dodgy calls all the time and players argue for themselves and their team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6MYwokbhU

Just wondering.
I watched the video and initally though well done.
But then I thought if I was his manager or a supporter I may have been furious. Win at all cost attitude maybe

ShooterSF

Would you bad mouth the professional golf or snooker player calling a foul on themselves? No? So then a pro player should be able to correct the ref against themselves too.

FutureGuy

Bad refereeing to change his decision based on a players comments, yellow card for disagreeing with refs decision.

No doubting his incredible sportsmanship though.

Liam O

Sportsmanship should always take precedent over winning imo

listermint

Being totally honest it would make a refreshing change from all the diving and handbags stuff that goes on.

Twin-go

But, would a defender be as honest and tell the Ref that a penalty should be awarded?

yabadabado

Didn't Fowler tell a ref he made a wrong decision when he was playing for liverpool Vs Arsenal?iirc he told the ref it wasn't a peno but the ref stuck with his decision and Fowler took and scored the kick.

racso1975

Wow we have gone full circle from criticising players for diving to criticising them for not taken a wrongly award penalty.

dreamers75

What score was the match when the peno was given?

Columbia

Displays of sportmanship are good for the sport and good for the team. Anyone who says that they'd rather win by cheating is a posturing moron.

I'll never forget Paulo di Canio catching the ball against Everton with the 'keeper down injured, when he could have knocked it in if he wanted.

Wile E. Coyote

Did this not happen with Liverpool a few seasons ago? The ref thought Gerrard (i think) had been fouled and gave a penalty but Gerrard tried to convince him it was a fair tackle. In the end the penalty stood but was saved anyway.


Edit - I see Yabadabado got in there before me and actually remembered what happened.

Xavi6

As a defender I'd never admit to a referee I'd fouled a striker if he hadn't seen it and I wouldn't expect a striker to do the same if the roles were reversed.

Very honest and all that so fair play to him.

flahavaj

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Did this not happen with Liverpool a few seasons ago? The ref thought Gerrard (i think) had been fouled and gave a penalty but Gerrard tried to convince him it was a fair tackle. In the end the penalty stoop but was saved anyway.

Folwer AFAIR.

helimachoptor

Exactly if you need to cheat to win its not a win imo.

nicklauski

Was Robbie Fowler.

That year, he also won a UEFA Fair Play award for admitting that he had not been fouled by, Arsenal goalkeeper, David Seaman at Highbury after a penalty had been given.[15] After unsuccessfully trying to convince the referee to change his decision about the penalty Fowler took it tamely and Seaman saved. However, Seaman failed to hold on to the ball and Jason McAteer scored from the rebound.

I say fair play to the forward for doing it. It is good to see, as opposed to all the carry on that goes with trying to win penalties.

dan1895

IIRC Fowler took a lame penalty that Seaman parried only for Jason McAteer to hammer home the rebound. Think he may of got a fair play award for it too.

AnCapaillMor

Always had big respect for Fowler for doing that even after the 5 minute hat trick, i'm convinced he deliberately missed the penalty only for macateer the git to knock in the rebound.

roryc

Liam O wrote: »

Sportsmanship should always take precedent over winning imo

A quote from the great Thierry Henry there

Warper

The only reason I would be pissed off with the guy for not taking it would be if I had money on them.

Otherwise he should be applauded for doing the right thing.

inforfun

I think this was a penalty....

bobbysands81

Columbia wrote: »

Displays of sportmanship are good for the sport and good for the team. Anyone who says that they'd rather win by cheating is a posturing moron.

I'll never forget Paulo di Canio catching the ball against Everton with the 'keeper down injured, when he could have knocked it in if he wanted.

People go on about that as if DiCanio had a tap in to score when it was much more than that and he could easily have missed.

ITT-Pat

dan1895 wrote: »

IIRC Fowler took a lame penalty that Seaman parried only for Jason McAteer to hammer home the rebound. Think he may of got a fair play award for it too.

Can anybody find a clip of this by any chance? I vaguely remember McAteer having a conversation with Fowler before he took the peno

greendom

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Did this not happen with Liverpool a few seasons ago? The ref thought Gerrard (i think) had been fouled and gave a penalty but Gerrard tried to convince him it was a fair tackle. In the end the penalty stood but was saved anyway.


Edit - I see Yabadabado got in there before me and actually remembered what happened.

Are you sure it was Gerard - he dives a fair bit to gain an advantage. I'm sure he wouldn't turn down a penalty, whatever the circumstances.

Soby

ITT-Pat wrote: »

Can anybody find a clip of this by any chance? I vaguely remember McAteer having a conversation with Fowler before he took the peno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1sU12e3j5I

Skip to 2:10
Audio is out of sync and sounds like a robot getting raped in the background

Wile E. Coyote

greendom wrote: »

Are you sure it was Gerard - he dives a fair bit to gain an advantage. I'm sure he wouldn't turn down a penalty, whatever the circumstances.

It was Fowler that did it. Would I be right in saying he ended up getting sent off in the next match?

SantryRed

Liam O wrote: »

Sportsmanship should always take precedent over winning imo

That's what losers say

yahoo_moe

Twin-go wrote: »

But, would a defender be as honest and tell the Ref that a penalty should be awarded?

Interesting point.

I'd go the other way though and ask people who want the advantage to think about how they feel when it's their team that suffers from someone not calling a foul against themselves.

If the culture of the game changed to the point where players who accepted penalties dishonestly were pilloried in the media and by fans (even banned afterwards), then all teams would benefit as well as miss out.

So the real difference overall (i.e. not in any one match) would be a better, fairer sport.

brick tamland

I never understood the fowler getting that fair play award

1st of all he dived and then he tried to score the penalty ( i'm not buying the missed on purpose lark ) and as you can see he went to try knock the rebound in too after Seaman saved it, its just Trigger got there before him

Fair play to the bloke in the OP, similar to the Di Canio incident at Evertonfor me

Crash Bang Wall

yabadabado wrote: »

Didn't Fowler tell a ref he made a wrong decision when he was playing for liverpool Vs Arsenal?iirc he told the ref it wasn't a peno but the ref stuck with his decision and Fowler took and scored the kick.

I think Fowler actually missed the peno but McAteer scored the rebound....or maybe it was a different match, cant remember

PHB

Did anybody else think that it was a penalty?

GLaDOS

PHB wrote: »

Did anybody else think that it was a penalty?

Yeah I did, the defender seems to wrap his leg around and catch the player before getting the ball. Awkward as **** tackle

CiaranC

Liam O wrote: »

Sportsmanship should always take precedent over winning imo

I agree with this for everyone else, but certainly not for my team

Mars Bar

I think that's a class tackle! It kinda looks two footed but it was never going to be dangerous as he didn't have studs showing. He used his body well to come out with it and he has the ball almost at his feet when he's finished which is more than can be said for some other tackles...

mikemac

PHB wrote: »

Did anybody else think that it was a penalty?

No way, it was a great tackle

PHB

He gets the man before the ball. In effect, he went through the player to get the ball.

Dublin_Gunner

Technically, the ref shouln't go back on his decision.

However, the penalty taker could just pass it back to the 'keeper.

But definitely, sportsmanship should take precedence.

tolosenc

You shouldn't disagree with the ref, but that said sportsmanship needs to be congratulated. Rivaldo and Busquets are two real examples of the bad side becoming more and more pervasive in the game.

inforfun

inforfun wrote: »

I think this was a penalty....

PHB wrote: »

Did anybody else think that it was a penalty?

You are not alone in this...

That Fowler one would be a nice one for recent times as you can be assured the Pornstar would have been sent off nowadays.

daveyboy_1ie

PHB wrote: »

Did anybody else think that it was a penalty?

Was reading the entire thread seeing if anyone else mentioned this, I genuinly think it was one, I am fairly shocked the attacker did what he did.

In regards the Fowler incident, I always thought he made a mess of the dive (I know this comment is going to start a war of words) but Fowler like most good strikers had a history of going over easy shall we say. However this time he made a mess of the dive and the fact that it was an English colleague (Seaman) as Arsenal keeper made him suddenly remember he had dived. This was my first impressions watching it that night and I have never seen anything to change my mind.

eZe^

Rofl at people praising Fowler's fair play, surely if he was that morally outraged at the decision he could have blazed it over the bar, instead of giving his team mates a chance to capitalise on the referee's wrong decision.

Dolph Starbeam

I'm sure Shearer did the same thing when he won a penalty, he told the ref it was the wrong call but the ref wouldn't listen, then Shearer tucked away the penalty. Hard call for me, fair play to the forward for being so honest but if it was me i'd take what i get, as said earlier would a defender admit to a fouling someone in the box if the ref didn;t see it, not a hope.

honeymonster

Fairplay to the lad for being honest. If I was in his shoes Id take the penalty. Its you job to win within the rules of the game.

If the tables were the other way around I doubt many players would be that honest.

M5

The guy deserves a medal not a reprimand. A role model for how things should be, makes a change from the likes of Ronaldo rolling around on the floor with the slightest contact

pickarooney

I think by the letter of the law it might well have been a penalty, but it's a ****ty letter as essentially it was the kind of clean, swashbuckling tackle we don't see enough of.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Arshavin tried to deny himself a peno too the other season against Pompey iirc. Ref still gave and it was still scored though.