Full body scanners prove devisive

bobblepuzzle

Video: http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/11/15/ac.anger.at.airport.screenings.cnn

Whats your view on this?

Would you be willing to submit to this if going to fly somewhere?

I think this is a step to far, an invasion of privacy to the extreme....

easyeason3

Can't download the video. Can you explain it a bit more?

Stercus Accidit

The statistics used to measure the level of radioactive exposure you receive in this machines was inaccurately portrayed. Also, I saw an article just today where 35,000 images had been stored by a machine used in a courthouse.

They are not proven to be safe and have been proven not to be private.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126833083

http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

tommyboy2222

So Neil Prenderville was just really, really making sure that there wasn't a bomb attached to his cock then ?

johnn

What if its a cold day, I wouldn't want an unfair representation of myself being put out there to the hot female security.





































.....of me cawk size.

KINGVictor

I like the part where the journalist said " It will be sexual assualt if you weren't government"...sounds true to me..

df1985

id rather a pat-down than going through one of these scanners.problem is if everyone wants a patdown you're looking at major delays getting through security.

Why arent other forms of transport subject to such stringent checks? you could get on a bus/train tomorrow with a bomb in your bag no problem.

Ganymede Glow

Priests will leave the holy life behind and start working in airports

bobblepuzzle

df1985 wrote: »

id rather a pat-down than going through one of these scanners.problem is if everyone wants a patdown you're looking at major delays getting through security.

Why arent other forms of transport subject to such stringent checks? you could get on a bus/train tomorrow with a bomb in your bag no problem.

Getting 200+ people on a bus might be difficult.... also, to attack aviation causes a problem for economies because of the fear factor...

Overheal

You're about 6 months late to this topic.

http://consumerist.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&limit=20&search=tsa

The first 3 results pages are probably the most relevant

Chuchoter

Disagree. Its an enormous breach of privacy (especially for transpeople) and its dangerous. X-rays are things you don't want to be going near unless you absolutely have to.

MardiB

Are you sure some of you are not just gonna miss the pat downs and dare I say the most action ye get;)

lil_lisa

Yeah, there's a lot of talk about that over here, all over the news.

I would have a problem with someone grabbing me in places I didn't want them to, even if its the government, but having gone through San Diego airport just a few weeks ago, the part down was very basic, no funny business at all.

I guess those screens should definitely be reviewed though!

biko

How good are they really?
German show with English subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idICUSiGcqo

lil_lisa

There are no subtitles, I can't understand what they're pointing at

Cheap Thrills!

Honestly can't see the problem. We're all the same. I mean who cares?

Some stranger can see a 3D picture of ya......so what. It's a stranger you'll never see again and anyway they're looking at thousands of people all day.

Like going to the Doctor, they've seen it ALL before.

Ghost Train

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tsa.jpg

Fluorescence

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Honestly can't see the problem. We're all the same. I mean who cares?

Some stranger can see a 3D picture of ya......so what. It's a stranger you'll never see again and anyway they're looking at thousands of people all day.

Like going to the Doctor, they've seen it ALL before.

Thing is, you choose to go to the doctor. You decide to let them see whatever for your health's sake. These body scanners just show how our society has taken paranoia to the extreme. X-rays will just cause more problems than they'll solve.

To be honest, I don't really care about the invasion of privacy; I just feel these scanners are one of many very sad indications of the future (along with many people's need to disinfect every single surface of their home for example). How depressing.

BoB_BoT

biko wrote: »

How good are they really?
German show with English subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idICUSiGcqo

So what they're proving is, these scanners don't work on the obese?
That could lead to all sorts of discrimination.... :P

Manic Moran

I would have a problem with someone grabbing me in places I didn't want them to, even if its the government, but having gone through San Diego airport just a few weeks ago, the part down was very basic, no funny business at all.

That's the catch, then.

The reason this is back in the news is that the alternative to the scanner was a fairly mild pat-down. The pat-down process changed a week or two ago to be a little more thorough, so people who are opting out of the scanner are instead being a little more intimately investigated, bringing the entire issue back into the limelight.

To a point, if you're going to have a pat-down, make it a thorough one or don't bother at all.

Then again, it's also impossible to completely seal off an aircraft and its passengers to any practical level, so maybe inspecting for contraband isn't the best way of ensuring safety.

Perhaps a more 'insh'Allah' attitude is required. We all accept that every time we strap ourselves into a car we run the risk of being killed by a drunk driver. Happens often enough. We should just accept that every time we strap ourselves into an airplane we run the risk of getting blowed up by a Jihadist. If we accept that fate, then the terrorist concept of striking fear of death just doesn't work any more.

NTM

biko

lil_lisa wrote: »

There are no subtitles, I can't understand what they're pointing at

Press the little button that says CC, that's the subtitles.

Cheap Thrills!

fluorescence wrote: »

Thing is, you choose to go to the doctor. You decide to let them see whatever for your health's sake.

Yeh, and if I choose to travel, I accept I have to submit to whatever security checks the airline sees fit. I don't think I'm so important as an individual that somehow the sight of my ....erm 'junk' will make their day.

fluorescence wrote: »

These body scanners just show how our society has taken paranoia to the extreme. X-rays will just cause more problems than they'll solve.

But they're needed. If we want to continue to travel, that's the trade-off.

fluorescence wrote: »

To be honest, I don't really care about the invasion of privacy;

Me neither. People whinging about this need to get over themselves. Reminds me of Diana Ross a few years back at Heathrow and her hysterical Prima Donna carry on. Embarassing. No individual is that interesting or important that they don't have to obey the security rules.

fluorescence wrote: »

I just feel these scanners are one of many very sad indications of the future (along with many people's need to disinfect every single surface of their home for example). How depressing.

I'd say one of the very many sad indications of our present.

longshanks

I'm not bothered by those machines, usually if someone wants to see me naked all they have to do is ask. If I'm drunk they mightn't even have to do that, I volunteer the information.

Fluorescence

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Yeh, and if I choose to travel, I accept I have to submit to whatever security checks the airline sees fit. I don't think I'm so important as an individual that somehow the sight of my ....erm 'junk' will make their day.

I doubt airport security will care at all tbh. All they'll be seeing from what I understand is a blurry outline. Like I said this facet doesn't bother me at all

But they're needed. If we want to continue to travel, that's the trade-off.

Are they?

Cheap Thrills!

fluorescence wrote: »

Are they?

Must be, I'm sure they cost a few bob and stop people smuggling bombs in their....bums. Bumbs as they're called. :cool:

Craebear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8pd0fDNaA

Tigger

In that latest film by the fella who shagged a child ages ago the British ex prime Minster says a good thing

He says. There should be two ques one for people that want airport security and one for those who dont

I know which flight I'd want

lil_lisa

So the question here is, how far is too far?

When they're stopping people going between countries or states in their own cars or public buses and giving them a "groin check" in the middle of the street?

When they start scanning your checked luggage?

When they start scanning all emails and phone calls within the country and internationa...wait a sec, they already do this!

Of course there should be a line between security and privacy but there's always gonna be one person to mess it up for the rest of us!

I usually have nothing to hide, I don't really care, but I do have a problem having to possibly explain to my future children why the school janitor can't touch you there but the TSA officer has every right!

sligopark

Any safety issues to these scanners?

Sisko

They can't call it the land of the free anymore, they just can't.

krudler

I went through one in San Francisco a few weeks ago, the sign saying you could choose to have a pat down instead was TINY and I didnt even realise you had the option until after I went through, given the choice I'd have taken the pat down, wont be going through one again next time I head over there. I did see one guy getting searched as i was putting my shoes back on and they were being fairly thorough, not pulling out the rubber glove thorough but not a quick pat down either.

Leeg17

krudler wrote: »

I went through one in San Francisco a few weeks ago, the sign saying you could choose to have a pat down instead was TINY and I didnt even realise you had the option until after I went through, given the choice I'd have taken the pat down, wont be going through one again next time I head over there. I did see one guy getting searched as i was putting my shoes back on and they were being fairly thorough, not pulling out the rubber glove thorough but not a quick pat down either.

Aw dammit. Scanner for me so

Sticky_Fingers

krudler wrote: »

I went through one in San Francisco a few weeks ago, the sign saying you could choose to have a pat down instead was TINY and I didnt even realise you had the option until after I went through, given the choice I'd have taken the pat down, wont be going through one again next time I head over there. I did see one guy getting searched as i was putting my shoes back on and they were being fairly thorough, not pulling out the rubber glove thorough but not a quick pat down either.

Out of interest was he a white guy?

upandcumming

Did anyone look at the links in the second post? Who cares if thats all they can see!

Bookworm85

That guys full story is here on his blog.

Interesting the way they treated him afterwards.

AnonoBoy

Being an exhibitionist I cannot wait to go through one of these scanners.

Can I request a pat down as well though?

Wompa1

I'd go through one. Who cares. Everyone knows the deal, Its been in the pipe line for so long. I'd know before I'd travel it's a possibility. I was actually in San Diego airport and didn't have to go through it but saw people going through without complaint.

Airport security is a necessary burden.

orourkeda

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

So Neil Prenderville was just really, really making sure that there wasn't a bomb attached to his cock then ?

Then he went and dropped the proverbial jerk bomb on the world.

Wompa1

Anybody else get the opinion this guy knew what he was doing and wanted this to happen. He was very well prepared it seems and very quick to blog about it and get the video out there. Seemed to be released to the press very quick too...

AnonoBoy

Is it illegal to use a recording device while going through security?

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Is it illegal to use a recording device while going through security?

A pilot a few weeks ago recorded some interactions with security and posted them to youtube. I reckon if you're going to do it, make sure its on the sly

Boom_Bap

if you listen carefully to the video's, you can hear a tic toc noise coming from the guys shaft.
TSA - mission accomplished.

scientific1982

Wouldnt bother me in the slightest.