Limerick Businesses Opening

realdanbreen

snowcat wrote: »

Phileas Frog wrote: »

They bring delicious kebabs. What more do you want?

Do you expect every business opening to bring something to the city? What exactly should they bring???

He should have got planning permission to start with. Applying for retention now.

If he has influence / money then planning permission won't be a problem. It's also a disgraceful state of affairs that whichever planner gets your application can determine the outcome. I have witnessed public representatives grovelling to a planner on the phone in order to get an answer to a legitimate question.

Reputable Rog

realdanbreen wrote: »

If he has influence / money then planning permission won't be a problem. It's also a disgraceful state of affairs that whichever planner gets your application can determine the outcome. I have witnessed public representatives grovelling to a planner on the phone in order to get an answer to a legitimate question.

Tell us more.

stefanovich

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Tell us more.

This sounds like something an investigative journalist would look into.

jjoconoor

Cityslicker1 wrote: »

I've noticed they've sectioned off the buildings to commence work for the proposed rugby museum on O'Connell Street . I can't understand why the demolition of a number of Georgian buildings was approved - Are they not protected structures? Surely they could incorporate the museum into the current structures as the design for the new building has no character and does not blend in with the streetscape.

Take the AIB building and the George hotel across the street as examples which were once ornate Georgian buildings that are now gone and replaced with the soulless ugly blocks that stand today. The same can be said for the Pennys building, Brown Thomas, Bank of Ireland, Cruises street which was Cruises Hotel - once ornate landmarks in the city centre but now ugly eyesores.

Limerick has the most extensive Georgian architecture outside of Dublin in Ireland that should be protected and maintained - it's disappointing to see it being chipped away.

People need to let go of the past. Yes Georgian buildings are important etc but why should the past stand in front of the future? You can be sure the opera centre,and the new Ul building will be held up by some old fart saying it has a negative impact on the heritage ****e. This city has been held random but nay sayers for long enough. If someone is willing to invest/build then why should one person of no significance stand in their way!? (Hopefully no spelling errors- phone screen is damaged and hard to see )

godfrey

Cityslicker1 wrote: »

I've noticed they've sectioned off the buildings to commence work for the proposed rugby museum on O'Connell Street . I can't understand why the demolition of a number of Georgian buildings was approved - Are they not protected structures? Surely they could incorporate the museum into the current structures as the design for the new building has no character and does not blend in with the streetscape.

Take the AIB building and the George hotel across the street as examples which were once ornate Georgian buildings that are now gone and replaced with the soulless ugly blocks that stand today. The same can be said for the Pennys building, Brown Thomas, Bank of Ireland, Cruises street which was Cruises Hotel - once ornate landmarks in the city centre but now ugly eyesores.

Limerick has the most extensive Georgian architecture outside of Dublin in Ireland that should be protected and maintained - it's disappointing to see it being chipped away.

Yeah, all these magnificent examples should be kept, then left empty or derelict, as they're not suitable for modern accommodation. Great idea.

Phileas Frog

jjoconoor wrote: »

People need to let go of the past. Yes Georgian buildings are important etc but why should the past stand in front of the future? You can be sure the opera centre,and the new Ul building will be held up by some old fart saying it has a negative impact on the heritage ****e. This city has been held random but nay sayers for long enough. If someone is willing to invest/build then why should one person of no significance stand in their way!? (Hopefully no spelling errors- phone screen is damaged and hard to see )

I've been asking that very same question for years. How long do we need to keep the old uninhabited buildings for? Is it until they begin to fall down?

Same applies to Curragower House...

realdanbreen

stefanovich wrote: »

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Tell us more.

This sounds like something an investigative journalist would look into.

Apparently Joe Duffy is going to have it on his show today so that's it then, problem solved. !

TheDiceMan2020

Phileas Frog wrote: »

I've been asking that very same question for years. How long do we need to keep the old uninhabited buildings for? Is it until they begin to fall down?

Same applies to Curragower House...

How about initiatives to restore them? Our Georgian quarter could be magnificent if people, including our government, had any appreciation for it.

banie01

TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »

How about initiatives to restore them? Our Georgian quarter could be magnificent if people, including our government, had any appreciation for it.

Restore them as what though?
Our Georgian quarter is beautiful, it is a significant survivor of the late 17 early 1800's.

From a practical standpoint they are buildings that are 200 years old.
Do we keep them all?
Do we force the owners to spend significant sums on upgrade and retrofit to make them more useful and amenable to current building and habitation standards?
Do we ensure those refits are grant aided? Thereby leaving the Taxpayer to foot the bill?
With the attendant price gouging that associates any grant aided scheme in Ireland?

The vast majority of our Georgian stock is 4 storey red brick identikit, that is simply not economically viable to upgrade.
Floor space, disabled access, floor design and use, energy efficiency and a myriad of other issues.
The drive to make Limerick a living city, vibrant and with people living in the city centre.
Isn't really compatible with low density development that comes with restoration.

What do we keep?
The facades? And rebuild with completely modern build behind those?
The entire building? To what purpose, cost and use?

If I was to make the call, it would be a case of facades only being retained.
And even then for much of Georgian Limerick accessibility would remain a significant issue due to step access.

Retaining buildings simply because they are old is not really a viable option.
Upgrading the buildings is also not a runner solely on cost and utility basis.
So do we strive to keep the "character" while pushing for higher density, utility and lower cost?

Or load ridiculous costs for upgrading low utility buildings on to the owners and taxpayers?
There is a significant amount of city centre land that will never be profitably developed to it's potential whilst there is such a huge push to keep what are basically the buildings of a 200yo housing estate.

mdmix

Many people keep spouting nonsense about it being too costly to restore these buildings. There is a government grant that gives 100% tax credit on any restoration of buildings over 100 years old within the inner city. Unfortunately we have a bunch of people sitting on assets they don’t want to sell or upgrade, they need to be taxed to encourage this.

Other nonsense people keep spouting is that it’s cheaper to demolish and rebuild. While that may be true in certain cases, it won’t be cheaper to demolish and rebuild high quality high density energy efficient buildings. What you will end up with is something cheap that looks similar to what was there before (size wise at least) that will end up looking worse in 20 years time. Cruises street is a perfect example of this.

banie01

mdmix wrote: »

Many people keep spouting nonsense about it being too costly to restore these buildings. There is a government grant that gives 100% tax credit on any restoration of buildings over 100 years old within the inner city. Unfortunately we have a bunch of people sitting on assets they don’t want to sell or upgrade, they need to be taxed to encourage this.

Other nonsense people keep spouting is that it’s cheaper to demolish and rebuild. While that may be true in certain cases, it won’t be cheaper to demolish and rebuild high quality high density energy efficient buildings. What you will end up with is something cheap that looks similar to what was there before (size wise at least) that will end up looking worse in 20 years time. Cruises street is a perfect example of this.

The tax incentive currently available only applies to residences that are the owners PPR for pre 1915 houses.
It allows a 10% per annum offset over 10 yrs.
How much of Georgian Limerick is single owner residential?

bigpink

Wasn’t there an urban living scheme and 2 people applied

mdmix

banie01 wrote: »

The tax incentive currently available only applies to residences that are the owners PPR for pre 1915 houses.
It allows a 10% per annum offset over 10 yrs.
How much of Georgian Limerick is single owner residential?

https://www.limerick.ie/council/services/housing/tax-relief-initiative/living-city-initiative-limerick

The scheme was updated in 2017 to allow rented and commercial properties. It allows you to claim back over 7 years if a landlord or 5 years if owner occupier.

banie01

mdmix wrote: »

https://www.limerick.ie/council/services/housing/tax-relief-initiative/living-city-initiative-limerick

The scheme was updated in 2017 to allow rented and commercial properties. It allows you to claim back over 7 years if a landlord or 5 years if owner occupier.

Thanks for the link.
Still requires a significant capital outlay on what is to all intents and purposes building stock that is unfit for modern use.

The costs associated with upgrading a building are huge.
Take a look through the costs incurred on the 101 refurb for an example.
It's fine if you have a high turnover to offset the tax against,not so useful if the building is your asset and your income depends on it being tenanted.

From a housing standpoint, couple those costs with the restrictions on multiple occupancy and minimum apartment sizes.

Those restrictions mean that for any refurbishment to be cost effective, they will need to be sold on as either single dwellings with a million euro plus price tag.
Which won't invoke a huge demand in Limerick City center.

Even consolidation of multiple buildings in a manner similar to that undertaken in the Globe and the Old County council building whilst allowing a more practical use of the floorspace,does not actually provide any other benefit or increase potential housing density.

Or do we allow use to continue as offices/commercial with all the inherent limitations that come with a 200y.o building.

Practicality and cost effectiveness are important.
You point to Cruises St as the likely outcome, whereas I'd point to it as a specific and local example of exactly what needs to be avoided.

mdmix

banie01 wrote: »

Thanks for the link.
Still requires a significant capital outlay on what is to all intents and purposes building stock that is unfit for modern use.

The costs associated with upgrading a building are huge.
Take a look through the costs incurred on the 101 refurb for an example.
It's fine if you have a high turnover to offset the tax against,not so useful if the building is your asset and your income depends on it being tenanted.

From a housing standpoint, couple those costs with the restrictions on multiple occupancy and minimum apartment sizes.

Those restrictions mean that for any refurbishment to be cost effective, they will need to be sold on as either single dwellings with a million euro plus price tag.
Which won't invoke a huge demand in Limerick City center.

Even consolidation of multiple buildings in a manner similar to that undertaken in the Globe and the Old County council building whilst allowing a more practical use of the floorspace,does not actually provide any other benefit or increase potential housing density.

Or do we allow use to continue as offices/commercial with all the inherent limitations that come with a 200y.o building.

Practicality and cost effectiveness are important.
You point to Cruises St as the likely outcome, whereas I'd point to it as a specific and local example of exactly what needs to be avoided.

101, and the various bars associated with it, is a huge premises. Not sure the cost but it looks expensive and it looks like it paid off.

As for min apartment sizes, these have been done away with.

Retrofitting buildings into offices is easy, I have worked on projects like these from an IT point of view, once the building is habitable it’s fine.

I think the main issue is people who own property in town who are simply happy to sit on it. If not surely we would either be seeing mass renovations, planning applications or for sale signs. Nothing will change unless these properties are taxed as they are vacant.

Re cruises st, How do we avoid a repeat of cruises street when developers are only interested in building low quality cheap buildings

Edit: I should add that I haven’t been involved in any projects in a Georgian building, but so long as it’s habitable, the building shouldn’t matter.

Cherrycoke

Looks like work is going on in the old Brunch unit on Upper William St. (Beside Browsers).

Also a new hair salon on High Street, called Fab. Where the diy shop was.

Poxyshamrock

Cherrycoke wrote: »

Looks like work is going on in the old Brunch unit on Upper William St. (Beside Browsers).

Also a new hair salon on High Street, called Fab. Where the diy shop was.

It was mentioned here before that the Buttery is going into the old Brunch unit.

Brunch was a great spot when it opened first.

Poxyshamrock

Cherrycoke wrote: »

Looks like work is going on in the old Brunch unit on Upper William St. (Beside Browsers).

Also a new hair salon on High Street, called Fab. Where the diy shop was.

It was mentioned here before that the Buttery is going into the old Brunch unit.

Brunch was a great spot when it opened first.

TheDiceMan2020

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

It was mentioned here before that the Buttery is going into the old Brunch unit.

Brunch was a great spot when it opened first.

Are the Buttery opening a second unit or moving from Bedford Row?

Cherrycoke

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

It was mentioned here before that the Buttery is going into the old Brunch unit.

Brunch was a great spot when it opened first.

Sorry, I didn't see that

Yeah it sure was, they used to do a mean club sambo. It's good to have a new offering at that side of town. Especially on the weekends, when there seems to be queues out the door in almost every cafe for brekkie.

Jofspring

Aren't browsers also opening a cafe upstairs?

lockman

Treaty City Brewery opens its doors on Nicholas street.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/418255/bottoms-up-treaty-city-opens-microbrewery-in-limerick.html?fbclid=IwAR11Zos38qz-5zV6EiuY1GiD94b1UMK77bxBFwD5rCWzmYufGhFAG3fxo_c#.XOO4HrjQhHM.facebook

CosmicFool

lockman wrote: »

Treaty City Brewery opens its doors on Nicholas street.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/418255/bottoms-up-treaty-city-opens-microbrewery-in-limerick.html?fbclid=IwAR11Zos38qz-5zV6EiuY1GiD94b1UMK77bxBFwD5rCWzmYufGhFAG3fxo_c#.XOO4HrjQhHM.facebook

Got in straight away and booked tickets. Really looking forward to seeing the premises. From what they've put up on Instagram it looks great.

bigpink

lockman wrote: »

Treaty City Brewery opens its doors on Nicholas street.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/418255/bottoms-up-treaty-city-opens-microbrewery-in-limerick.html?fbclid=IwAR11Zos38qz-5zV6EiuY1GiD94b1UMK77bxBFwD5rCWzmYufGhFAG3fxo_c#.XOO4HrjQhHM.facebook

Will it become a hipster area now I wonder.

pebbletroy

bigpink wrote: »

Will it become a hipster area now I wonder.

Great to see some life coming to that area of the city
Hipsters more than welcome 😂

bigpink

pebbletroy wrote: »

Great to see some life coming to that area of the city
Hipsters more than welcome 😂

True altho you want some realness to an area too

You had to throw that dig in

Insect Overlord

bigpink wrote: »

True altho you want some realness to an area too

What's more real than consumers purchasing and enjoying a product they actually enjoy, or learning about how that product is made?

bigpink

Insect Overlord wrote: »

What's more real than consumers purchasing and enjoying a product they actually enjoy, or learning about how that product is made?

There is a snobbery to craft beer you not find?

bigpink

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

You had to throw that dig in

Not a dig just an opinion do we want to push out local people?
It’s more in jest I said hipster you know the stereotypes
Good solid local business maybe even an independent street no chains