An Garda Siochana - Do you respect them?

johnn

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well guys how about a new line of thinking, did you think that the heavy handed tactics of the garda towards protesters tonight were justified?

Yeah all these posters who are obviously Gardai IMO didn't feel the need to start a thread on this topic :rolleyes: also they were battering students last week with batons, real big men.

johnn

angelfire9 wrote: »

My husband had a malicious complaint made against him by a woman who's son he arrested
She accused him of assaulting her the day following the arrest while executing a search warrant on their house
The ombudsman was notified and it could have spelt disaster for him but for the small fact that he wasn't even on duty at the time of the alleged incident :cool:

Well what exactly are you saying he did assault her and got away with it? Also what was he doing barging into the woman's house if he wasn't on duty

steddyeddy

johnn wrote: »

Well what exactly are you saying he did assault her and got away with it? Also what was he doing barging into the woman's house if he wasn't on duty

I was thinking thay myself how did he initiate a search while being off duty

steddyeddy

angelfire9 wrote: »

I find this post offensive
With the exception of those muppets in Donegal most Gardai I know would co-operate with the investigation of a genuine complaint against another cop

Then again I actually KNOW the Gardai i have spent my entire life around cops

All the more reason why you wouldnt encounter their heavy handedness

K-9

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

johnn

K-9 wrote: »

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

probably at the gym polishing their gunz.

steddyeddy

K-9 wrote: »

Have to say I was surprised at how few people were there? 20/30 at most, was it?

Where do all the keyboard warriors disappear to at times like this?

and yet the gaurda used heavy handed tactics, why? Please dont use the seige defense.

angelfire9

steddyeddy wrote: »

I was thinking thay myself how did he initiate a search while being off duty

It was a MALICIOUS complaint
They happen all the time you know!

Her son was arrested on say Jan 1st
Her house was searched on Jan 2nd
She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st) of assaulting her on Jan 2nd during the execution of the warrant when in fact on Jan 2nd my husband was attending a wedding with me over 200 miles from her house

It was sorted out eventually but if he had been on duty on the 2nd of Jan then all hell would have broken lose!

steddyeddy wrote: »

All the more reason why you wouldnt encounter their heavy handedness

That is BS
I live in Clare am still living in the town I grew up in and I know maybe 60% of the cops in Ennis (though that number is dwindling fast as the older lads retire)
My OH does not work in Ennis but I know 50-60% of the cops in the town where he does work

BUT if I leave Clare and have reason to have contact with the Gardai I am dealing with the same cops every one else is and I have NEVER had a problem with cops in any town in Ireland
Possibly because I am a law abiding citizen? :rolleyes:

Son Of A Vidic

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

steddyeddy

angelfire9 wrote: »

It was a MALICIOUS complaint
They happen all the time you know!

Her son was arrested on say Jan 1st
Her house was searched on Jan 2nd
She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st) of assaulting her on Jan 2nd during the execution of the warrant when in fact on Jan 2nd my husband was attending a wedding with me over 200 miles from her house

It was sorted out eventually but if he had been on duty on the 2nd of Jan then all hell would have broken lose!



That is BS
I live in Clare am still living in the town I grew up in and I know maybe 60% of the cops in Ennis (though that number is dwindling fast as the older lads retire)
My OH does not work in Ennis but I know 50-60% of the cops in the town where he does work

BUT if I leave Clare and have reason to have contact with the Gardai I am dealing with the same cops every one else is and I have NEVER had a problem with cops in any town in Ireland
Possibly because I am a law abiding citizen? :rolleyes:

like me good self missus something I also have in common with frank mc breaty senior and yet we both still have experience with the gaurds acting like thugs.

johnn

angelfire9 wrote: »

She accused my husband (who had arrested her son on Jan 1st)

that wasn't very nice of him, happy fuckin New Year son. It's things like this which lead to the Gardai getting a bad name.

angelfire9

steddyeddy wrote: »

like me good self missus something I also have in common with frank mc breaty senior and yet we both still have experience with the gaurds acting like thugs.

I have stated categorically on more than one occasion that the Gardai in Donegal were a disgrace to their uniform

But tarring all Gardai with the same brush is unfair to those cops who actually do try and do their job properly under crappy enough circumstances

Dan_Solo

angelfire9 wrote: »

I find this post offensive
With the exception of those muppets in Donegal most Gardai I know would co-operate with the investigation of a genuine complaint against another cop

Then again I actually KNOW the Gardai i have spent my entire life around cops

For the THIRD time. Dublin cops almost to a man refused to identify "Robocop" Donal Corcoran when he assaulted peaceful Reclaim The Streets protesters in 2002, while not displaying his Garda ID number.
So no, you are factually incorrect when you say it's just Donegal that has dodgy cops.
Feel free to take offense at these verifiable facts is you so wish.

steddyeddy

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have stated categorically on more than one occasion that the Gardai in Donegal were a disgrace to their uniform

But tarring all Gardai with the same brush is unfair to those cops who actually do try and do their job properly under crappy enough circumstances

im not Im stating that I had experience with bad and nice ones i was just responding to the issue of a law abiding citizen never having a problem with them. I have seen gaurds selling drugs and taking drugs ( no I didnt report them) and witnessed massive corruption and tonight with the gaurds assaulting a middle aged man aserting his right to protest

Dan_Solo

medicman2009 wrote: »

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

Well apparently the riot squad are barely trained, having normally less than 5 years experience, according to a pro-Gardai guy (most seem to be actual Gardai) who posted here earlier.
What do you expect?

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Elevator wrote: »

I have to laugh at some people I know who "hate" the Garda and I always ask hem what is the first thing they would do if they got knocked down crossig the road??

Call an ambulance?

pah

johnn wrote: »

that wasn't very nice of him, happy fuckin New Year son. It's things like this which lead to the Gardai getting a bad name.

LOL what are you on about?

Arresting somebody on New Years Day would give the Gardai a bad name?

Ridiculous, if there is cause for a person to be arrested then they are arrested,, it doesn't matter what time of the day, night or year it is :rolleyes:

surely it's things like mayday riots, donegal shenanigans etc that give Gardai a bad name, not arresting some plank on New Years Day, My God the small-mindedness is baffling:mad:

Cavehill Red

No, in general I don't respect them.
Too many reasons, from Donegal, to Abbylara, to their inability to solve any crime I've ever brought to their attention.
I've more time for the PSNI to be honest. And that's saying something.
I've no doubt there are plenty of good eggs in An Garda Siochana, but there seems to be a culture in the system of keeping your head down, pursuing the underclass for easy busts, ignoring the vast corruption and white collar crime going on in this country, and they're way too quick with the nightsticks when it comes to legitimate protest.

K-9

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If that made an ounce of sense it might even constitute personal abuse.
I imagine I'm among the higher end of the 99% of the Irish population who are eligible to join the Gardai by virtue of well, passing the Leaving Cert in any way shape or form. If only I had the brains? It would appear I'm at least ten times smarter that the basic requirement for being a cop.

LOL

The lad doth protest too much!

johnn

medicman2009 wrote: »

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. If the man had suffered a serious cerebral trauma as a result of the throw, would the Garda responsible be charged with manslaughter? Probably not I suspect, what sort of training do these guys receive? Throwing a man violently onto a concrete pavement can potentially cause serious injury. I thought his behaviour was thuggish and extremely unprofessional, thank god they're not armed.

They're being finally shown up for what they are, mindless heavies. They do this sort of thing every day but its only started being caught on TV recently.

cursai

cursai wrote: »

There are 3 types of people who don't respect Gardai
1. People who can't obey the law and therefore dislike the ones that make them obey it.

2. The people who have had bad experience with the small minority of bad immature Garda.

3. power hungry people who never got to be (at best) like the people in option2

Note: ive often met a bad mechanic or nurse but noone gives them the severe critical analysis the Gardai get off the public. Some people think they are right always, all of the time.....until they get told they aren't by the people whos job it is to tell them.

AND AGAIN!

johnn

Cursai if there are loads of people here posting bad experiences with the Filth how are they in the "Small Minority" as you are at pains to stress.

Dan_Solo

K-9 wrote: »

LOL

The lad doth protest too much!

You know boy, it's a commonly accepted fact that failing miserably to address the points raised in any way means you automatically win any debate.
Congratulations.

johnn

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You know boy, it's a commonly accepted fact that failing miserably to address the points raised in any way means you automatically win any debate.
Congratulations.

yeah a lot of posters in AH like this I find, very annoying :rolleyes:

steddyeddy

cursai wrote: »

AND AGAIN!

I fit into option two ie I am quite justified in my beliefs. There is however another group you forgot to mention this who after seeing and reading news reports such as the donegal case and seeing the reaction to the protest tonight.

pah

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If that made an ounce of sense it might even constitute personal abuse.
I imagine I'm among the higher end of the 99% of the Irish population who are eligible to join the Gardai by virtue of well, passing the Leaving Cert in any way shape or form. If only I had the brains? It would appear I'm at least ten times smarter that the basic requirement for being a cop.

Since when do 99% of the Irish population have their leaving cert passed?

I reckon you could be 10 times brainier than the academic requirements set out. That still doesn't mean you'd get the job. There's a whole lot more to being smart than being clever.

cursai

johnn wrote: »

Cursai if there are loads of people here posting bad experiences with the Filth how are they in the "Small Minority" as you are at pains to stress.

Because theres about 4 million people in this country and only a small minority of whingers and even a smaller amount on boards whinging about it !

K-9

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You know boy, it's a commonly accepted fact that failing miserably to address the points raised in any way means you automatically win any debate.
Congratulations.

Jaysus lad, this isn't a debate. Mindless ranting and raving don't make debate. Great entertainment though.

It isn't even a debate by AH low standards.

K-9

cursai wrote: »

Because theres about 4 million people in this country and only a small minority of whingers and even a smaller amount on boards whinging about it !

And it is mostly the usual fight da powa whingers tbh.

cursai

cursai wrote: »

Because theres about 4 million people in this country and only a small minority of whingers and even a smaller amount on boards whinging about it !

Although i have to agree that the arrest of yer man outside leinster house was heavy handed. But when yer on tv who wouldnt mess up. Presume they were told to QUICKLY arrest yer man too!

steddyeddy

K-9 wrote: »

And it is mostly the usual fight da powa whingers tbh.

So im guessing how the gaurds reacted to a middle aged protester tonight was right or was it a seige situation ala die hard!

cursai

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

I used to respect them and really wanted to join at one point. I'm a taxpaying, law abiding, ordinary guy but any dealings I've had with them in the last few years at checkpoint or anything at all and they've generally have an unbelievably ignorant attitude. To the point of going out of their way to be smart arsed about certain things.

They need to cop on a bit, eg giving people the third degree and being an awkward prick when somebody has clearly bought a new car and hasn't got the tax disc yet. It's impossible to get the tax disc until you get the ownership cert but you still get treated and spoken to like you're back in the Principal's office.

Manners cost nothing and respect is a two way street. When they come to cut Gardaí's pay I'll shrug my shoulders and that's down to their dismissive attitude towards the general public. When they cut nurses and clerical officers pay I'll be pissed off, again that's down to their attitude which is fantastic in my experience.

Hmmmm....People don't seem to cop it. Are people generally slow to grasp things or are they just inclined to be general!

pah

medicman2009 wrote: »

Just seen a Garda on T.V. flinging a man to the ground tonight, who was exercising his democratic right to protest outside Government buildings. The man was vocal but peaceful, middle aged and not particularly threatening. .

any chance of a link to this? was it on rte news?

johnn

cursai wrote: »

Because theres about 4 million people in this country

At least you aren't in charge of our finances or we'd be fucked.

Dan_Solo

pah wrote: »

Since when do 99% of the Irish population have their leaving cert passed?

I reckon you could be 10 times brainier than the academic requirements set out. That still doesn't mean you'd get the job. There's a whole lot more to being smart than being clever.

Sure dude. Horse-sense = horse-sh1t. It's a phrase used by anyone who got less points in their leaving than they have fingers and toes.
I wouldn't get the job is right because I'd be so embarrassed at the interview I'd burst out in tears.

cursai

johnn wrote: »

At least you aren't in charge of our finances or we'd be fucked.

At least your not in charge of statistics. At least 1,000,000 immigrants here on short term stay due to leave by 2011!

K-9

steddyeddy wrote: »

So im guessing how the gaurds reacted to a middle aged protester tonight was right or was it a seige situation ala die hard!

The what now?

What are you on about?

cursai

pah wrote: »

any chance of a link to this? was it on rte news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61XNlbVzw9M

steddyeddy

cursai wrote: »

Hmmmm....People don't seem to cop it. Are people generally slow to grasp things or are they just inclined to be general!

what are you talking about? He mentioned his bad experience with them and stated it was his experience. If people again and agian have bad experiences with people who shouldnt have ever been gaurds then It would be common sense to assume that there was something wrong with the organization that allowed them to be there.

Dan_Solo

cursai wrote: »

Hmmmm....People don't seem to cop it. Are people generally slow to grasp things or are they just inclined to be general!

He said "in my experience". I hope you will always discount your own personal experience when posting on boards.ie if you don't like that.:rolleyes:

cursai

steddyeddy wrote: »

what are you talking about? He mentioned his bad experience with them and stated it was his experience. If people again and agian have bad experiences with people who shouldnt have ever been gaurds then It would be common sense to assume that there was something wrong with the organization that allowed them to be there.

THEIR AN ORGANISATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEIR NOT INDIVIDUALLY CHOSEN!
OF COURSE THERE'LL BE A FEW RUNTS IN THE LITTER.
GROW UP!!!

johnn

cursai wrote: »

At least your not in charge of statistics. At least 1,000,000 immigrants here on short term stay due to leave by 2011!

OMG so does that mean there'll be only 3 million people left in Ireland :rolleyes:

pah

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

They need to cop on a bit, eg giving people the third degree and being an awkward prick when somebody has clearly bought a new car and hasn't got the tax disc yet. It's impossible to get the tax disc until you get the ownership cert but you still get treated and spoken to like you're back in the Principal's office.

it's against the law to drive a vehicle which is not taxed. What's your point???

you want the Garda to say , " ah sure you're grand there Johnny off you go sure never mind about the aul tax begorha"

exactly the tea drinking, intermediate playing culchie mammy boy thicko, persona of unprofessionalism I can't stand at the moment.

sounds as if you don't like being told when you are in the wrong, just like when you used to have to go to the principals office

steddyeddy

K-9 wrote: »

The what now?

What are you on about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61XNlbVzw9M

cursai

Dan_Solo wrote: »

He said "in my experience". I hope you will always discount your own personal experience when posting on boards.ie if you don't like that.:rolleyes:[/Q
always open to criticism Dan

steddyeddy

cursai wrote: »

THEIR AN ORGANISATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEIR NOT INDIVIDUALLY CHOSEN!
OF COURSE THERE'LL BE A FEW RUNTS IN THE LITTER.
GROW UP!!![/QUOTE

thier not individually chosen, are you joking??

cursai

johnn wrote: »

OMG so does that mean there'll be only 3 million people left in Ireland :rolleyes:

Grow up! Your too old for smart ass childish comments. bet you watched the whole of Chers performance on xfactor tonight

Dan_Solo

cursai wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61XNlbVzw9M

That really doesn't look like an assault TBH. Sure, if you walked up to someone in the street and did it then fine, assault. But he was resisting being moved on so a takedown was fair enough.
W4nkers who should be shot or not, you have to respect the loaded farmers and senile grannies who voted the government in and let them get on with annihilating our country.

PrivateEye

Surely that middle aged man outside the Dail could have been removed in a better manner than that? Two Gardaí could move him without much difficulty you'd think. He was flung to the concrete, it was painful to watch.

Shame on those who did it. Seriously lads, ask who took your pensions and stop taking it out on Joe Soap.

pah

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Sure dude. Horse-sense = horse-sh1t. It's a phrase used by anyone who got less points in their leaving than they have fingers and toes.
I wouldn't get the job is right because I'd be so embarrassed at the interview I'd burst out in tears.

well it takes a certain type of person to be able to do the job, you don't seem like the type to me, but I'm sure you're good at whatever it is you do.

I know that I'm good at what I do.