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Can I be forced to pay??

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  • 18-11-2010 12:30am
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    sioda
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭


    Hi Folks

    After much fruitless googling just wanted to see if any boardies can help

    Basically the shop I work in has two main tills and the odd time the cash is up and down and on the occiasions it is down our manager wants us to pay the balance out of our own pockets.

    Does anyone know can we be forced to do this??


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    eurokev
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭eurokev


    sioda wrote: »
    Hi Folks

    After much fruitless googling just wanted to see if any boardies can help

    Basically the shop I work in has two main tills and the odd time the cash is up and down and on the occiasions it is down our manager wants us to pay the balance out of our own pockets.

    Does anyone know can we be forced to do this??

    yes they can unfortunately. Its common practice in dunnes. Make sure you have your own till and float always. And bring any problems with promos etc.. to managers attention immediatley


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    maddogcollins
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭maddogcollins


    Yes,they can. However if they only insist in paying when till is down I would keep track of when it is up also. Or suggest they do it on a monthly basis as it may balance out.

    They cannot take it without your permission which is why I am suggesting using the monthly compromise.


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    ScouseMouse
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    If its in your contract that deductions will be made from your wages, then you agreed to it when you signed it !

    Otherwise, it is illegal to make deductions from someones wages without their permission (with the exception of PAYE PRSI etc etc)


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    eurokev
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭eurokev


    superscouse wrote: »
    If its in your contract that deductions will be made from your wages, then you agreed to it when you signed it !

    Otherwise, it is illegal to make deductions from someones wages without their permission (with the exception of PAYE PRSI etc etc)

    Ya, this is actually more correct I think. But I presume it is standard in any retail employees contract


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    sioda
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭sioda


    Contract has no section on it and the tills are shared hard to keep track of


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    Corruptedmorals
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    eurokev wrote: »
    yes they can unfortunately. Its common practice in dunnes. Make sure you have your own till and float always. And bring any problems with promos etc.. to managers attention immediatley


    No it isn't. Have you worked there? Dunnes operate the following- errors are flagged automatically at €3 up or down, once a pattern is established you get retrained, no improvement- caution, no improvement- retrained and warning...and so on. This is what most large companies would do, or something similar. They do not get employees to pay the difference- small shops do and are known for it. There's not much the OP can do about getting her own float if it's the tills that get floats- very common in small shops.

    Try to be aware of what you're doing, what change etc.- it's extremely easy to just do everything on till on autopilot, and that's where mistakes are made. See if you can observe who is on what till on days mistakes were made or note any of the following- did you witness a customer complaining about change, a possible change scam- I gave you a 50 not a 20, a problem with cashback (if you do it), a customer getting a note broken for them and then confusing whoever is serving them etc.

    ALWAYS get a manager to count your till if the customer is disputing the change given. It is so not worth it believing some chancer- especially since it's coming out of your pocket! I just saw you said your contract has no section on it- I would contact NERA if I were you. Definitely an illegal deduction of wages since you have not agreed to it in your contract or in writing. It would help them if you could give specific instances where you/others paid up- and any coworkers witnessing your manager in these instances.


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    pickarooney
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    Is the boss trying to take money from all the employees for a mistake made by one on a shared till? That sounds completely unreasonable.


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    wmpdd3
    Registered Users Posts: 9,624 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    The payment of wages act 1967 forbids this,unless its in the contract.

    http://www.employmentrights.ie/en/media/paymentofwages.pdf

    DEDUCTIONS FROM WAGES AND PAYMENTS TO
    EMPLOYER - section 5
    Valid deductions (and payments to the employer) from wages -
    section 5(1)
    4.1 The Act allows an employer to make the following deductions (or
    receive the following payments) from the wages of an employee:
    — any deduction (or payment) required or authorised by law (e.g.
    PAYE or PRSI),
    — any deduction (or payment required or authorised by a term of the
    employee’s contract (e.g. some occupational pensions scheme
    contributions or particular till shortages), or
    — any deduction agreed to in writing in advance by the employee
    (e.g. trade union subscriptions or VHI premia).

    Have a look at pg 17.


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