Pat Rabbite on Prime Time tonight

PaulTheMajor

Whether Pat Rabbitte rehearsed his Prime Time rant or not, he spoke for every person I know. Gentleman Pat Carey was there representing the government, and Rabbitte's comments were directed at the Government as a whole and not to Carey, so let's not feel too sorry for him.
What Fine Gael, Labour, Sinn Fein or any other party may or may not do in the future is irrelevant; Fianna Fail assured us in 2007 that they were the only people who could manage a growing economy, and if a downturn occurred (which they dismissed), they were the only people to manage that. Now we know: they failed to control or prudently manage the Tiger economy, and they have failed spectacularly to manage the downturn.
Essentially, the Government have failed to govern, and they must all go.

Di0genes

norrie rugger wrote: »

Don't try to put words in my mouth.
I could just as easily say that you are condoning the government sending mild mannered TD's out, as they are untouchable.

Carey is an elected official, who entere public life, knowing the ramifications of that. He is a member of FF, government and a minister. If he is not up for the game, then he should not play.


Rabbitte wins becaue he is RIGHT, not because Carey is weak

What was Rabbit right about? He was articulately anger about what happened, not outlining a coherent alternative

neilster

jmayo wrote: »

F**ks sake for some of the posters around here it appears more important who might have wrecked the economy than who did actually wreck the economy.

Just remember in future when you have to use a public hospital, have to go help your kids school with a dig out to buy toilet roll and watch the fact they are in prefabs, watch you elderly relatives receive cr** treatment whilst left ontrolleys, watch your kids emigrate, cough up even more for even worse services, perhaps even watch your ill child or disabled child recieve substandard care and attention, then posters remember who cuased this and not who might have caused this.

If we live in the realm of might haves, Mayo might have won a few All-Irelands over the last 15 years, Ireland might have gotten to a few world cup tournaments, roy keane might have led us to a world cup final, Dell might have stayed in Limerick, or bertie and all the ff boyos might have had a shred of decency and honesty.
They are all might haves which do not change the facts we have today.

BTW for any folks who didn't know, one of biffo's mates in Offaly had a company that made a fortune renting portocabins to schools?

Maybe we should deal with the facts as you say

Mayo have not an All-Ireland in the 90s and 00s when they ahould have and wont in the future and when labour get 40-50 seats Pat Rabbitte the voice of outrage with no policies which involve a cut (how useful when the IMF are here) will be Minister for Finance ..how does that fact suit you ?

neilster

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Would that not also had the effect of reducing our dependence on one-off property transaction taxes?

Listen, Fianna Failure can spin themselves into the grave this time if they like - I think anyone with a brain has finally seen where supporting corrupt incompetents leads to.

im pretty certain where your political vote has always gone Monty

the voice of the large farmer, the lawyer , the business person , the local judge , the establishment ...as Enda Kenny accused Brian Cowen of letting down the forefathers who fought for freedom

what would the Treaty of 1921 have to with fighting for freedom the basis on what that party is founded ...Freestaters indeed ...all you are is a treaty lover ...admit it get out the Blue Shirt

its alright by the end of 2012 , Simon & Brian and Olive and Leo and the rest will be at each others throats

there like certain itinerants they need a row every year

Rabble Rabble

I am generally pro-business and centre-right but labour would get my vote in the next election, were I in Ireland. FG are muppets. I hope they win outright, too.

norrie rugger

Di0genes wrote: »

What was Rabbit right about? He was articulately anger about what happened, not outlining a coherent alternative

That FF destroye our economy, that they have been wrong constantly. That they have either lied or been clueless about that actual cost of the bank hole (both terrible options)
That they constantly refuse to take the blame and that they have brass necks, thinking that the irish people believe/support them

Rabble Rabble

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Would that not also had the effect of reducing our dependence on one-off property transaction taxes?

Listen, Fianna Failure can spin themselves into the grave this time if they like - I think anyone with a brain has finally seen where supporting corrupt incompetents leads to.

removing stamp duty would have increased the boom. If someone can afford a house worth 200K and 10% stamp duty he can afford a house worth 220K without stamp duty. So the fall would have been bigger. Instantly a 400K house would have cost 440K. It was madness.

norrie rugger

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

removing stamp duty would have increased the boom. If someone can afford a house worth 200K and 10% stamp duty he can afford a house worth 220K without stamp duty. So the fall would have been bigger. Instantly a 400K house would have cost 440K. It was madness.

People had to take the mortgage including the stamp duty. the "value" may have been increased but the mortgages would have been the same

montane

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

I am generally pro-business and centre-right but labour would get my vote in the next election, were I in Ireland. FG are muppets. I hope they win outright, too.

It's that kind of gob$hite mentality that got FF into power for three terms. I take from your post also that you were previously a PD/FF voter.

Rabble Rabble

montane wrote: »

It's that kind of gob$hite mentality that got FF into power for three terms. I take from your post also that you were previously a PD/FF voter.

Lol

Never voted for FF in my life except down the list, that was the disabled guy in Munster European elections. And he came third. I think first was Simon Coveney. That said, most of my adult life has been outside Ireland, and I havent voted in a general election there. I did vote PD's locally.

I get the impression that any vote at all would be "gob****e". basically because I think that Labour are the best for the country now, although I am not a socialist.

What is not "gobsh*te" then, voting your exact ticket? Voting Edna?

The hilarous Irish - everything but me is gobsh*te - attitude continues unabated. FF voters are as rare as redmonites in 1917.

Anyway FG have nothing. So despite them being centre-right, like myself, i would vote labour. This is a vote for the country not a person or an ideology. It is the exact opposite for GobSh*te, and whats pissing you off, apparently, is that I dont vote for the party your mommy votes for.

Rabble Rabble

norrie rugger wrote: »

People had to take the mortgage including the stamp duty. the "value" may have been increased but the mortgages would have been the same

That makes no sense whatsoever. House prices would have gone up if stamp duty were abolished. Thats all we need to know.

Rubik.

Sindo poll - Was Pat Rabbitte right to verbally attack FF's Pat Carey on Primetime?

Yes - 81%

No -19%

Which, if nothing else, gives some indication of the public mood.

norrie rugger

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

That makes no sense whatsoever. House prices would have gone up if stamp duty were abolished. Thats all we need to know.

Mortgages (and bank exposure) would have been the same but the economy would not have been fuelled by the one off tax

montane

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Lol

Never voted for FF in my life except down the list, that was the disabled guy in Munster European elections. And he came third. I think first was Simon Coveney. That said, most of my adult life has been outside Ireland, and I havent voted in a general election there. I did vote PD's locally.

I get the impression that any vote at all would be "gob****e". basically because I think that Labour are the best for the country now, although I am not a socialist.

What is not "gobsh*te" then, voting your exact ticket? Voting Edna?

The hilarous Irish - everything but me is gobsh*te - attitude continues unabated. FF voters are as rare as redmonites in 1917.

Anyway FG have nothing. So despite them being centre-right, like myself, i would vote labour. This is a vote for the country not a person or an ideology. It is the exact opposite for GobSh*te, and whats pissing you off, apparently, is that I dont vote for the party your mommy votes for.

You have no idea why you're voting Labour. They are against your fundamental ideologies which are centre-right, and you think they have socialist policies.

It's okay, you don't have to hide your FF tendencies, its disgusting yes, but denial is not the way. We all know what you're going to do in the ballot box, and who your "mammy and daddy" voted for.

Eutow

Rubik. wrote: »

Sindo poll - Was Pat Rabbitte right to verbally attack FF's Pat Carey on Primetime?

Yes - 81%

No -19%

Which, if nothing else, gives some indication of the public mood.

I presume the 19% that said No are Fianna Fail voters going by the RED C poll that suggests there are around 19% that would still vote for them.

kaiser sauze

Spudmonkey wrote: »

Look mate, no-one is arguing that FF aren't to blame or that what happened didn't happen. But there is no denying that Labour have said in the past that the actions they would have implemented are along much the same lines as FF. In fact I distinctly remember several budgets which Labour shouted down as they deemed increases to welfare and pensions too low.

So what?

You are not going to be allowed by me to frame this any other way: Fianna Fáil led governments enacted the policies that have got us where we are, and they had lots of warnings to change their direction, but they ignored them.

It is their responsibility.