Pat Rabbitte on Prime Time!

scientific1982

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

FG, being as right wing as FF, might turn out to be every similar to FF. Irish people need to understand that the country needs true change!

To quote Obama;

"CHANGE"

Who said anything about FG. One thing about FG though, wasnt them in power.
I agree radical change is needed.

Browney7

Shows how much backbone Fianna Fail have when they send Pat Carey the minister for wait....you guessed it....minister for ceilis to address the Irish people on one of the most important days in the history of the state.

Fianna Fail fuckwits. They are a total utter disgrace

gyppo

Regardless of whether or not Pat Rabitte ever came up with a good idea, he was right to shut Pat Carey up. This country has listened to enough sh1t from FF for far too long.

brianthebard

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's easy shout the odds when your opponent is down and out.

Give us answers/options Labour, point scoring does US no favours.

Labour have offered alternative policies on this issue for two years now, where have you looked for their policies? Have you tried their website?

gpjordanf1

some_dose wrote: »

Elaborate please

Too much to get into here and now to be honest, I feel sick!

kincsem

kraggy wrote: »

Pat Rabbitte is great at talking, but damn all use when it comes to ideas as to how to get us out of this mess.

Over the last 2 years I've not heard one idea come out of his mouth.

Very like the rest of labour in that regard.

Add to that the fact that friends of Labour have partially caused this country to go broke. The unions in this country have been given way too much over the years. Unions were created to protect workers from abuse and to gain decent pay and conditions for an honest day's work, not to financilly rape the country.

No point in being furious and delivering speeches. That's how the Dail has made people so fed up. They're like a crowd at a gaa club AGM mixed with a group of 6 year olds on the playground with the utter nonsense they go with in there.

It's beyond embarrassing.

Why should Pat Rabitte come up with ideas for getting us out of this mess?

Fianna Fail got us into this mess. Fianna Fail have a history of economic mismanagement. In my opinion most of this mismanagement was from successful attempts to buy elections. [tax breaks for both married partners where only one works (Haughey); benchmarking; high tax bands / low personal tax; loose regulation (Ahern)].

The first task for the opposition is to get the failed government out.

fryup

rabbitte for taoiesach

(imagine having a PM with a name like rabbit)

ghostdancer

mike65 wrote: »

Did anyone actually fall for that piece of theatre? Rabbitte is very good at that Angry Man of Dublin South West shtick.

people have been falling over themselves to praise Eamonn Gilmore, despite going on the late late and saying his plan for Ireland's economy is "no cuts in anything, keep the Croke Park agreement, re-examine some stuff".

it's the most wishy-washy nonsense i've heard yet (and i've heard SF's economic plans!)


but he, like Pat Rabbitte, can do the faux-outrage soundbite very well, so the general population of ****wits in the country lap it up....

GTE

scientific1982 wrote: »

How exactly are labour going to give us options when they,re not in government. Its FF who should be supplying the answers.

To be fair any opposing party will have to give their options before anyone should vote for them. Especially since they were let in to the Dept. of Finance etc.
It doesn't make sense why someone who says that FF should fix the country and do what is right etc. when they dont tell us how they would do that themselves. (In reality I am sure they do)
I am not questioning what the opposition policies are or if they have them or not, just pointing out something in your post I dont agree with.

OPENROAD

kincsem wrote: »

Why should Pat Rabitte come up with ideas for getting us out of this mess?



The first task for the opposition is to get the failed government out.

That just sums things up here perfectly

shebango

I love Pat Rabbitte. He's the NUTS!:)

bobblepuzzle

Pat Rabbitte couldn't look after a rabbit, never mind being in government, the guy is more yap yap in the media... he would've been seriously ineffective with government policies....

kraggy

kincsem wrote: »

Why should Pat Rabitte come up with ideas for getting us out of this mess?

Fianna Fail got us into this mess. Fianna Fail have a history of economic mismanagement. In my opinion most of this mismanagement was from successful attempts to buy elections. [tax breaks for both married partners where only one works (Haughey); benchmarking; high tax bands / low personal tax; loose regulation (Ahern)].

The first task for the opposition is to get the failed government out.

To get them out, they must first provide suggestions for how to get us out of the mess and do things better in general.

That's why we have general elections. So the people can look at all parties and decide which has/have the best ideas.

Drumpot

brianthebard wrote: »

Labour have offered alternative policies on this issue for two years now, where have you looked for their policies? Have you tried their website?

I have it taped and will watch primetime later. But I imagine it was full of anger (people like anger), full of insults towards FF (people like insults to FF) and lacking in much alternative credible points on what they will offer (vague mention of what they morally dont agree with, but nothing definitive, wouldnt want to commit to anything or upset any particular section of society!).

I have tried labours website and their alternatives are based on "sure when we are in power we will give you the specifics" policy .

I am a socialist, but fear that this current labour parties greatest talent is attacking the government and angrily speaking populist rhetoric. .

I read several of the labour parties 9 points to improve society a couple of months ago and most of them dealt with child protection and issues that are indeed honorable and worth considering, but few that actually dealt with the state of this country.

Just went to their website there now -


http://www.labour.ie/policy/


1. Tax betting
2. Guardianship of children
3.Strategic investment bank - nowhere does it confirm that we could get the funding to bring such a fantastic idea to the table
4. Universal health
5. Tourism
6. Oireactas and lisbon
7. Labour youth policy
8. Sport transform
9. reform of government

Where is their policy on dealing with the Croke park agreement and the current economic crisis that is the single most important thing facing this country?

Or should we just take their word for it that they will look into it when they get into power ?

Flygimp

I think a little reality check is in order... in most democratic countries with transparency of government tonight's little hand bag fling is common place in holding parties in power accountable for their actions... they are public servants after all.

Awful_Bliss

As much as I'm a fan of Pat Rabbitte & especially after tonight's rant I lost a bit of respect when he laid into an audience member on The Frontline after the chap said he wouldn't vote for any party in the next election as they're all as bad as each other.

ghostdancer

Drumpot wrote: »

I have tried their website and their alternatives are based on "sure when we are in power we will give you the specifics" policy .

I am a socialist, but fear that this current labour parties greatest talent is attacking the government and angrily speaking populist rhetoric. .

I read several of the labour parties 9 points to improve society a couple of months ago and most of them dealt with child protection and issues that are indeed honorable and worth considering, but few that actually dealt with the state of this country.

Just went to their website there now -

1. Tax betting
2. Guardianship of children
3.Strategic investment bank - nowhere does it confirm that we could get the funding to bring such a fantastic idea to the table
4. Universal health
5. Tourism
6. Oireactas and lisbon
7. Labour youth policy
8. Sport transform
9. reform of government

Where is their policy on dealing with the Croke park agreement and the current economic crisis that is the single most important thing facing this country?

Or should we just take their word for it that they will look into it when they get into power ?

watch Eamonn Gilmore on the Late Late from last week. it's available on the RTE Player on rte.ie

as regards the CPA, he said he would keep it as it is.

he also said he wouldn't cut the dole, or old age pensions, or make cuts in the public sector.

typical Labour really, reassuring in these times of economic prosperity :rolleyes:

Cheap Thrills!

shebango wrote: »

I love Pat Rabbitte. He's the NUTS!:)

He was the bunny's b0llox tonight anyway.

It doesn't matter who gets in now anyway, they'll just be the IMF's b!tch. And part of me is relieved because none of them that I can see are capable of doing the work.

As long as FF get marched out in disgrace soon. They are traitors to this nation. They have to know we won't stomach any more of their economic and social vandalism. They have to feel our contempt.

Z Brannigan

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

This is just bull that right-wingers spread and is simply not true, have a little wee look at their website. Also, look up the progressive economic think-tank TASC, which Labour have taken most of the inspiration for their economic policies from.

Yeah, some stuff.

But this is a party who signed up to the Four Year Plan and who said that if they got into government they would push ahead with FF policy that had already been implemented.

Also, let's not forget, that Labour will more than likely be in government with the right-wing "Christian Democratic" Fine Gael party - meaning that they will be taking orders from them.

bobblepuzzle

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

He was the bunny's b0llox tonight anyway.

It doesn't matter who gets in now anyway, they'll just be the IMF's b!tch. And part of me is relieved because none of them that I can see are capable of doing the work.

As long as FF get marched out in disgrace soon. They are traitors to this nation. They have to know we won't stomach any more of their economic and social vandalism. They have to feel our contempt.

Would you describe the people the voted for them again and again traitors?

OPENROAD

Drumpot wrote: »

I have it taped and will watch primetime later. But I imagine it was full of anger (people like anger), full of insults towards FF (people like insults to FF) and lacking in much alternative credible points on what they will offer (vague mention of what they morally dont agree with, but nothing definitive, wouldnt want to commit to anything or upset any particular section of society!).

I have tried labours website and their alternatives are based on "sure when we are in power we will give you the specifics" policy .

I am a socialist, but fear that this current labour parties greatest talent is attacking the government and angrily speaking populist rhetoric. .

I read several of the labour parties 9 points to improve society a couple of months ago and most of them dealt with child protection and issues that are indeed honorable and worth considering, but few that actually dealt with the state of this country.

Just went to their website there now -


http://www.labour.ie/policy/


1. Tax betting
2. Guardianship of children
3.Strategic investment bank - nowhere does it confirm that we could get the funding to bring such a fantastic idea to the table
4. Universal health
5. Tourism
6. Oireactas and lisbon
7. Labour youth policy
8. Sport transform
9. reform of government

Where is their policy on dealing with the Croke park agreement and the current economic crisis that is the single most important thing facing this country?

Or should we just take their word for it that they will look into it when they get into power ?

How much will this cost and how will it be paid for?

kincsem

kraggy wrote: »

To get them out, they must first provide suggestions for how to get us out of the mess and do things better in general.

That's why we have general elections. So the people can look at all parties and decide which has/have the best ideas.

Having no ideas would be better than Fianna Fail and their ideas of buying power by spending recklessly, and getting into bed with big business to the detriment of the other four and a half million people in this country.

You can't argue with a fool. Fianna Fail are fools. There is no sense in debating with those fools.

If Fianna Fail had any morals they would disband and never appear on a ballot paper again.

Greentopia

ghostdancer wrote: »

but he, like Pat Rabbitte, can do the faux-outrage soundbite very well, so the general population of ****wits in the country lap it up....

Em, didn't look very "faux" to me TBH. I thought he came across as being very genuine in his outrage and disgust at what FF has done to our country.
It needed to be said I think.
Pat Rabbitte is one of the few politicians I have any respect for. He's intelligent and articulate, whether you agree with his party politics or not.
A hell of a lot smarter than any of the gob sh1tes in FF at any rate :mad:

Cheap Thrills!

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Would you describe the people the voted for them again and again traitors?

*gingerly walks into beartrap*

I dont know. Anyone who does going forward though, is suspect.

GTE

Awful_Bliss wrote: »

As much as I'm a fan of Pat Rabbitte & especially after tonight's rant I lost a bit of respect when he laid into an audience member on The Frontline after the chap said he wouldn't vote for any party in the next election as they're all as bad as each other.

I remember that. I really hated the fact he couldn't understand that at least some of the public believe that the whole lot of them really are as bad as each other. It showed to me that even the opposition, when I thought it was just the Government, are living on another planet compared to us Boardsies.

Personally I dont support any party. If I ask myself do we need a general election I think that all it will do is have a different crowd of people who would be doing the same thing. That comment on the front line we are discussing strengthens that for me.

paddydriver

Whether we disagree with Labour's or Pat Rabbitte's policies and views... that was a fantastic rant he went on! Finally someone got in the face of one of those FF muppets and gave it to him goodo!

Did you see the grin on the face of the lad in the US on the video link when they said good night... He loved it! He must really think we are all off the wall.

I especially liked the bit where Rabbitte told Pat Carey how they were now using the excuse that they were doing this for the good of Europe...

skelliser

youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqx4E5tq1Bo

GTE

paddydriver wrote: »

Whether we disagree with Labour's or Pat Rabbitte's policies and views... that was a fantastic rant he went on! Finally someone got in the face of one of those FF muppets and gave it to him goodo!

Did you see the grin on the face of the lad in the US on the video link when they said good night... He loved it! He must really think we are all off the wall.

I especially liked the bit where Rabbitte told Pat Carey how they were now using the excuse that they were doing this for the good of Europe...

I cant wait to see it on iPlayer.
Even if Labour just talk the talk it would be great to see FF any politician slapped in the face by some verbal-uppercuts!

OPENROAD

paddydriver wrote: »

Whether we disagree with Labour's or Pat Rabbitte's policies and views... that was a fantastic rant he went on!..

Yes would agree with you

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Still don't think labout have many policies worth paying heed to but Rabbitte is without doubt the most entertaining man up there

Even if it was schtick

charlemont

It was brilliant...

sligopark

As per Slasher - well done Pt but you are one of three perhaps four labour members that could possibly represent anyone in the dail - the rest of labour chappies are just that - chappy monkeys - we need to riot.

The Volt

gpjordanf1 wrote: »

Not defending FF at all!

But this is just cheap show boating on Labours part, loads of sound bites but NO policies.

I find the age old attack on the Labour Party for having no policies as rather comical. This Fianna Fail government seems to have only one way of solving the problems at hand and that's to cut. They have no stimulus package for getting people back to work and I firmly believe that if they thought they could get away with it, they would privatise the air, let alone the water. In relation to justice for what has come to light with the banking crisis, there is still no accountability whatsoever. So begs the question; What, if any progressive policies, socially or economically, do Fianna Fail have?

A quick look through their 'issues' section on their website and you will think that you have made a typo when typing in the search bar. For example, they have this stance on education in Ireland;

We are committed to investing in the largest school building programme in the history of the state while also achieving real value for money. In line with recent commitments in the programme for Government, front line services will be protected through the maintenance of class sizes and capitation grants at current levels, the provision of extra teachers at primary and post primary level and continued investment in higher education.


(Taken from http://www.fiannafail.ie/issues/#issue10)

It is laughable that in this post Celtic Tiger era, they still have not acknowledged the mess that they created and try to lure in new members with the worst case of false advertising that I have ever seen. They also claim that they are committed to protecting the most vulnerable in society. I don't know about Fianna Fail but I would classify these people as the old, the sick and the poor. One quick think about each of these and one remembers that the old age pension is very likely to come under attack in the upcoming budget while the disgraced bankers accumulate monumental pensions, a large proportion of our graduate nurses and doctors are emigrating and the lowest paid public sector workers have taken cuts of around 15% over the last couple of years while those on salaries over €100,000 a year remain relatively unscathed. That's just one problem that faces the old, the sick and the poor respectively so I think that it is safe to say that this government do not remain committed to protecting anybody but themselves and their friends.

Their 'issues' page also seems to be void of any ideas for constitutional or government reform. The need for this is common knowledge but it seems that Fianna Fail wish to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming. Labour recently propsed 29 major changes to the way in which Dail Eireann functions. These are pratical and frankly, long needed changes in there. Infact, on closer inspection to the Labour Party website, one will stumble across plenty of policy including Ruairi Quinn's plans on education and full support of the Universal Health Insurance. Just a mention of 3 of 144 policies available on the Labour Party website that have been published since 2007. To state the the Labour Party is all talk and no policy is clearly untrue but I suggest that there may be a smidgen of truth in suggesting that Fianna Fail are just that. I was going to state that Fianna Fail are indeed the party who are all style, no substance but they're pretty devoid of style as well.

dathai60

Me thinks Mr Rabbit had a lot of his pension tied up in the banks lol (all union men thought there were a safe bet) best members they ever had.Always paid there dues on time!!

gyppo

paddydriver wrote: »

Whether we disagree with Labour's or Pat Rabbitte's policies and views... that was a fantastic rant he went on! Finally someone got in the face of one of those FF muppets and gave it to him goodo!

Did you see the grin on the face of the lad in the US on the video link when they said good night... He loved it! He must really think we are all off the wall.

I especially liked the bit where Rabbitte told Pat Carey how they were now using the excuse that they were doing this for the good of Europe...

Yep, the yank had a big grin alright - he did well to keep a straight face on him

OPENROAD

Kye Jealous Cove wrote: »

Still don't think labout have many policies worth paying heed to but Rabbitte is without doubt the most entertaining man up there

Even if it was schtick

Does it really matter anymore ?

epgc3fyqirnbsx

OPENROAD wrote: »

Does it really matter anymore ?

Ehhhh, no

Krusader

Link here

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1085201

Pighead

Up on the I-Player now.

bbk

bbk wrote: »

It showed to me that even the opposition, when I thought it was just the Government, are living on another planet compared to us Boardsies.

"That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Boards party."

GTE

Karsini wrote: »

"That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Boards party."

Very good. I like where this is going!

edit:
The iPlayer is really oh so crap!

orourkeda

easyeason3 wrote: »

Whatever was said was to gain the publics favourable opinion. I don't like any politician at the moment. They are all playing the like/ dislaike game game.

Do the opposition sit back and say nothing?

If they did they'd be criticised.

ascanbe

Bit late now Pat..
If he wanted to be constructive then he should be advocating that we tell the EU/IMF to stick their 'help/bail-out' up their holes.
This isn't a bailout for Ireland; it's yet another bailout for those who, without due diligence, lent their own money to private institutions i.e. our banks.
The 'bail-out' will go through our government into the banks, in order to ensure that we, citizens of Ireland, pick up the bill.
It's thievery, plain and simple.

orourkeda

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's easy shout the odds when your opponent is down and out.

Give us answers/options Labour, point scoring does US no favours.

The alternative is to say nothing and give them a free ride. What purpose does this serve?

Monty Burnz

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's easy shout the odds when your opponent is down and out.

Give us answers/options Labour, point scoring does US no favours.

It does us a big favour. It allows us to finally see someone tell a Fianna Failure exactly what we think of their moronic/corrupt government of the country for the last 10 years. It may act as a safety valve and prevent some people from assailing the local FF gombeen representative or some poor bank teller in some country town.

Of course, solutions would be good - but I genuinely believe that Fianna Failure have comprehensively screwed the pooch here and there are no answers - we do what those lending us money tell us from here on in. That's what the loss of our economic sovereignty entails.

Ali Babba

While I too commend Pat Rabbitte on his performance on Prime Time tonight we still don't have a decent opposition to form a decent government. The sooner the IMF take control, cut public sector pay and government ministers pay the better. If it a situation of another loan it will only per long any chance we'll ever have of making a recovery as a country. It's short and simple really, some people are getting far too much money for doing far too little.

OPENROAD

Worth watching Vincent Browne now TV3

desaparecidos

Ali Babba wrote: »

The sooner the IMF take control

They don't take control. They give the government a budget and let the government decide on the cuts.

OPENROAD

desaparecidos wrote: »

They don't take control. They give the government a budget and let the government decide on the cuts.

Really is it not basically the same thing

CiaranC

I see the FF shills are out in force over in politics, enabling and rationalising everything their paymasters have done.

Make no mistake folks, these ***** are enemies of the state