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Portal 2
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wow, spot on. The reason I havent finished Oblivion, barely scratched Fallout 3, got bored midway with Shadow of Chernobyl, etc.
When you put it that way who honestly needed another game to dump 20, 30, 40 hours into? Don't get me wrong I have 200 hours on Teamfortress 2 since Orange Box, but I can't imagine placing that much time (or even a quarter of it) in every title I played.
Don't get me wrong, there are many games I've poured 100 or so hours into with few regrets. But not every game has to be that long, and when some games are simply using futile rewards as an incentive for silly levels of grinding - CoD? - that's not good game design. Doing the same thing over and over for hours an end can be appealing, but it's not necessarily the stuff of great games. It's the reasons why film, for example, have certain running times - some directors can achieve a lot with four hours, but others can do the same in 90 minutes. You never hear people complaining about that, and it's one of the gaming community's particular peculiarities: that bulk always equals better for some reason, which I'd strongly disagree with.
There'll always be games that reward effort and time commitment - fighting games, for example, or TF2 as you say. If you enjoy it, you should keep playing. But other games that have stories to tell, ideas to play around with, pacing to consider are much more appealing to me than a repetitive shooter with tacked on mulitplayer. Portal 2 is, like the first, a poster boy for considered design
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »It's the reasons why film, for example, have certain running times - some directors can achieve a lot with four hours, but others can do the same in 90 minutes. You never hear people complaining about that...
But the reverse is also true, like you can't imagine Inception being as good if it was only 90 minutes, or the same for the Deathly Hallows Part 1. That film is 2 1/2 hours long, but it needed every minute of that time to instill what was happening in the book.johnny_ultimate wrote: »But other games that have stories to tell, ideas to play around with, pacing to consider are much more appealing to me than a repetitive shooter with tacked on mulitplayer. Portal 2 is, like the first, a poster boy for considered design
The best example i can give of this is the Legacy of Kain series. Sure, you can ply through it, but it has one of the longest stories to be told in every game, and it was the voice acting and hours of dialogue that made this game the special prize that it was.0 -
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Potential-Monke wrote: »But the reverse is also true, like you can't imagine Inception being as good if it was only 90 minutes, or the same for the Deathly Hallows Part 1. That film is 2 1/2 hours long, but it needed every minute of that time to instill what was happening in the book.
I totally agree. I've seen four hour films that needed that time, like I've read 1000 page books that needed that! All depends on the situation, but the reality remains that stretching games out to reach some perceived need for an extended running time can seriously damage the final product. And yet you can't blame developers when you see the backlash short games get
But the best games, films, books are the ones that are as long as they need to be. I thought Persona 4 (despite lots of dungeon crawling) genuinely needed a 70 hour runtime to tell its story well. But not every game does, and therefore the increasingly vocal cries of those who will bemoan any game that doesn't reach the 20-30 hour mark in single player really seem to me like they're basically criticising a game for having the guts not to compromise the gameplay or story! 0 -
I'm sure they'll manageD4RK ONION wrote: »Forgot to mention, they took out peek-a-portal-ing! That'll severely reduce speedrunners' times and the depth they can go to with glitching. I'm glad they removed it obviously, it was an abuse of portal 1's mechanic, but it was a lot of fun, helped me with some of the advanced chamber trials.
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No You have to trawl through every chamber, if you're achievement hunting
Got my 1000G today. Suck it, Calex
Fortunately being the seasoned achievement veteran here I made a save at the start of every level
/ has 'nam flashback........ Charlie ????
Edit: You can make yourself useful and help with 'still alive'0 -
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Still Alive is to get through all of test 4 without dying, right? If you die, you have to start back at chamber 1. The 2nd last level caused us huge problems before, so we both were expecting to lose it there.Fortunately being the seasoned achievement veteran here I made a save at the start of every level
/ has 'nam flashback........ Charlie ????
Edit: You can make yourself useful and help with 'still alive'
Got the achievement first time 'round. Cue robot dancing and hi-5's.0 -
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You can pick a chapter, but you can't pick specific chambers, which is a bit tedious if you're an unlikeable, liked-by-nobody fat orphan who's backtracking achievements like Calexjohnny_ultimate wrote: »There's a level select on the PS3 version - you just press new game and you can choose your chapter. Coop I don't know because, ya know, PSN0 -
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Will anyone be getting the app "The final hours of portal 2" for $1.99...sounds great..can't wait to get it when i get homeThe Final Hour of Portal 2 takes you deep within the top-secret office of Valve, creators of Half-Life, for an unvarnished, behind-the-scenes look at the making of its latest game Portal 2. Journalist Geoff Keighley was granted unprecedented “fly on the wall” access over the past three years to create this staggering 15,000 word multimedia experience. From the hush-hush Portal prequel that was shelved to the last minute scramble to complete the game’s story, readers will experience a gripping and dramatic tale brought to life with exclusive photos, videos, interviews, interactive experiences, and other surprises.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-final-hours-of-portal-2/id432031492?mt=8#0 -
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