Should TG4 be closed down in the 2011 budget?

Krusader

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you concede this is not about RTE and their salaries, why did you bring it up then?

Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

I didn't concede anything
If we want to make savings in broadcasting wouldn't it be better to slash RTÉs budget in half, in any way TG4 employs people in areas where employment opportunities are scarce and traditionally have been hot beds for emigration. There's social and communal reasons for not scraping it

Minstrel27

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you concede this is not about RTE and their salaries, why did you bring it up then?

Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

You never answered his question. I will repost it for you.

Crosáidí wrote: »

Is it 'cause you don't watch it, we don't need it

hotmail.com

yoshytoshy wrote: »

It's creating employment.

So now this is about employment.

yoshytoshy

hotmail.com wrote: »

So now this is about employment.

No, it's all about you.

Krusader

hotmail.com wrote: »

So now this is about employment.

You can't just cut things willy-nilly, there has to be rational thinking behind it

hotmail.com

Minstrel27 wrote: »

You never answered his question. I will repost it for you.

It's completely irrelevant whether I watch TG4 or not. And I said I watch it the odd time.

judestynes

My opinion is close down rte 1&2 and give their funding to tg4. TG4 has consistantly punched well above it's weight in regards to documentaries and drama. Watching their doc's on easter week 1916. It's been a very long time since RTE 1 or 2 offered anything as good espcially considering the very limited budget tg4 has to work with compared to RTE 1 or 2.

hotmail.com

Crosáidí wrote: »

You can't just cut things willy-nilly, there has to be rational thinking behind it

Please rational thinking from the Irish language die hards is difficult to find.

Rational thinking - abolish any state funding to TG4.

Irrational thinking - maintain the funding to keep a small minority of people in Ireland happy who are hell bent on keeping the Irish langauge alive.

twinQuins

Morkarleth wrote: »

Please point out where I said I hated Irish.

I notice, Crosáidí, you still haven't addressed this; too embarrassed you were caught out? Or just unwilling to admit that not everyone who disagrees with how how the language is treated hates it.

Also, Dostoevsky, I'm still waiting on that retraction. You basically lied about what I said and I don't take that lightly. From your thanks I know you're still reading the thread.

aDeener

xxshebeexx wrote: »

If TG4 is so much better than RTÉ, then why do more people watch RTÉ?

that's like asking: if the rolling stones are so much better than madonna, then why does madonna have way more sales?

honestly ffs :rolleyes:

Average-Ro

I can't see why people are calling for the end of TG4; firstly it's a quality boradcaster who's work I admire, and secondly, it has a budget of 36million which is tiny compared to what RTE get.

I'd love to see RTE get the same budget as TG4 gets and see what they come up with then. TG4 constantly punch above their weight, RTE churn out any old shite. If they had to work with the same budget TG4 do, it might open their eyes.

In an ideal world; Mike's suggestion on page 1 would happen, or something similar anyway. I'd like to see RTE's budget slashed and have control handed over to the TG4 higher powers. Worst case scenario, quality stays the same, best case, it's improved upon.

DJP

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

The point is that this is a non-issue in Ireland as most people like TG4 and like the Irish language. Only cranks would be in favour of ending the funding the station gets.

Dyr

Shutdown RTE, tell any lovely ladies presenting that there's still jobs for them but montrose is being turned into europe largest porn studio.

Kenny, Tubridy et al can stay on with much reduced salaries as fluffers for the gay porn dept. Actually I'm not sure they'd be any use at that even

Krusader

Morkarleth wrote: »

I notice, Crosáidí, you still haven't addressed this; too embarrassed you were caught out? Or just unwilling to admit that not everyone who disagrees with how how the language is treated hates it.

Apologies, i misinterpreted your posts, I traced back through them and found you didn't state that.

Krusader

hotmail.com wrote: »

Please rational thinking from the Irish language die hards is difficult to find.

Rational thinking - abolish any state funding to TG4.

Irrational thinking - maintain the funding to keep a small minority of people in Ireland happy who are hell bent on keeping the Irish langauge alive.

I'm not an Irish language diehard, if you were implying that

Check the poll, most people on boards are happy with the job TG4 does,

twinQuins

Crosáidí wrote: »

Apologies, i misinterpreted your posts, I traced back through them and found you didn't state that.

And I apologise for being so confrontational. It's easy to get caught up in these threads.

For what it's worth, I really don't hate the language, I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.

Iwasfrozen

Crosáidí wrote: »

I'm not an Irish language diehard, if you were implying that

Check the poll, most people on boards are happy with the job TG4 does,

Most people generally are happy to leave expenses as they are. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be addressed regardless.

Morkarleth

Morkarleth wrote: »

For what it's worth, ..... I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.

I agree with that, language and politics should not be mixed.

Cú Giobach

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Does anyone on boards speak welsh ?

Dw i 'n gallu siarad Cymraeg. Dw i ddim yn siarad Cymraeg yn dda iawn ond dw i 'n gweithio yn galed a bydda i'n gallu.

I speak Welsh. I don't speak Welsh very well but I'm working hard and I will be able to.

cock robin

Shut down RTE and leave TG4 alone. I dont watch it or RTE but anything that rid's the world of jug lug Turbity is an excellent idea. The jug eared prick would then have to plug his book like everyone else as a guest on shows other than his own. What a talentless cnut.

randylonghorn

Crosáidí wrote: »

There is an Fórám Lán-Ghaeilge and if writing in Irish in an English thread it is customery to translate it, otherwise the vultures will be on your back, its just the way it is

In fairness, it's just courteous to do so, Crosáidí.

That said, a crazy amount of knicker-twisting here about *one sentence* which was a part of one post.

I wonder would a Spanish or French speaker who used one sentence in their native language in the middle of a post otherwise in English be subjected to the same level of vitriol?

Courtesy goes both ways, especially on a site which has "be civil!" as its watchword.

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is not about RTE and the ridiculous salaries, this is about TG4.

It's about TG4, sure, but RTE is very relevant to the discussion, given that the discussion is, in essence, about nationally-funded broadcasting.

Morkarleth wrote: »

For what it's worth, I really don't hate the language, I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with that, language and politics should not be mixed.

Yep, I'll agree with ye on that too.

In fact, my personal opinion is that too much mixing of politics and the language over the years at every level is part of the reason why the language is not in a much stronger state to-day.

Sardonicat

johngalway wrote: »

Who's making you feel that way?

Genuine question.

I'm from Conamara and can't speak Irish worth a damn but I'll defend and value the language and culture we have.

I never seen it as something to beat another over the,head with.

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I have never deliberately excluded people by speaking in a language that they can't understand. It is entirely rude and does nothing to promote the language.

If you think people are speaking in Irish just to exclude you, they are assholes. Don't blame the language itself.

I was not referring to either of you in my post that you quoted, but the person who got the hump with me for pointing out that I didn't understand the portion of their post that was written in Irish without translation.

Sir Oxman

I think TG4 does a brilliant job with the measly 34m quid it gets.
Quality Irish and foreign documentaries, movies, foreign series, sport and Ros na Rún.

I would love to see a transfer of the tv tax from RTE to TG4 - 500k for 4hours radio a week to Finucane is NOT money well spent.

Cú Giobach

gambiaman wrote: »

I would love to see a transfer of the tv tax from RTE to TG4 - 500k for 4hours radio a week to Finucane is NOT money well spent.

Absolutely, how the f*ck can someone moan about the money from our licence fees and government grants given to TG4, yet not see this is the real waste, paying exorbitant salaries like this.
The money payed to the top half dozen RTE personalities could probably pay for another TV station. (this is AH I don't have to quote figures ).

Cú Giobach

Sardonicat wrote: »

I was not referring to either of you in my post that you quoted, but the person who got the hump with me for pointing out that I didn't understand the portion of their post that was written in Irish without translation.

Sorry to jump in here but,
In this day and age of "globalisation" and the internet, a single line written on line in a language one does not understand, is not a genuine problem of the sort you are trying to make out.
Google translate is there for just that thing. Unless one is trying to work out the nuances of poetry or understand complicated prose...etc, this tool works just fine (usually).
I checked and G. Translate worked fine for this particular sentence.
The problem you had was not a linguistic one, but rather of a different sort, it is just this exact "problem" you had that got a few people annoyed.

Sardonicat

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Sorry to jump in here but,
In this day and age of "globalisation" and the internet, a single line written on line in a language one does not understand, is not a genuine problem of the sort you are trying to make out.
Google translate is there for just that thing. Unless one is trying to work out the nuances of poetry or understand complicated prose...etc, this tool works just fine (usually).
I checked and G. Translate worked fine for this particular sentence.
The problem you had was not a linguistic one, but rather of a different sort, it is just this exact "problem" you had that got a few people annoyed.

Excellent idea! It could save thousands in translating offical documents and the like into Irish. Just tell em to get the online version and Google translate it....Wait, what? 'uman rights, you say?

Cú Giobach

Sardonicat wrote: »

Excellent idea! It could save thousands in translating offical documents and the like into Irish. Just tell em to get the online version and Google translate it....Wait, what? 'uman rights, you say?

WTF...

What has that answer got to do with the fact you were annoyed because someone posted, not in just a language you didn't understand, but in Irish.

Sardonicat

I am suggesting that that is the advice you should give to those who demand, as a Human Right, to access official documents through Irish.
Go on line, download it and translate it yourself. It would save the country a small fortune.

SEPT 23 1989

Its a good station leave it alone

Cú Giobach

Sardonicat wrote: »

I am suggesting that that is the advice you should give to those who demand, as a Human Right, to access official documents through Irish.
Go on line, download it and translate it yourself. It would save the country a small fortune.

But G. translate isn't very good, in fact it is quite funny most of the time and only works to give a rough idea of what was written.
It worked perfectly for that sentence earlier though. ( Although the original was funnier).

storm2811

Cú Giobach wrote: »

But G. translate isn't very good, in fact it is quite funny most of the time and only works to give a rough idea of what was written.
It worked perfectly for that sentence earlier though. ( Although the original was funnier).

Yeah it's pretty crap, one time I typed in a sentence that had the word "play" in it, as in play a game and it translated it like play in the theatre, all the students using google translate for homework, it's so so obvious if you do, I made that mistake and realised it's easier to just start out with baby sentences and work from there.
Anyway, this is totally from the point.:pac:

Cú Giobach

storm2811 wrote: »

I made that mistake and realised it's easier to just start out with baby sentences and work from there.
Anyway, this is totally from the point.:pac:

Sure isn't that how you learn.

G translate for Irish is really funny, there must be a few Anglophillic Gaelaphobes adding to it for a laugh.

Sir Oxman

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Absolutely, how the f*ck can someone moan about the money from our licence fees and government grants given to TG4, yet not see this is the real waste, paying exorbitant salaries like this.
The money payed to the top half dozen RTE personalities could probably pay for another TV station. (this is AH I don't have to quote figures ).

I really hope those overpaid RTE guys and gals get a walloping in their salaries when the **** hits the fan over the next few months.
Kenny 600k+
Finucane 500k
Tubridy 400k
Duffy 400k

It's obscene. The one that sticks most in my throat is that yoke Duffy - another FF mouthpiece and he goes on like an aul'wan.

Also, watching TG4 I can pick up the odd phrase or three - it's not much, but watching and listening can increase my Irish vocabulary which is another plus.

I think the majority consensus is it punches well above it's weight and is an actual success story in Ireland.

Slow Show

Keep TG4. It's the one channel I can watch and feel like I'm studying - I'd be so much worse at my Irish aural/oral without it.
And 800 years etc. etc

civis_liberalis

If Rte took over the production of irish language programming, the costs involved would nearly double and the quantity/quality would halve.

randylonghorn

And I have no doubt Liam Ó Murchú would be brought out of retirement.

"Bualadh bos anois!" *









* Before I get told off for using Irish, it means "Clap your hands now!", and was Ó Murchú's irritating catchphrase.

some_dose

AnneElizabeth wrote: »

Let it die along with everything else Irish-language related.

How to even respond to this. TG4 is based in Ireland where our national language is IRISH. It always was, and always will be OUR language. Many people have strived for their entire lives to ensure that this incredibly important part of our culture lives on. If you are born within the confines of this Republic and don't consider Irish as your native language then IMO you can pack your bags and fuck off (we all know English is more practical but you cannot put a price on our heritage). People, a hell of a lot braver and more noble than you, died to ensure that this part of our culture would live on. If you don't like it then I'm sure you know where Dublin/Belfast airports are. (Mods please note that this is not a personal attack but an expression of my outrage on those 'Irish' who wish to dismiss our heritage with the simple stroke of a pen)

Dravokivich

Dostoevsky wrote: »

And this from the person who's supporting a poster who is intolerant about a single line, a single line, being written in Irish on this thread. Jeeze.

If you get your facts clear, the poster wasn't replying to them: he/she was addressing viewers generally, most of whom appear to have had no difficulty understanding his/her single sentence in Irish. Amazingly.

The issue with not being able to understand that comment only had to be raised once. What's the point in 10 / 15 people responding in a similar fashion?

I didn't have a clue what it meant and appeared to me to be rather arrogant.

Crosáidí wrote: »

So your Irish teacher was a pr!ck, let's hate Irish
If your science teacher was a pr!ck, would you hate science

He wasn't just suggesting the teacher. This topic has shown quite a number of Irish speaking posters being just as agressive about the cultural worth of the language, as those who don't care for it. The Irish speakers generally considering those who can't speak Irish as muppets.

some_dose wrote: »

How to even respond to this. TG4 is based in Ireland where our national language is IRISH. It always was, and always will be OUR language. Many people have strived for their entire lives to ensure that this incredibly important part of our culture lives on. If you are born within the confines of this Republic and don't consider Irish as your native language then IMO you can pack your bags and fuck off (we all know English is more practical but you cannot put a price on our heritage). People, a hell of a lot braver and more noble than you, died to ensure that this part of our culture would live on. If you don't like it then I'm sure you know where Dublin/Belfast airports are. (Mods please note that this is not a personal attack but an expression of my outrage on those 'Irish' who wish to dismiss our heritage with the simple stroke of a pen)

As per my response to the quote above...

I don't care for Irish. the Language, GAA, music, dancing... to me it's just a cock slap to the face.

In Saying that... any one who is interested in it.. fare enough, get what you want from it... don't throw it in my face.

In regards to TG4, I see no reason for it to be shut. There's a service provided by it that many people avail of. If one was to contimplate shutting it down for going over budget... are they taking into account how much it's going over budget in relation to how much RTE goes over budget?

In the grand scheme of things.. I wouldn't consider 36million euro as a lot of money to run a TV station. But if that's what's needed, they'll need to find a way to raise the extra funds required or determine where cut backs can be made.

Tg4 has quality programming. I like the documentaries and they show a lot of good shows instead of rte muck.

Aswerty

Close RTE 1 and 2 and put more funding into TG4 I say good chap.

Earthday

Aswerty wrote: »

Close RTE 1 and 2 and put more funding into TG4 I say good chap.

I agree

JerryHandbag

AnneElizabeth wrote: »

Let it die along with everything else Irish-language related.

As they would say on Ros Na Run, "seafóid!"....but I doubt you have a clue what that means. Cratúr bocht!

FrostyJack

The obvious solution is to can RTE 1 and 2 and remove the stupid dead Irish language from TG4 and keep their programmes and production values. We would save a fortune and would help the country move forward with the rest of the World.

FrostyJack

FrostyJack wrote: »

The obvious solution is to can RTE 1 and 2 and remove the stupid dead Irish language from TG4 and keep their programmes and production values. We would save a fortune and would help the country move forward with the rest of the World.

If you remove the Irish language from an Irish language TV channel, there isn't much left! :rolleyes:

About one days worth of interest repayment and that's before the IMF loan.

Krusader

Dravokivich wrote: »

He wasn't just suggesting the teacher. This topic has shown quite a number of Irish speaking posters being just as agressive about the cultural worth of the language, as those who don't care for it. The Irish speakers generally considering those who can't speak Irish as muppets.

I'd never consider anyone who doesn't speak Irish as a muppet, check my sig I'm only a learner myself, none of my family have an interest in Irish either.
I apologise to the poster for my assumptions and him to me and everything's rosie, I don't see why you have to drag it back up, when it doesn't concern you

hotmail.com

some_dose wrote: »

How to even respond to this. TG4 is based in Ireland where our national language is IRISH. It always was, and always will be OUR language. Many people have strived for their entire lives to ensure that this incredibly important part of our culture lives on. If you are born within the confines of this Republic and don't consider Irish as your native language then IMO you can pack your bags and fuck off (we all know English is more practical but you cannot put a price on our heritage). People, a hell of a lot braver and more noble than you, died to ensure that this part of our culture would live on. If you don't like it then I'm sure you know where Dublin/Belfast airports are. (Mods please note that this is not a personal attack but an expression of my outrage on those 'Irish' who wish to dismiss our heritage with the simple stroke of a pen)

How to respond to this.

Irish is not the national language. In case you haven't noticed this conversation is in English and less than 1% of the country speak Irish on a daily basis.

Just because you don't have any affection or loyalty to the Irish language does not make you unpatriotic.

Irish no longer represents Irishness.

Krusader

hotmail.com wrote: »

How to respond to this.

Irish is not the national language. In case you haven't noticed this conversation is in English and less than 1% of the country speak Irish on a daily basis.

Just because you don't have any affection or loyalty to the Irish language does not make you unpatriotic.

Irish no longer represents Irishness.

Irish culture represents irishness and gaeilge is a part of irish culture

Iwasfrozen

Crosáidí wrote: »

Irish culture represents irishness and gaeilge is a part of irish culture

There is more to irish culture then the irish language. And I think Daniel O'Connell would agree with me.

Krusader

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There is more to irish culture then the irish language. And I think Daniel O'Connell would agree with me.

:rolleyes: Read my post again,

a part of Irish culture

Iwasfrozen

Crosáidí wrote: »

:rolleyes: Read my post again,

Yes, and I said that there is more to Irish culture then the Irish language. If you want to focus on the language side that's fine. But pay for it yourself.