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zacmorris

Strange one from wikileaks on the announcement of their next release; "7 x Times the size of the Iraq war logs"
What could this mean?

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Flaregon

more info on how the usa messed.

meglome

Flaregon wrote: »

more info on how the usa messed.

Which despite all the vast conspiracy theories they seem to able to do quite well.

radiospan

Lots more happening on this now.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks

http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7955258869288960
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8206637680558080

Supposedly a log of messages between various US embassies meant to be published this weekend. Not sure if that last tweet means a gagging order? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11847824

And this? http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7962849636786176

My name is URL

Putting DA-Notices on things is no way to go about hushing current events.. not in this day and age. I can only assume that the US are aware of the implications of doing such a thing when it relates to a release from Wikileaks. There is no way in hell that they would be briefing nations on such a release without knowing that said briefs would be made known.

nyarlothothep

From recall the US are funding Islamic terrorist cells, pitting them against armies, for example in Pakistan where you have extremists and the Pakistani army rooting them out because there is a tidy profit to be made from conflict. I care little for the elites and their silly little games, only that theirs is a path that spells the endgame for humanity except for themselves of course. I'd love to see what this new wiki release is all about, no doubt something which doesn't involve the NWO, probably more Iraq documents. Oh and David Kelly was assasinated, its written all over Blairs face in that memorial service, in conjunction with all that circumstantial evidence lol.

WakeUp

Good stuff wikileaks keep em' coming, A true beacon of light and truth in a world of lies, spin and bull sh!t. I hope these new leaks are really damaging and really hurt the "powers" involved. Bravo.

joebucks

so far what have wikileaks released that has actually led to prosecutions? most of what they have released so far seems to be stuff that was already widely known about..lots of quantity but very little quality..could it be that it is the CIA themselves leaking the files themselves?

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

so far what have wikileaks released that has actually led to prosecutions? most of what they have released so far seems to be stuff that was already widely known about..lots of quantity but very little quality..could it be that it is the CIA themselves leaking the files themselves?

They've "leaked" that Iran are supporting Al Qaeda. Now they're about to "leak" that Turkey are supporting Al Qaeda. I'll let someone else fill in the gaps.

nyarlothothep

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They've "leaked" that Iran are supporting Al Qaeda. Now they're about to "leak" that Turkey are supporting Al Qaeda. I'll let someone else fill in the gaps.

isn't Al Qaeda made up? I believe Robin Cook said that it was phony before he died of a stroke. Isn't it the name of database somewhere in teh ME?

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They've "leaked" that Iran are supporting Al Qaeda. Now they're about to "leak" that Turkey are supporting Al Qaeda. I'll let someone else fill in the gaps.

Don't forget Pakistan.

Yitzhak Rabin

AP wrote:

The release of hundreds of thousands of State Department cables is expected this weekend, although WikiLeaks has not been specific about the timing. The cables are thought to include private, candid assessments of foreign leaders and governments and could erode trust in the U.S. as a diplomatic partner.

This should be some juicy gossip. I wonder what they think of clowen.

michael999999

could we get the irish version soon? wikileaks:the bank bailout!

radiospan

joebucks wrote: »

could it be that it is the CIA themselves leaking the files themselves?

I don't believe this nonsense for a second. I don't see anything about Wikileaks to suggest that it should be taken at anything other than face value.

I think the best bet about this right know is exactly what AP have said:

The release of hundreds of thousands of State Department cables is expected this weekend, although WikiLeaks has not been specific about the timing. The cables are thought to include private, candid assessments of foreign leaders and governments and could erode trust in the U.S. as a diplomatic partner.

joebucks

plazzTT wrote: »

I don't believe this nonsense for a second. I don't see anything about Wikileaks to suggest that it should be taken at anything other than face value.

I think the best bet about this right know is exactly what AP have said:

Do you rule out the possibility that some of the files being leaked to Wikileaks are being leaked by US intelligence on purpose?

What prosecutions have come from any of the leaks?

Duiske

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They've "leaked" that Iran are supporting Al Qaeda. Now they're about to "leak" that Turkey are supporting Al Qaeda. I'll let someone else fill in the gaps.

The documents have been released on Wikileaks.

Just on Sky news that one of them makes the claim that Iran have bought N,Korean missiles which can easily reach Europe.

Sound familiar ?

Brown Bomber

Duiske wrote: »

The documents have been released on Wikileaks.

Just on Sky news that one of them makes the claim that Iran have bought N,Korean missiles which can easily reach Europe.

Sound familiar ?

****! This is serious. Cue nuclear false-flag and WWIII.

chicken fingers

looks like that DDoS attack worked, wikileaks is back to a default web server now.

Yitzhak Rabin

This leak is very suspicious.

The US will of course condemn it, but in reality isn't this exactly the type of thing neo-cons would want?

I mean, very few people would buy the WMD line again coming straight from America. A third party leaking it though gives it a bit more legitamacy.

You have the double whammy of scaring people into believing that Iran has nuclear warheads, with the local leaders "begging for the US to intervene"

This leak, whether genuine or manufactured is huge, and scary.

Yitzhak Rabin

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html

The Feb. 24 cable, which is among those obtained by WikiLeaks and made available to a number of news organizations, makes it clear that American intelligence agencies believe that the complete shipment indeed took place, and that Iran is taking pains to master the technology in an attempt to build a new generation of missiles. The missile intelligence also suggests far deeper military — and perhaps nuclear — cooperation between North Korea and Iran than was previously known. At the request of the Obama administration, The New York Times has agreed not to publish the text of the cable.

dashboard_hula

I was looking at the cables grouped by country http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/tags/Country and although I can see that Ireland has 633 records, I can't seem to find a way of viewing the individual cables. Are they not released, am I missing something?
I did download the whole lot and tried fiddling around with it, but it's late, and I've got a crick in my neck from looking at it sideways for 15 minutes.

chicken fingers

dashboard_hula wrote: »

I was looking at the cables grouped by country http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/tags/Country and although I can see that Ireland has 633 records, I can't seem to find a way of viewing the individual cables. Are they not released, am I missing something?
I did download the whole lot and tried fiddling around with it, but it's late, and I've got a crick in my neck from looking at it sideways for 15 minutes.

I downloaded the torrent, it looks like barely any files are included.
A local search for containing text on "ireland" brings up 2 pages which mention Ireland in passing. Nothing important.

It appears that the archives will be released only bit by bit, which is a curious thing indeed.

Brown Bomber

How Convenient.

From an Israeli perspective, therefore, it would not be an exaggeration to say that WikiLeaks may have done the country a service on Sunday.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?ID=197131&R=R1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

DeVore

You can't like the website on Tuesday when they say things you want to hear and demonise them on wednesday when they don't.

DeV.

enno99

Brown Bomber wrote: »

How Convenient.


http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?ID=197131&R=R1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Well if this guy is right I doubt you will see any thing that will hurt Isreal

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/wikileaks-some-searching-queries/

Brown Bomber

DeVore wrote: »

You can't like the website on Tuesday when they say things you want to hear and demonise them on wednesday when they don't.

DeV.

True. But that's not the case as far as I am concerned; more the more often your around bull**** the more likely you are to smell it. I'm on the fence personally and I really hope beyond hope that my suspicions are misfounded but with every leak and MSM promotion of Wikileaks I lose more hope.

Don't you think it is logical for the CIA or someone else to create a whistleblower honeypot? They control the leaked information, find out who's leaking the information and in a roundabout way get the public to back their wars of aggression. A public who will never believe them after their very recent lies and deception to go to war in Iraq but would most likely take the word of an "independent" 3rd party dedicated to truth.

Not only that. Once they get their war(s) they get to censor the internet because of Wikileaks in the interests of national security.

If they didn't think up Wikileaks they should have.

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

True. But that's not the case as far as I am concerned; more the more often your around bull**** the more likely you are to smell it. I'm on the fence personally and I really hope beyond hope that my suspicions are misfounded but with every leak and MSM promotion of Wikileaks I lose more hope.

Don't you think it is logical for the CIA or someone else to create a whistleblower honeypot? They control the leaked information, find out who's leaking the information and in a roundabout way get the public to back their wars of aggression. A public who will never believe them after their very recent lies and deception to go to war in Iraq but would most likely take the word of an "independent" 3rd party dedicated to truth.

Not only that. Once they get their war(s) they get to censor the internet because of Wikileaks in the interests of national security.

If they didn't think up Wikileaks they should have.

Alternatively wikileaks does exactly what it says on the tin, it's just when you read the tin you say "fish products" and thought "caviar" and instead got tinned sardines.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

Alternatively wikileaks does exactly what it says on the tin, it's just when you read the tin you say "fish products" and thought "caviar" and instead got tinned sardines.

Is that some kind of **** insult`?

Yitzhak Rabin

Lets not make this personal

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Is that some kind of **** insult`?

If you think a post is insulting report it. It's no uses getting excited about wikileaks and then disappointed and dismissing it as a CIA front if it just doesn't confirm your bias.

RealistSpy

This whole leak is to get people against Iran Nuclear Development!

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

True. But that's not the case as far as I am concerned; more the more often your around bull**** the more likely you are to smell it. I'm on the fence personally and I really hope beyond hope that my suspicions are misfounded but with every leak and MSM promotion of Wikileaks I lose more hope.

Don't you think it is logical for the CIA or someone else to create a whistleblower honeypot? They control the leaked information, find out who's leaking the information and in a roundabout way get the public to back their wars of aggression. A public who will never believe them after their very recent lies and deception to go to war in Iraq but would most likely take the word of an "independent" 3rd party dedicated to truth.

Not only that. Once they get their war(s) they get to censor the internet because of Wikileaks in the interests of national security.

If they didn't think up Wikileaks they should have.

Totally agree BB. Another possibility is that Wikileaks is genuine and intelligence services are just inundating them with huge amounts of info to divert Wikileaks' time and resources away from more serious leaks and put their attention on matters that would be favorable to the US/allies.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

If you think a post is insulting report it. It's no uses getting excited about wikileaks and then disappointed and dismissing it as a CIA front if it just doesn't confirm your bias.

Wrong again I see.

This was my opinion 4 months ago.

Old 21-08-2010, 18:36
I'm edging towards this coming about to try and make Wikileaks more credible and not a CIA front, which I have seen some valid arguments for.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67586598&postcount=8

Lets leave it at that.

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

Totally agree BB. Another possibility is that Wikileaks is genuine and intelligence services are just inundating them with huge amounts of info to divert Wikileaks' time and resources away from more serious leaks and put their attention on matters that would be favorable to the US/allies.

Yeah regardless of how legit Wikileaks is infiltration is a probablility IMO. Something about the whole operation doesn't sit right with me.

This poor bastard seems to be the only one to have paid a price.

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah regardless of how legit Wikileaks is infiltration is a probablility IMO. Something about the whole operation doesn't sit right with me.

This poor bastard seems to be the only one to have paid a price.

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

Ironic eh. He won't be the only one to suffer if HC gets her way

While she said she would not comment directly on the cables or their substance, she said that the government would take "aggressive steps" to hold responsible those who "stole" them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/clinton-reacts-us-embassy-cables

Brown Bomber

Skimmed through a couple of random cables and the I'm becoming increasingly convinced Wikileaks is a Zionist/Neo-Con fraud to facilitate the Zionist/Neocon illegal wars of aggression and subsequent illegal occupations and the mass suffering that goes with it.

A bit like 9-11. Conveniently good for Israel.

meglome

Brown Bomber wrote: »

A bit like 9-11. Conveniently good for Israel.

Huh? It was?

Undergod

The whole idea of Wikileaks is open to the kind of abuse BB is expressing concerns about; unless they have some kind of vetting or fact-checking process on the files they leak, which seems unlikely.

Run_to_da_hills

Merged with this thread because the discussion is on similar lines

I always had my doubts about this site and its "leaked" out contents.

Most of the material is stuff that we either already know about or else something irrelevant however there are always a few "top secret" chunky pieces thrown in..

We are led to believe by the media that this site is detrimental to US and Global international security and that the perpitrators must chased and the site shut down at all costs. WE have even read reports that its founder Julian Assang is a rapist portraying him as a criminal..

It is not that easy to chase and shut down such a website with so many international mirrors and a guy that is constantly in hiding.

The only way that Wikileaks can be curtailed is by introducing an international agreement to usher in nternet censorship.

This is a classic case of "Problem Reaction and solution" and the ultimate aim is for the powers to be to have control over the internet and its contents.

On a similar note. http://www.effedieffe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33278:cia-mossad-and-soros-behind-wikileaks&catid=35:worldwide&Itemid=152

Brown Bomber

meglome wrote: »

Huh? It was?

Not sure if you are referring to Wikileaks or 9/11 but the answer is the same for both - The Wikileaks cables and 9-11 quite obviously was/is good for Israel. Don't take my word for it; take Bibi's:

Netanyahu: WikiLeaks revelations were good for Israel


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-wikileaks-revelations-were-good-for-israel-1.327773

The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor." http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

orourkeda

joebucks wrote: »

so far what have wikileaks released that has actually led to prosecutions? most of what they have released so far seems to be stuff that was already widely known about..lots of quantity but very little quality..could it be that it is the CIA themselves leaking the files themselves?

The thought had crossed my mind.

There's something this whole set up that doesnt feel quite right.

TMoreno

This week, Judy Woodruff of PBS interviewed Zbigniew Brzezinski and Stephen Hadley, former national security advisers for presidents Carter and Bush. The subject of the interview was Wikileaks.

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Seeding — seeding it is very easy. I have no doubt that WikiLeaks is getting a lot of the stuff from sort of relatively unimportant sources, like the one that perhaps is identified on the air. But it may be getting stuff at the same time from interested intelligence parties who want to manipulate the process and achieve certain very specific objectives.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec10/weakileaks2_11-29.html

Brown Bomber

Where are the cables on the US leaders military questioning the starategic value of unconditional support of Israel in ME? On Dimona? On the Mavi Marmara massacre? On official Israeli policy of keeping the Gazans on near starvation levels? On David Headley? I could go on all day...

RGDATA!

Let's assume that much of this stuff is legit and wasn't deliberately leaked. It stands to reason that US intelligence wouldn't just clam up in embarrassment. One tactic any intel agency would surely attempt is to manipulate the situation however possible, including planting misinformation which would likely be taken at face value, as a few have already pointed out.

this is what wikileaks say about how they verify their stories, it speaks to some of these concerns...

"1.4 How WikiLeaks verifies its news stories

We assess all news stories and test their veracity. We send a submitted document through a very detailed examination a procedure. Is it real? What elements prove it is real? Who would have the motive to fake such a document and why? We use traditional investigative journalism techniques as well as more modern rtechnology-based methods. Typically we will do a forensic analysis of the document, determine the cost of forgery, means, motive, opportunity, the claims of the apparent authoring organisation, and answer a set of other detailed questions about the document. We may also seek external verification of the document For example, for our release of the Collateral Murder video, we sent a team of journalists to Iraq to interview the victims and observers of the helicopter attack."

...yet i don't imagine they could have gone to the forensic detail they suggest above with every one of these thousands of documents involved in the latest batch?

shedweller

http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=16448

Is anybody else concerned about wikileaks recent surge in publicity AND the constant referrals to it from mainstream news?
It strikes me as being really odd.