Does Large Parts Of The UK Still Not Like Irish People??

Chicken Run

Gnobe wrote: »

I don't mean to sound over the top but this recent bailout bill has angered a lot of the right wing press in Britain to the point we're on the recieving end of a toung-lashing from them (I'm sure you've noticed).

I've reading a lot of comments from the dailymail website, there's the best part of 600 comments on the top news story, with comments about the IRA, 800 years, war, bombing our country, micks and all this nonsense etc (with lots of green arrows might I add!). All absolutely nothing to do with the issue.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331979/IRELAND-BAILOUT-Britain-pays-billions-country-implodes.html

The Daily Mail - racist in public so you don't have to be....

paddymacsporran

Country lane wrote: »

I'll rephrase it. The English that I have met have been very positive and pro Ireland to such a degree that they even shout for them in rugby or football. Scotland on the other hand...well you sit in a pub in England when they are playing any sport and draw your own conclusion!

That feeling is mutual from the proper side of Hadrians Wall. Scottish people support two rugby/football teams - Their own, and anyone playing England.

PeterIanStaker

Given that we have right wing reactionary **** in our own media, I seriously wouldnt think that its an issue. There are ignorant f*cks no matter where you go.

brummytom

There's idiots everywhere.


But God help anyone who forms their opinions from the Daily Mail or the Sun

PeterIanStaker

Chicken Run wrote: »

The Daily Mail - racist in public so you don't have to be....

The Daily Mail is like the Indo group - reactionary horsesh it peddled to insecure easily led people. Don't even bother indulging them.

SharpshooterTom

brummytom wrote: »

There's idiots everywhere.


But God help anyone who forms their opinions from the Daily Mail or the Sun

They are respectively the two best selling papers in Britain! Must saying something!

brummytom

Gnobe wrote: »

They are respectively the two best selling papers in Britain! Must saying something!

Yep - most people are idiots

FreudianSlippers

Does large parts of AH be ables to uses the English?

brummytom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

robinph

Gnobe wrote: »

They are respectively the two best selling papers in Britain! Must saying something!

Can't explain the Mail, but the Sun has pictures.

PeterIanStaker

robinph wrote: »

Can't explain the Mail, but the Sun has pictures.

Well, only one picture worth looking at.

brummytom

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Well, only one picture worth looking at.

Dear Deirdre's always good for a laugh too

K-9

Sure we gave out about giving Greece money as part of their bail out.

Does that mean large parts of Ireland don't like the Greeks?

tinner777

Gnobe wrote: »

They are respectively the two best selling papers in Britain! Must saying something!

nothing to do with them being the cheapest and mostly written in big letters, sure there both **** here too

hatful

Greyfox wrote: »

I hate the way some people in this country don't want to put the history book down and refuse to live in the real world, it's very embarrassing

Really, conversly I think the problem is that a lot of Brits don't seem to want to pick the history book up. When I lived there I found that there was a shocking ignorance of our shared history, even some historians used phrases like 'the Irish problem' out of historical context. They are a very insular nation who think very little of being casually racist for example the French- I have heard British politicians make stupid anti-French jokes on serious political programmes. The bottom line is we have a better understanding of their politics as it is streamed into our homes every night. They have little understanding of our history, politics, culture and tend to mouth off about things they know little about. Also their class system is more defined than ours, in some cases this breeds contempt.

K-9

Oh, 2 "analysts" on Sky & BBC News said we borrowed too much and over spent.

Don't remember doing that personally, but generalisations and caricatures are one of the non financial costs of getting bailed out by the IMF.

stovelid

hatful wrote: »

Really, conversly I think the problem is that a lot of Brits don't seem to want to pick the history book up. When I lived there I found that there was a shocking ignorance of our shared history, even some historians used phrases like 'the Irish problem' out of historical context. They are a very insular nation who think very little of being casually racist for example the French- I have heard British politicians make stupid anti-French jokes on serious political programmes. The bottom line is we have a better understanding of their politics as it is streamed into our homes every night. They have little understanding of our history, politics, culture and tend to mouth off about things they know little about. Also their class system is more defined than ours, in some cases this breeds contempt.

Are you on expert on English history? Or the French that you're so quick to champion?

Maybe the (supposed - as I don't see any statistics on this thread, only opinion) lack of interest in Irish history is more a sign of disinterest rather than a lack of education. As for shared history, do you think that the average plastic Irish type you find welded to Orish bars in London for 15 years knows the slightest thing about (or that of any other country bar the whistle-stop Irish oppression tour of our own country) history of the country giving them a home and a job for years?

What you're trying to say is that you expect the average English citizen to expend the same amount of energy on historical grudges as many of us. Historical grudges that largely have their basis in pathetic national self-aggrandisement and professional victimhood and also serve to waste pointless vitriol on the British tabloid press when we have all the elements so hated in Britain (scum tabloids; a right-wing clientelist government; racism) right here in this country.

Fart

I'm getting a bollocking here in Wales, from the English and Scottish.

Blaming ME, and how I and EVERYONE IN IRELAND was rich, had loads of money, and scrounged off Europe for years.

Yeh well, thats why my parents and I have feck all money to our name and I need loans to pay for my education to better myself.

Mainly just the younger generation. Late teens to 30's. The older generation are cool and understand that they had a banking problem with investors themselves at some point. (I didn't realise that).

Fart

K-9 wrote: »

Oh, 2 "analysts" on Sky & BBC News said we borrowed too much and over spent.

Don't remember doing that personally, but generalisations and caricatures are one of the non financial costs of getting bailed out by the IMF.

Yeh, they're talking shiite.

WesternZulu

I'd say that a lot of people in the UK were like wtf the last couple of days, "Is Oirland not part of the UK, has the euro AND has its own Government!"

Thank you Fainna Fail for opening up the eyes of them damn British and making them realise Ireland is/was a free and independent nation :rolleyes:

KINGVictor

scientific1982 wrote: »

Britain are bailing us out because the alternative for them would be much worse. If we had let our banks fall, British banks would have taken a massive hit.

I am not really sure about that tbh...

They have control of their macro-economic policies so they dont depend on the ECB for guidance on interest rates or policies to adopt ...hence they resorted to quantitative easing . They had issues with Northern Rock and RBS and they quickly nationalised them , but they had the option to buy long term treasury bonds- a policy mecahnism available to (independent) central banks , an option Ireland does not have....

It is a fact that the Irish/ UK economies have a symboitic relationship but the reality is that Ireland benefits more in the dynamic..While some of the remarks on some newspaper or website may seem condescending but the truth is that Ireland has no choice at the moment...I will be advocating for friends than creating enemies at the moment.

In all honesty if the UK ignored the current crises in Ireland....the responce will be that they hate the Irish and dont care about them....how can they win??

ejmaztec

WesternZulu wrote: »

I'd say that a lot of people in the UK were like wtf the last couple of days, "Is Oirland not part of the UK, has the euro AND has its own Government!"

Thank you Fainna Fail for opening up the eyes of them damn British and making them realise Ireland is/was a free and independent nation :rolleyes:

Now the cat's out the bag, the British will know that Ireland's a separate country, and they won't hand over the cash.:(

mike65

KINGVictor UK banks are exposed to the tune of £90 billion (though the FSA are playing down any worries I see), the UK post office finance arm is through the Bank of Ireland so thats another reason to throw some money this way, exports to Ireland were worth £23.8bn billion last year (40% of NI trade is with ROI). There are plenty of reason to help out. Quite why the Swedes are talking of same is another matter. ABBA were big here but not that big.

hatful

stovelid wrote: »

Are you on expert on English history? Or the French that you're so quick to champion?

Maybe the (supposed - as I don't see any statistics on this thread, only opinion) lack of interest in Irish history is more a sign of disinterest rather than a lack of education. As for shared history, do you think that the average plastic Irish type you find welded to Orish bars in London for 15 years knows the slightest thing about (or that of any other country bar the whistle-stop Irish oppression tour of our own country) history of the country giving them a home and a job for years?

What you're trying to say is that you expect the average English citizen to expend the same amount of energy on historical grudges as many of us. Historical grudges that largely have their basis in pathetic national self-aggrandisement and professional victimhood and also serve to waste pointless vitriol on the British tabloid press when we have all the elements so hated in Britain (scum tabloids; a right-wing clientelist government; racism) right here in this country.

I did not champion the French, I did not claim to be an expert in French, English, Irish history, I didn't mention anything about historical grudges. I was casting doubt on their approach to historical enquiry and their general political knowledge of other countries. -http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1123/1224283932493.html Maybe it stems from their gcse curriculum, I don't know.

stovelid

hatful wrote: »

Maybe it stems from their gcse curriculum, I don't know.

It's instructive that you post a truncated article from an Irish newspaper trumpeting us being at 7th place as a de facto evidence about the British eduction system.

I had to go and find the survey myself. The Brits (as in England not the UK) came 13th in the same table of 36 - six places below us. Worse than us but hardly a searing indictment. It's a pity that our higher placing can't just be a source of pride instead another tedious and hardly founded Brit-bash.

Augmerson

stovelid wrote: »

It's instructive that you post a truncated article from an Irish newspaper trumpeting us being at 7th place as a de facto evidence about the British eduction system.

I had to go and find the survey myself. The Brits (as in England not the UK) came 13th in the same table of 36 - six places below us. Worse than us but hardly a searing indictment. It's a pity that our higher placing can't just be a source of pride instead another tedious and hardly founded Brit-bash.

HE'S ****ING ENGLISH GET HIM GET HIM NOW!

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PeterIanStaker

brummytom wrote: »

Dear Deirdre's always good for a laugh too

" . . Laura has a quick fantasy" - thought bubble comes out of her head.

PeterIanStaker

K-9 wrote: »

Sure we gave out about giving Greece money as part of their bail out.

Does that mean large parts of Ireland don't like the Greeks?

I'm sure our esteemed politicos and hacks will play the race card soon enough. :rolleyes: Sad.

aDeener

stovelid wrote: »

It's instructive that you post a truncated article from an Irish newspaper trumpeting us being at 7th place as a de facto evidence about the British eduction system.

I had to go and find the survey myself. The Brits (as in England not the UK) came 13th in the same table of 36 - six places below us. Worse than us but hardly a searing indictment. It's a pity that our higher placing can't just be a source of pride instead another tedious and hardly founded Brit-bash.

that's a bit of an exaggeration, where was his brit "bashing"?

wonton

just to lighten the mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmuRKA7gqNE

SharpshooterTom

It's not just Irish people they are restricted to hating. Check out the comments this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1116085/JOHN-MACLEOD-The-ugly-truth-Scots-shameful-anti-English-bigotry.html#comments

Lmao. Quite shocking really.

Fratton Fred

WesternZulu wrote: »

I'd say that a lot of people in the UK were like wtf the last couple of days, "Is Oirland not part of the UK, has the euro AND has its own Government!"

Thank you Fainna Fail for opening up the eyes of them damn British and making them realise Ireland is/was a free and independent nation :rolleyes:

The Irish treat the UK as if it is their second home. Turn on the TV and Graham Norton or Dara O'Briain are staring back at you. Go to a Premiership game and the home team's Irish supporters club will turn up, go to any major town or city in the UK and there will be an Irish pub, flying the Tri-Colour and only showing Ireland's rugby games.

Irish rugby and football shirts are common sight in London, as are Leinster and Munster jerseys and there is even an Irishman at the head of British Airways.

Is it any surprise the Irish are not considered to be Foreigners?

George83

I'd agree that the English know very little of their history with Ireland. I studied Irish history at GCSE level but it was incredibly basic & the English were painted in a very (false) positive light. When myself & another Irish classmate of mine questioned anything we were pretty much ignored ... explains a lot I think.

SharpshooterTom

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Is it any surprise the Irish are not considered to be Foreigners?

They are when it suits them (the British). Re: the bailout.

senordingdong

George83 wrote: »

I'd agree that the English know very little of their history with Ireland. I studied Irish history at GCSE level but it was incredibly basic & the English were painted in a very (false) positive light. When myself & another Irish classmate of mine questioned anything we were pretty much ignored ... explains a lot I think.

By the same reason, Irish history books can be very biased.

Minstrel27

I am shocked and appalled that so many narrow minded morons read the Daily Mail. When did this happen?

George83

senordingdong wrote: »

By the same reason, Irish history books can be very biased.

Indeed, but surely an academic discussion on a subject needs to include both view points.

stovelid

Norwayviking wrote: »

Well look at it on the bright side people.
I am from Norway,i love the Irish,and will always do.
Lived here for 12 years now,and have ALWAYS been met by open minded Irish people,who couldnt do enough for you.:D
The celtic tiger will growl again,i know.;)
Not your fault that useless politicians run the country.:mad:

We don't want your sympathy. Give us your oil.

stovelid

aDeener wrote: »

that's a bit of an exaggeration, where was his brit "bashing"?

If you think spouting an abridged newspaper account of a study that places us 6 places above England is a not a partisan summation of the English, that fine.

I was born in England to Irish parents but have lived here most of my life and consider myself to be Irish but I find the general antipathy towards England baffling. A lot of English people know little about Ireland but are fairly benign about us as a country, despite the fact that most actually lived through the indiscriminate IRA bombing campaigns of the 70s, 80s and 90s; a lot of Irish people have a specious dislike of English people based on historical grievances from many hundreds of years before they were born. Both countries have a majority of bigots which is to be expected. I can accept that Republicans have a case for antipathy towards recent British administrations and the army (as I do) but many of them know far less about the North than they think they do and also use this a platform to make all kinds of bizarre generalizations about English people and other aspects of English life.

By the same token advocated here, every Irish person is responsible for the actions of the Irish government and the asinine actions of our government (that comprises politicians that I and many others have never voted for) should be an excuse for other counties to make know-nothing generalizations about this country.

Sunnyisland

stovelid wrote: »

We don't want your sympathy. Give us your oil.

Sunnyisland

wonton wrote: »

just to lighten the mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmuRKA7gqNE

deadly

getz

i think for most in this country,its that ireland is a foreign country,but the irish not foreign?,

getz

in britain a irish citizen has the same rights as a british citizen he can vote and also stand as a member of parliament,no citizen from any other country can do that,so they are treated the same as any british citizen ,

who the fug

getz wrote: »

in britain a irish citizen has the same rights as a british citizen he can vote and also stand as a member of parliament,no citizen from any other country can do that,so they are treated the same as any british citizen ,

And in the fifties they had to do National Service, which some of the old boys said it was very nice of the government to remind them to go home and see their mother for a while

getz

who the fug wrote: »

And in the fifties they had to do National Service, which some of the old boys said it was very nice of the government to remind them to go home and see their mother for a while

you cannot expect to be treated the same as the other people in any country,and not except the bad as well as the good,or did they think they should have been treated better than the UKs own citizens ?

SharpshooterTom

getz wrote: »

in britain a irish citizen has the same rights as a british citizen he can vote and also stand as a member of parliament,no citizen from any other country can do that,so they are treated the same as any british citizen ,

And does that work for immigration too?

Because I was reading the Cameron prepares for Irish influx article in the mail and there was lot of screaming and yelling about "well if we pulled out of the EU" etc but a lot DM readers don't seem to know there's a common travel agreement between the two or am I wrong on that?

who the fug

getz wrote: »

you cannot expect to be treated the same as the other people in any country,and not except the bad as well as the good,or did they think they should have been treated better than the UKs own citizens ?

No they didn't, think they treated it the same as the British public did, some ducked and went home, some did it, other went in and loved it so much they spent 30 years in.

One old guy told me that his English landlady sent word to him at work that they called to the house, so he collected his wages and went straight home at the end of his shift and came back a couple of weeks later, land lady kept the room for him

getz

Gnobe wrote: »

And does that work for immigration too?

Because I was reading the Cameron prepares for Irish influx article in the mail and there was lot of screaming and yelling about "well if we pulled out of the EU" etc but a lot DM readers don't seem to know there's a common travel agreement between the two or am I wrong?

your not wrong,there was a time [when ireland pulled out of the commonwealth]when the UK considered treating irish citizens the same as other foreign citizens.but i would take what the mail says with a pinch of salt, its majority owners are australian who have no love for the EU,the mail is always anti EU,the other major news medias who have a EU agenda is sky,and the sun newspaper,both owned by austraian born US citizen rupert murdoch,can you spot the plot ?

SharpshooterTom

I'm sure some of those right-wing xenophobic expats who live in Spain will probably be begging Britain to bail them out when they go under. The hypocrisy of it all like.